MegaManiac

It goes even further than technology being the defining factor in determining intelligence. It's a species or organisms ability to evolve, harness it's resources, and affect or manipulate the world around it. Most importantly achieving a pre-determined or desired result. Ultimately, surviving for as long as possible. That's the true measure on intelligence! Argument settled! what more could there be than that. Achems Razor. MNM

First of all, how could anyone refute eveolution. Let alone CD himself. Making things better is the natural course of everything. You can't stop it. Doesn't all math lead to a what I'll say is a peak average or common denominator? And keep in mind I don't know shiz about Math. :naughty: MNM

My question still stands. You provided me with GOOD definition, but does anyone believe in reincarnation outside the definition of rebirth as an organism. Or does the universe naturally recycle our energy, like it does our bodies? :naughty: MNM

The way I see it is the term reincarnation is open to interpretation. We have our classic definition of reincarnation; the process of “being born again” as another living organism. What if our energy coalesses into another object of mass when we die? Is this a form of reincarnation? E=MC2 baby. Are there other forms of reincarnation so to speak? MNM

In varied degrees of course. depends on how well the machine has been oiled. Where does rational thought end though? And what constitutes the end of rational thought in a person. Irrational behaviors or just overall being a dumbazzz. MNM

Not gonna happen until the goverment can find a ways to tax it. :naughty:. Kidding. But seriously, today it's stem cell research and tomorrow we're dying of over population, starvation, thermal global nuclear meltdown, etc. If you ask me we need to find a way of trimming some fat Get the wrong people off the bus, get the right people on and then figure out where we're gonna drive the bus. MNM

See now this is good stuff for me!!! But for arguments sake, let's take the term soul out of it completely. And let me approach this from a more simple angle, even if it is only for my benefit. 1. All the energy in your body right at the moment of death. Where does that energy get transferred? 2. Do we accept that that energy has mass? 3. If we accept energy has mass, then that energy continues on. Is my basis for thought completely off here. 4. Why do I care? (I don't know, I just do. Lot like love) by the way I appreciate you taking your valuable time to acknowledge my abstract notions. It takes a village to raise and idiot. ;) I'm kinda in my wax on wax off stage :hihi: :lol: But my abstract and against the grain thinking have served me well. So fogive me as I sharpen the saw. Pretty soon I'll CRANE KICKING your azz all over hyperbia :wave: :naughty: :wave: ______MNM______ :doh:

BS! For example: we've never detected or seen a white hole but isn't it somewhat accepted that they exist provided they are the end of a worm hole. Plus, if you don't hear a smell free fart. It still exists, we just didn't detect it from the person who squeezed it out. I don't accept the general thinking that if we can't detect something it doesn't exist. We just havent figured out how to detect, or measure it if you will. MNM

REASON - your labeling it as soul energy. I'm not! So you better answer your own question here my friend. I'm just stating a fact that energy has mass. That mass can't be created or destroyed. Only transformed or transferred. So what the hell happens to all the energy that kept us alive when we are dead. Perhaps the energy turns into gas? :naughty: An ideal gas is defined as one in which all collisions between atoms or molecules are perfectly eleastic and in which there are no intermolecular attractive forces. One can visualize it as a collection of perfectly hard spheres which collide but which otherwise do not interact with each other. In such a gas, all the internal energy is in the form of kinetic energy and any change in internal energy is accompanied by a change in temperature. Internal energy involves energy on the microscopic scale. For an ideal monatomic gas, this is just the translational kinetic energy of the linear motion of the "hard sphere" type atoms, and the behavior of the system is well described by kinetic theory. However, for polyatomic gases there is rotational and vibrational kinetic energy as well. Then in liquids and solids there is potential energy associated with the intermolecular attractive forces. A simplified visualization of the contributions to internal energy can be helpful in understanding phase transitions and other phenomena which involve internal energy. MNM

I'm speaking of all energy present in the body at the time of death. Temperature, kinetic, microscopic, etc. THE ESSENCE OF US is ALL of those energies combined. And we as humans want to label them. So if you wanna call it soul energy go ahead. I'll call it aggrigate energy that people like to label as the soul becuase they possess spirit. And we can't imagine that spirit no being one forever and intact. I say that energy is absorbed by one or more bodies of mass. Microscopic or otherwise. I AM NOT WILLING TO ACCEPT THAT EVEN MICROSCOPIC ENERGY DOESN'T HAVE MASS. WE JUST CAN'T MEASURE IT RIGHT NOW. And until someone can convince me otherwise, I stand by the reasoning that there is much to be considered on this topic. I believe it to have some substance. MNM

This is not :naughty: philosophical and hardly theological :doh: ! Wouldn't it really be quantum mechanics. Where do those energy molecules go? How are they transformmed or transferred The following is borrowed from (Vivio Calendar) .hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/thermo/inteng.html Internal energy is defined as the energy associated with the random, disordered motion of molecules. It is separated in scale from the macroscopic ordered energy associated with moving objects; it refers to the invisible microscopic energy on the atomic and molecular scale. For example, a room temperature glass of water sitting on a table has no apparent energy, either potential or kinetic. But on the microscopic scale it is a seething mass of high speed molecules traveling at hundreds of meters per second. If the water were tossed across the room, this microscopic energy would not necessarily be changed when we superimpose an ordered large scale motion on the water as a whole. WHAT HAPPENS TO ALL THE ENERGY (TEMPERATURE, KINETIC & OTHERWISE)!!!!!!!! Mass is just a super concentrated form of energy! HERE'S A THEORY: We cyclically become one with the universe momentarily or longer . . . Until we coaless with an object of mass. Again, working under the assumption that all energy has mass has energy has mass has energy, etc etc etc. :wave: ______MNM______

:shrug: Don't we basically have to operate under the assumption that the mass exists becuase the energy exists? Therefore, we must accept that we just haven't figured out how to quantify that mass . MNM

Doesn't E=MC2 have any bearing on this topic? Matter and energy are really different forms of the same thing. Matter can be turned into energy, and energy into matter. Energy can not be created or destroyed. Just transformed/transferred. Are we just chemical based power plants. So when we die we just shut down like an old power plant. MNM

Interesting way to put it Infinite and I guess your somewhat right. But I guess I'm looking for someone to post their thoughts and theories. Like I said, I just feel there has got to be some truth. I have no hard facts or data to base this on. Just a feeling like it makes sense. :hyper: ______MNM______

:hyper: I know I'm new here Freeztar, but I promise to at least cover the basics when posting a question/thread. I'm not NEARLY as smart (<- loosely used) as 95% of the members here. But I will aways do my basic homework before looking to others for answers. For what I lack in technical aptitude, I make up for in joules. You'll never see me talking about formulas and calculations, unless I have to. How can I explain me better . . . ( I love to explain me, lol :shrug:) Freeztar, lets say you're the guy that works out the physics behind an action. I'm they guy that can walk up and apply the physics without ever having to work out the formulas. A bank shot in basketball is a great way to illustrate my point. You would work out the entire shot in physical math or whatever. I walk up and look at the shot, be the shot and make the shot (in 1 shot). All the while everyone else is mapping out the shot on paper and checking their calcs, I am already celebrating with the cheerleading squad in the shower room :hyper:. To be honest, I thought I was pretty smart OR smarter than the average bear, but you guys blow me away around here with your math and science :smart:. Thanks for the URL. Wiki is actually the first place where I had originally gotten my info and read up on MacDougall's experiments & basic theory. Wiki is generally one of my first stops when I'm looking for answers. I just can't help but to think there has got to be something to this theory. Just incase my point(s) got lost among my palabar, I'm looking to hear what has not already been written on sites like wiki and thought I'd at least get the benefit-of-the-doubt that I already know the basics. And I'll always try to know the basics before looking to our members for answers. Thanks for your post!!! Can u tell I'm giving u a hard time here. I'm trying to be subtle about it ;). :wave: ______MNM______