Enariel

Again, I'm pointing out that there is Self aware conscious mind, and that with out conscious mind you can not simply create complex form based on "randomness" or coincidence or "conditions are good and planet born" every thing balanced and it request intellectual being to create such complex universe and set up laws to up hold such structure and life - of such Being scientist simply ignorant but that cant explain who then and what for created all of it. For every thing has a purpose. Well Believe means "you never taste an apple but you believe that it taste like apple" believe is not my path but observation is the way I ponder through and making logical conclusion with out taking any side - religious or scientific. and it is quite logical to looking at many things and see that there is some thing science simply not willing to acknowledge at all or just take at list as a consideration for start.

Okay if you put it this way - I'll rephrase myself - Lets Creative force be = creative law now. It will not? But if it will not why dose it moves? Isn't it not because of law? And who had defined such law? Who or what have preset this law to work that way that snow ball will move if wind will blow or we push it down from hill? I actually did not say that they placed randomly :) for I'm point out to self aware mind to create them.

So mostly you hear three points of view or opinions about "God" 1 - Science or Materialist - God dose not exist because - no one ever seen god or have proven god dose exist 2 - Religious people - god exist! Tho most of them fail to explain why and how they know it or how they have proven to them self of God's existence 3 - and the ones who don't give any damn about both above and thinking its all crap any way It simply depends what People consider under word God - if old man in heaven then surely this is completely silly. But What if by God actually means Self aware Being who creates, yet - this consciousness awareness that people calling God - is not a form - its formless and thus you can not define god based on form on any image you can Imagen - it simply beyond form. So you can not actual see god as some kind of specific define form. To prove it scientifically and not going beyond the mental box would be same silliness as to say that god is old man with beard. Now if we take in consideration that God is self aware Conscious, formless. How do we simply by just paying careful attention and ponder a bit about facts and logic would prove from scientific view point that God, supreme mind, or force or what ever you like to call this, that is actually exist? Lets take a look into Universe! Look at all thous stars, complex galaxies, complex life on planet earth and pay attention how Delicately and carefully the laws are balanced. How could possibility earth and life and such complex galaxies been created by unconscious force on its on? Why its impossible? Well Self aware consciousness Directs its creativity to form up a specific forms - for example you making a snow ball - would snow ball possibly be exist if you ,as self aware Consciousness being would not create such a form as snow ball? With out your interference snow will simply what? Will stay still. Is this logical enough to see that unconsciousness force can not create? So then we see Planets that are created such a way that they are not destroying each other but look - they are Perfectly balanced and placed on orbits! So then - who have defined such a law of balance and placed planets on their orbits if not a Self Aware Conscious Being? You still hesitating about such Mind to exist? Well as scientist I would do an experiment. For example we have an empty room and I through out to the floor a few different balls what will happened? You perfectly know what - they will go into all different directions - I was the first cause of thous balls to go to different directions before me they were just standing still - nothing happened. And now I take same balls and do what? I will create a Star System and place Sun into center that will hold on planets and put planets that way that they would not destroy each other - Again Self aware consciousness creates. It answers two questions: what do I defined by God and how do I prove its existence. Dare to challenge if you wish. :)