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#1 alright1234

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Posted 18 March 2019 - 02:31 PM

In particle physics, Fermilab (1967) used a radio frequency (RF) cavity and magnets to accelerate protons that make over 1,000 passes through a 6 km circumference beam pipe and RF cavity. The accelerated proton beam collides with a beryllium target forming subatomic particles that propagate through the steel enclosure of the 15 ft  bubble chamber to produce varying size spiral liquid hydrogen bubble tracks that are used to determine the masses of the subatomic particles. Originally, the existence of a proton is justified using an alcohol track formed within a Wilson (1911) cloud chamber yet alcohol molecules of the cloud chamber have a mass 50 times larger than the mass of a proton. A single proton propagating within the cloud chamber is interacting with over 2,000 alcohol molecules that have a mass 50 times larger than a proton to form the cloud chamber alcohol track yet a proton that originates from a hydrogen atom's nucleus is extremely unstable. A single unstable nuclear proton is colliding with numerous alcohol molecules of the cloud chamber which contests the Wilson cloud chamber proton experiment. The formation of the protons that composed the Fermilab proton beam is produced by the splitting of the hydrogen atoms' nuclei in the interaction of a radioactive isotope with hydrogen gas molecules which would require a thermonuclear explosion to form the high concentration of protons of the proton beam used by Femilab particle accelerator, and, the propagation of positive charged protons through the 6 km beam pipe would require a cathode in front of the protons yet the protons are propagating through the beam pipe without a cathode in front the the proton beam. The cyclotron is used to justify the existence of a proton beam but the Lawrence cyclotron's proton beam is a blue light beam. 

 

Can some body of thing AI explain what is going on in applied physics?


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Posted 19 March 2019 - 12:54 AM

Ionic Hydrogen is not unstable, it's reactive. Totally different meanings.

You don't need an explosion to make Hydrogen what makes you think you need to??? Hydrogen 2 is rare stuff; 1 atom in every thousand or so rare.

Ionic Hydrogen 1 and 2 accelerate at different speeds in EMF. Like most isotopes that's a fairly simple way to split them.

It does not need a plate in front to accelerate towards? https://en.wikipedia...rule_for_motors Learn to EMF

 



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Posted 19 March 2019 - 02:01 AM

In particle physics, Fermilab (1967) used a radio frequency (RF) cavity and magnets to accelerate protons that make over 1,000 passes through a 6 km circumference beam pipe and RF cavity. The accelerated proton beam collides with a beryllium target forming subatomic particles that propagate through the steel enclosure of the 15 ft  bubble chamber to produce varying size spiral liquid hydrogen bubble tracks that are used to determine the masses of the subatomic particles. Originally, the existence of a proton is justified using an alcohol track formed within a Wilson (1911) cloud chamber yet alcohol molecules of the cloud chamber have a mass 50 times larger than the mass of a proton. A single proton propagating within the cloud chamber is interacting with over 2,000 alcohol molecules that have a mass 50 times larger than a proton to form the cloud chamber alcohol track yet a proton that originates from a hydrogen atom's nucleus is extremely unstable. A single unstable nuclear proton is colliding with numerous alcohol molecules of the cloud chamber which contests the Wilson cloud chamber proton experiment. The formation of the protons that composed the Fermilab proton beam is produced by the splitting of the hydrogen atoms' nuclei in the interaction of a radioactive isotope with hydrogen gas molecules which would require a thermonuclear explosion to form the high concentration of protons of the proton beam used by Femilab particle accelerator, and, the propagation of positive charged protons through the 6 km beam pipe would require a cathode in front of the protons yet the protons are propagating through the beam pipe without a cathode in front the the proton beam. The cyclotron is used to justify the existence of a proton beam but the Lawrence cyclotron's proton beam is a blue light beam. 

 

Can some body of thing AI explain what is going on in applied physics?

 

Actually Protons are quite stable with a Half life of 1032  Years and a Hydrogen Atom's Nucleus is also quite Stable and As GAHD said the EMF or Electromagnetic Field is what is pushing the protons which do indeed accelerator at varing rates based on their Mass as the Charge of isotopes are not different but rather the mass thus the heavier atoms accelerate more slowly, So I am uncertain to what your problem is with modern physics protons are commonly known to exist via hundreds of different experiments like neutrons which are much more unstable.


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Posted 19 March 2019 - 02:24 PM

VictorMedvil where do protons originate?
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Posted 19 March 2019 - 02:36 PM

Ahh now that is a neat question. QGP would in theory be an originator of protons, though β neutron decay is another method of "origin."

They are, WHY they are is a big scary mystery. (Assuming that's where you're going with the line of questions) Frank Wilczek has some neat work on that, particularly the view of reality being a "space-time crystal" (horrible name but the best way to use english to describe it simply).

 



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Posted 19 March 2019 - 03:07 PM

Nuclei?



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Posted 19 March 2019 - 03:13 PM

Nuclei?

You're going to need to be more lucid there, mate. If you want to be spoon fed a PHD it takes a lot of effort, and I'm far more likely to just point you in a direction and expect you to do the legwork on your own...



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Posted 19 March 2019 - 03:20 PM

CERN------>  European Organization for Nuclear Research----------key word is "nuclear"



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Posted 19 March 2019 - 03:27 PM

CERN------> [/size] European Organization for Nuclear Research----------key word is "nuclear"[/size]

lu·cid
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expressed clearly; easy to understand.
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synonyms: intelligible, comprehensible, understandable, cogent, coherent, communicative, articulate

Your points are not linking together. Be better, or be forever incomprehensible. How does #8 link to #6 (#4#1) in your mind? Be lucid.



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Posted 19 March 2019 - 03:33 PM

The question is where do protons and subatomic particles originate?-----------Nuclei  .       Is that clear?



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Posted 19 March 2019 - 03:39 PM

The question is where do protons and subatomic particles originate?-----------Nuclei  .       Is that clear?

At Cern they ionise hydrogen: https://www.lhc-clos...0.proton_source

 

The nucleus of a hydrogen atom is a single proton, so if you ionise hydrogen you strip off the electron, and you have a proton. 



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Posted 19 March 2019 - 03:46 PM

A Hydrogen atom is diatomic. Wouldn't  additionally striping off an electron make a proton extremely unstable. Can a proton beam really exist much less be manipulated to propagate along a 27 km circumference beam pipe? And what would about the RF cavity?



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Posted 19 March 2019 - 04:04 PM

A Hydrogen atom is diatomic. Wouldn't  additionally striping off an electron make a proton extremely unstable. Can a proton beam really exist much less be manipulated to propagate along a 27 km circumference beam pipe? And what would about the RF cavity?

"Diatomic" means two atoms. (Durrh.) It is a hydrogen molecule that is diatomic.

 

And no, a proton is just a +ve ion (the simplest). There are lots of +ve ions one can make.

 

+ve ions do tend to pick up electrons and thus turn back into atoms, of course, but that's why the space inside the beam pipe is a vacuum, with magnets to keep the beam of +ve ions away from the walls.   



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Posted 19 March 2019 - 04:29 PM

Ahh now that is a neat question. QGP would in theory be an originator of protons, though β neutron decay is another method of "origin."

They are, WHY they are is a big scary mystery. (Assuming that's where you're going with the line of questions) Frank Wilczek has some neat work on that, particularly the view of reality being a "space-time crystal" (horrible name but the best way to use english to describe it simply).

 

 

This is Correct!

 

The question is where do protons and subatomic particles originate?-----------Nuclei  .       Is that clear?

 

Yes, GAHD is correct in this basically the protons originate from neutrons most likely then decay to protons via Beta Minus decay neutrons originator from  the Big Bang when the Quark Gluon Plasma cooled down and Quarks are a emergent property of Energy to Mass conversion, the Quarks just popped into existence from slowly moving(Lower Temperature) Quark Gluon Plasma making their triplet and thus Subatomic Particles such as Neutrons then Electrons and Protons after Beta Minus decay. The First Hydrogen atom could have actually been created directly via Beta Minus decay of neutrons possibly in a large Neutron Star which is now a Supermassive Blackhole.


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Posted 19 March 2019 - 04:49 PM

How do you exp. justify the existence of a proton?



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Posted 19 March 2019 - 05:45 PM

How do you exp. justify the existence of a proton?

 

What do you mean justify the existence of, it is a set of a Up,Up, and Down quark suspended in the Strong Nuclear Force I don't know exactly what you mean that is justification enough.



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Posted 20 March 2019 - 02:55 AM

How do you exp. justify the existence of a proton?

Read this and then we can talk: https://en.wikipedia...foil_experiment