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#18 montgomery

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 04:21 PM

Save it for your fellow-traveling commie comrades, eh?  They'll agree with you.

Hitler's initial success with the German people was due to his resorting to antisocial behaviour in relations with the rest of the world. It was a recipe for quick success but it inevitably failed because the rest of the world found his ways intolerable. A clever person like you should be able to recognize that Trump's methods are just the same.

 

The American people will come to the realization that China is soon to take over the role of the leading world power. Cooperation with China is the only answer for America but Trump won't allow that to start happening before it's too late. That's why I say, 4 more years.

 

Russia also says 4 more years and China must be saying the same secretly, but Americans can't be expected to understand why America's real enemies want to see Trump's second term! 

 

You foolish people. You foolish angry little man! 



#19 GAHD

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Posted 18 March 2019 - 03:39 AM

I think monty, like any ideologue socialist, fails to understand how Stalin an Mao have great parallels to the ideology being espoused.

Irony: all the material tariffs and attempts to forcefully push though infrastructure upgrades are to MAGA and compete with the human grinder that is modern China. It's been said very openly, and any economist worth their salt points out why it's needed. Everything monty says is going to be a downfall is a step to prevent exactly that. Suppose ignorance like that is to be expected though; opinion-editorial as info, and mindsets that take that as fact, is not a recipe for understanding things more complex than cafeteria politics. :sherlock:



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Posted 18 March 2019 - 10:05 AM

I think monty, like any ideologue socialist, fails to understand how Stalin an Mao have great parallels to the ideology being espoused.

Irony: all the material tariffs and attempts to forcefully push though infrastructure upgrades are to MAGA and compete with the human grinder that is modern China. It's been said very openly, and any economist worth their salt points out why it's needed. Everything monty says is going to be a downfall is a step to prevent exactly that. Suppose ignorance like that is to be expected though; opinion-editorial as info, and mindsets that take that as fact, is not a recipe for understanding things more complex than cafeteria politics. :sherlock:

 

I'm o.k. with the term socialist but: You still don't understand me even though I have repeatedly told you that I, and we Canadians aren't socialists. We're capitalists who promote social responsibility in government. Please!

 

If Trump wasn't resorting to foul play to MAGA then I would call him a socially responsible capitalist too. But unfortunately, and obviously Trump is trying to save the US's sorry a-s with foul play and dirty tricks that are going to bring his country down instead of hold the US's position of power in the world.

 

And now, after having said that, you can go back to some of the details I provided on how Trump is alienating his allies as well as those who are considered the  US's enemies. 

 

Do you have any understanding of world politics at all? Do you understand how Russia is playing Trump? Likely because Russia/Putin has some goods on Trump that Trump doesn't want revealed. The Steele documents are a great example.

 

The irony of it all is Gahd, both of us want to see Trump continue now. He's making it easier for both China and Russia to increase their power as the US power diminishes. 

 

Ask me about the details some time. I have a lot more than I gave you a few posts back.


Edited by montgomery, 18 March 2019 - 10:11 AM.


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Posted 18 March 2019 - 10:10 AM

Gahd, I should make it clear that my hate for the US is all about it's foreign policy. You know as well as I that the US has run roughshod over 40 small countries with it's wars of aggression since WW2 alone. And it's not stopping even now because Venezuela and Iran are on it's list. Surely Shirley, this is reason enough for any reasonably informed Canadian to side against the US. Are you even reasonably informed? Could a reasonbly intelligent lad like you not be aware of the US motive for wanting to go to war with Venezuela?

 

What has humanity come to?



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Posted 19 March 2019 - 12:40 AM

Gahd, I should make it clear that my hate for the US is all about it's foreign policy. You know as well as I that the US has run roughshod over 40 small countries with it's wars of aggression since WW2 alone. And it's not stopping even now because Venezuela and Iran are on it's list. Surely Shirley, this is reason enough for any reasonably informed Canadian to side against the US. Are you even reasonably informed? Could a reasonbly{sic} intelligent lad like you not be aware of the US motive for wanting to go to war with Venezuela?

 

What has humanity come to?

The irony that you're misdirecting that hatred onto the president who has scaled back their war complex is darkly hilarious. You really need to read the wiki on what a fact is again (and again and again) until you can separate illusory truth from bias.



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Posted 19 March 2019 - 01:08 AM

I'm o.k. with the term socialist but: You still don't understand me even though I have repeatedly told you that I, and we Canadians aren't socialists. We're capitalists who promote social responsibility in government. Please!

 

If Trump wasn't resorting to foul play to MAGA then I would call him a socially responsible capitalist too. But unfortunately, and obviously Trump is trying to save the US's sorry a-s with foul play and dirty tricks that are going to bring his country down instead of hold the US's position of power in the world.

 

And now, after having said that, you can go back to some of the details I provided on how Trump is alienating his allies as well as those who are considered the  US's enemies. 

 

Do you have any understanding of world politics at all? Do you understand how Russia is playing Trump? Likely because Russia/Putin has some goods on Trump that Trump doesn't want revealed. The Steele documents are a great example.

 

The irony of it all is Gahd, both of us want to see Trump continue now. He's making it easier for both China and Russia to increase their power as the US power diminishes. 

 

Ask me about the details some time. I have a lot more than I gave you a few posts back.

 

Frankly, I support Trump in what he is doing he is trying to protect the United States and West from the influences of other nations that may seek to destroy or harm these people with Advancements in Nuclear Weaponry along with military equipment. In the Civilian Sector he is attempting to stop illegal immigration with his wall and promote Nuclear Power around the World as a Green solution and Coal/Natural Gas that has profitable outcomes. Personally, I like my Country's current president as he seem to do as he says unlike many other politicians in the United States, furthermore he finished the ISIS war and made a Deal with Russia,Syria, and Iran for peaceful control of Syria. He is not only a friend to his own people but NATO and even Russia/China. He has even the respect of North Korea dealing with them in a positive light and regulating their nuclear program. Another good thing about Trump is he has stopped the trade deficit if you don't know what I am talking about then you don't live in the United States but basically everything is made in China and all our jobs are going out of the country because of lack of proper tariffs on other countries for imports, Trump has redefined trade to stop that. He has put up a better defense of the "NATO" Powers than Obama from Economic,Military, and Social Influences for all the things said bad about Trump he is turning out to be a great president to the United States not rivaled since Reagan, He can see things in the proper way and solve the problem frankly I like a President like that. If all we have to do is let Trump build his 5 or 6 billion dollar wall to continue to have him as President I would be happy to help him see that wall built, that is a cheap price to pay for a good president that will fix this country over 4 to 8 years while making the United States Trillions of dollars. Trump had me sold as a scientist at Antimatter Tactical Bombs and Mini Tactical Nuclear Missiles, Link = https://www.theguard...production-line

 

 

Ever since 2017 I loved whatever Trump is doing, who can say no to Antimatter bombs.

 


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Posted 19 March 2019 - 01:36 AM

 You really need to read the wiki on what a fact is again (and again and again) until you can separate illusory truth from bias.

 

Like, until hell freezes over, maybe?



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Posted 20 March 2019 - 10:22 AM

The irony that you're misdirecting that hatred onto the president who has scaled back their war complex is darkly hilarious. You really need to read the wiki on what a fact is again (and again and again) until you can separate illusory truth from bias.

Trump is certainly aware that he needs to promote the illusion you're speaking of, but in fact he's not. I visit antiwar.com every day to find the proof in what I say. But I'm content to lay the blame on their (your) government or your president, whatever way you and Moronium prefer it. 

 

I see it as the equivalent of Hitler claiming innocence by blaming his government. 

 

Can you at least substantiate any of your claims that Trump has done anything to scale back the war complex? I can give you lots of evidence that it continues to escalate to even more dangerous levels under Trump.

 

Should we talk about the North Korea example?

 

Visit antiwar.com and educate yourself a bit before you go off halpcocked with your baloney again. 



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Posted 20 March 2019 - 10:52 AM

Should we talk about the North Korea example?

 

 

Why talk about North Korea?  They give us any more crap and the country will cease to exist.  Just like when the "war-mongering" USA "attacked" Japan, in 1941, ya know?

 

Hello, Hiroshima.


Edited by Moronium, 20 March 2019 - 10:54 AM.


#27 montgomery

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Posted 20 March 2019 - 11:04 AM

Why talk about North Korea?  They give us any more crap and the country will cease to exist.  Just like when the "war-mongering" USA "attacked" Japan, in 1941, ya know?

 

Hello, Hiroshima.

The trouble with your tough talk is that if the US is responsible for causing N.K. to cease to exist, the US also substantially ceases to exist too. The days of the US even contemplating that sort of aggression are probably over Moronium. 

 

I say probably because there is still a question of whether or not China and Russia have Maduro's back? The US has lost Syria and Iran and there's a good possibility that it will also lose Venezuela. 

 

Do you think that the US will resort to the use of nuclear weapons in the foreseeable future? Could the US go nuclear against either Iran or N.K. and keep it to a limited and regional use of nukes? 

 

I know your tough talk is just pretend and make believe Moronium but I can't pass up the opportunity to make use of it. So do you?



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Posted 20 March 2019 - 11:07 AM

Moronium raises the question of WW2 being the US's good war or justifiable war. The issue deserves a full and honest conversation because the question is very much alive in the minds of many Americans. Especially the libertarian faction! 



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Posted 20 March 2019 - 11:11 AM

Moronium raises the question of WW2 being the US's good war or justifiable war. The issue deserves a full and honest conversation because the question is very much alive in the minds of many Americans. Especially the libertarian faction! 

 

And, no doubt, your commie-azz view is that the US was totally unjustified in retaliating against Japan.  Make your case for that, if you think you have one.

 

I have a feeling that you would never accuse Stalin of the same when Russia defended itself against Hitler's attack, though, eh?


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Posted 20 March 2019 - 11:18 AM

Do you think that the US will resort to the use of nuclear weapons in the foreseeable future? Could the US go nuclear against either Iran or N.K. and keep it to a limited and regional use of nukes? 

 

 

If we were forced to nuke (or anti-matter) N.K off the map, Russia and China would just learn to like it.  They have no other choice. Oh, sure, they would condemn it for a few weeks.  So what?


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Posted 20 March 2019 - 11:27 AM

If we were forced to nuke (or anti-matter) N.K off the map, Russia and China would just learn to like it.  They have no other choice. Oh, sure, they would condemn it for a few weeks.  So what?

You're ignoring the fact that the US has been held at bay for 75 years. Vietnam was lost to the US because of it's fear of MAD. I would suggest that so is Iran and so was Cuba lost. 

 

But I'm always anxious to consider your argument on why the US might resort to a regional war with the limited use of nuclear weapons. However, to be realistic you would have to argue on a different country than N.K. 

 

There could be a reasonable argument presented on how the US could contemplate the use of limited nuclear war against Iran. But keeping in mind that it would very much endanger the apatheid regime. Nulcear or conventional in the case of Iran's response.



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Posted 20 March 2019 - 04:19 PM

Trump is certainly aware that he needs to promote the illusion you're speaking of, but in fact he's not. I visit antiwar.com every day to find the proof in what I say. But I'm content to lay the blame on their (your) government or your president, whatever way you and Moronium prefer it. 

 

I see it as the equivalent of Hitler claiming innocence by blaming his government. 

 

Can you at least substantiate any of your claims that Trump has done anything to scale back the war complex? I can give you lots of evidence that it continues to escalate to even more dangerous levels under Trump.

 

Should we talk about the North Korea example?

 

Visit antiwar.com and educate yourself a bit before you go off halpcocked with your baloney again. 

MM you do fail to retain information: It's not my government, I'm Canadian. We've had this talk before; you don't care about facts do you?

 

I am honestly considering finding a southern belle to woo and bride if the libtards or cuntservatives screw up our laws much more, though! Maybe the USA will actually be "my" government in the future. 'Till then, kindly keep your personal attacks valid. Read it again, and again, and again. Because you fail to get it it, demonstrably, and constantly. If some of the other mods and admins we used to have were still active (irony; from Norway, Sweden, and a hardcore Democrat from the south) they wouldn't be so patient with your lies and libel and have probably banned you off long ago. Luckily for you I have a policy of recusal when there's a conflict of interest.

 

Checked the little media outlet you asked me to. Not convinced. Maybe if you expanded your sphere of information beyond a single source? You seem to be making the same mistake zelots often do: "One book is all I need."

substantiate: How many new countries have been attacked since the cheeto got into office? How many new countries were bombed under Obama? How many new under Bush? How many new under Clinton?
AFAICT Trump is trying to finish what the 3 before him started. Ruthlessly finish it, but finish it none the less. He's unfettered the militaries to get the existing bloody work over with, but he's most def going out of his way to avoid expansion of conflict. If you're fighting with someone you don't do them a thousand light wounds, you END IT so that you can move on.



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Posted 20 March 2019 - 05:56 PM

And, no doubt, your commie-azz view is that the US was totally unjustified in retaliating against Japan.  Make your case for that, if you think you have one.

 

I have a feeling that you would never accuse Stalin of the same when Russia defended itself against Hitler's attack, though, eh?

If we were to have an in-depth discussion on the US's legitimacy in going to war with Japan, we would have to take a close look at what the US was doing to harm Japan before the Pearl Harbour incident.

 

Ask me if you are interested in learning.



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Posted 20 March 2019 - 05:59 PM

MM you do fail to retain information: It's not my government, I'm Canadian. We've had this talk before; you don't care about facts do you?

 

I am honestly considering finding a southern belle to woo and bride if the libtards or cuntservatives screw up our laws much more, though! Maybe the USA will actually be "my" government in the future. 'Till then, kindly keep your personal attacks valid. Read it again, and again, and again. Because you fail to get it it, demonstrably, and constantly. If some of the other mods and admins we used to have were still active (irony; from Norway, Sweden, and a hardcore Democrat from the south) they wouldn't be so patient with your lies and libel and have probably banned you off long ago. Luckily for you I have a policy of recusal when there's a conflict of interest.

 

Checked the little media outlet you asked me to. Not convinced. Maybe if you expanded your sphere of information beyond a single source? You seem to be making the same mistake zelots often do: "One book is all I need."

substantiate: How many new countries have been attacked since the cheeto got into office? How many new countries were bombed under Obama? How many new under Bush? How many new under Clinton?
AFAICT Trump is trying to finish what the 3 before him started. Ruthlessly finish it, but finish it none the less. He's unfettered the militaries to get the existing bloody work over with, but he's most def going out of his way to avoid expansion of conflict. If you're fighting with someone you don't do them a thousand light wounds, you END IT so that you can move on.

I have persistent doubts about you being a Canadian. I can give you several reasons why.. 

 

Why on earth could a Canadian continue to support the US's psychopath president? What is your hurting all about Gahd?