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Law of Measurement

 

While doing scientific researching on the number line, I notice something very interesting. It occurred to me that on a number line I should be using half the marker instead of the whole marker that’s located above the number Zero (0). After all, isn’t the whole marker that is located above the number Zero (0) half negative and half positive?

 

:cup:

 

no; it is not. the map is not the territory; the mark is not the number. :cup: you have presented yet another in a string of strange claims that use math terms but distinctly lack mathematical rigor or merit. :) this thread belongs in strange claims. :turtle:

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no; it is not. the map is not the territory; the mark is not the number. :cup: you have presented yet another in a string of strange claims that use math terms but distinctly lack mathematical rigor or merit. :) this thread belongs in strange claims. :turtle:

 

 

 

Hi! Turtle :cup:

 

I never claimed that a mark is a number. But, if you strongly feel that my thread belongs in strange claims. I’ll understand.

 

 

 

 

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Hi! Turtle :cup:

 

Would you please be so kind enough as to show where I posted such a claim that the mark is a number?

 

:turtle:

 

your first post that i quoted in my first post. again; that you don't understand why this is so is exactly why your postings have no mathematical merit. pure word salad; not even wrong. :)

 

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your first post that i quoted in my first post. again; that you don't understand why this is so is exactly why your postings have no mathematical merit. pure word salad; not even wrong. :)

 

Word salad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

Not even wrong - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

 

 

Hi! Turtle :cup:

 

I’m sorry for not respond to your post #5. I’ve been waiting for the information that may help me better understand modest post #10.

 

So far the information I have gathered has been favorable. All I’m waiting for now is a response from Dr. Ronald Staszkow.

 

 

 

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Hi! Turtle :)

 

I’m sorry for not respond to your post #5. I’ve been waiting for the information that may help me better understand modest post #10.

 

So far the information I have gathered has been favorable. All I’m waiting for now is a response from Dr. Ronald Staszkow.

 

:cup:

 

Ron Staszkow Faculty Website: Faculty Profile - Ron Staszkow, Professor Emeritus, Math - Ohlone College, Fremont, Newark, East Bay Area, California

 

erhm...yeah, a community college teacher with a BA in math, yours in particular, is not going to hold any weight against what has already been presented by hypog members. your premise is flawed from the git go, we have shown it so, and no amount of delaying and word-salad tossing is going to make it any different. :cup: :turtle:

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Ron Staszkow Faculty Website: Faculty Profile - Ron Staszkow, Professor Emeritus, Math - Ohlone College, Fremont, Newark, East Bay Area, California

 

erhm...yeah, a community college teacher with a BA in math, yours in particular, is not going to hold any weight against what has already been presented by hypog members. your premise is flawed from the git go, we have shown it so, and no amount of delaying and word-salad tossing is going to make it any different. :) :P

 

 

Hi! Turtle :turtle:

 

Hmm. Here is a question for you. If someone from a prestigious institution, university or even a member of this forums that has a PhD in Mathematics were to concur with my Law of Measurement would it make any difference?

 

 

 

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Would you please be so kind enough as to show where I posted such a claim that the mark is a number?

 

Turtle was referring to the the first paragraph in your original post in this thread:

 

It occurred to me that on a number line I should be using half the marker instead of the whole marker that’s located above the number Zero (0). After all, isn’t the whole marker that is located above the number Zero (0) half negative and half positive?

 

Clearly here, you are talking quite literally about the "mark" on the ruler.

 

The reason this is meaningless from a mathematical point of view is that a ruler or number line is a physical oversimplification that must have markers that are visible for purposes of understanding and perception. But in the underlying mathematical conceptual realization of the number line, markers are infinitely thin, and as a result, there is nothing to "split into halves."

 

By trying to use the physical approximation to deal with an abstract mathematical concept, you have--either through ignorance or intention to mislead--made an argument that has no mathematical validity.

 

I hope this clarifies the issue that Turtle has been trying to describe to you.

 

I'm just trying to make a smudge on the collective unconscious, :)

Buffy

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Hi! Turtle :P

 

Hmm. Here is a question for you. If someone from a prestigious institution, university or even a member of this forums that has a PhD in Mathematics were to concur with my Law of Measurement would it make any difference?

 

:turtle:

 

not a whit. i've read it & it is... erhm... severley wanting to put it nicely. :)

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Turtle, I have given this one some thought. You are an accoplished carpenter, and I am a hobbyist on woodworking. When we use a meaure we know that the hash marks are always "on center" (or they should be). So when I am marking a point at 20 1/8" I use the center of that hash mark to find the spot. If that is the "Law of Measurement" then I guess we have been following it for years. Also, when using a ruler I do not measure from the end, but from one hash mark to another. This is a more certain distance than trying to line up from the edge. Of course some precision tools are built to measure from an edge, but the hash marks are still on center.

 

Guadalupe, are you talking about a "Rule of Measuring with a Ruler" or a "Law of Measure"?

 

Bill

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Turtle, I have given this one some thought. You are an accomplished carpenter, and I am a hobbyist on woodworking. When we use a meaure we know that the hash marks are always "on center" (or they should be). So when I am marking a point at 20 1/8" I use the center of that hash mark to find the spot. If that is the "Law of Measurement" then I guess we have been following it for years.

 

:hyper: let's just say it is a law of measurement and not the law. for example another law of measurement for woodworkers is: ~ measure twice, cut once. :cap:

 

Also, when using a ruler I do not measure from the end, but from one hash mark to another. This is a more certain distance than trying to line up from the edge.

 

the choice of using an end or edge of a ruler or tape measure is one i make depending on the specifics at the time.

 

Of course some precision tools are built to measure from an edge, but the hash marks are still on center.

 

Bill

 

notice also that such precision rules have no hash mark on the end or edge. :clue: why you ask? :lol: well this goes somewhat to galupe's misunderstanding about zero, as the end is the end and there is no more or less than the end. it's the end. zero. period. . . . . . :turtle:

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it's a purposeful possessive misspelling of your name meant to lighten the mood a wee bit. :cap: silly; aint i!? :turtle:

 

 

 

Hi! Turtle :hyper:

 

I remember a similar circumstance with Dr. Benoit Mandelbrot and his new mathematics of fractal geometry. :clue:

 

His colleagues (mathematicians) that he respected turn against him and reacted with scorn toward his fractal geometry. Saying that fractal geometry is worthless and that fractal was considered as an artifact of his stupid computing machine, it’s useless and ridiculous. :lol:

 

 

 

 

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I remember a similar circumstance with Dr. Benoit Mandelbrot and his new mathematics of fractal geometry....

So just to clarify the strategy you're using here: You believe that you can obviate the need to address any objections to your proposed theory by drawing comparisons between yourself and Benoit Mandelbrot.

 

I would like to say that I believe that this strategy may prove ineffective in supporting acceptance of your proposed theory.

 

It should be noted that unlike you, Benoit Mandelbrot actually provided answers to the objections posed by his peers, and indeed over time they came to accept his work.

 

At this rate, I do not see a parallel to your own path.

 

Pardon, sir; error: he is not quantity enough for that Worthy's thumb: he is not so big as the end of his club, :turtle:

Buffy

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