so am i right in assuming your attempting to start a religion for people who dont beleive in god but do beleive in themselves and the world we are in? That right is right for rights sake, not because someone tells us? Just, it occurs to me that such a religion could never exist in a true state as the majority of people attracted would still be looking for a 'religion' to set defining principles in their life. I.e a control, which seems to be what you wanted to get away from... You've just changed the point of control it seems. Reminds me of a line the Great Bill Hicks said: "I'm trying to start a party for people that hate people. I know they're out there, I just cant get them together......" ....perhaps one day i'll cure my stupidity...