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From Edip Yüksel's Manifesto:


“O people, a proof has come to you from your Lord, and We have sent down to you a guiding light.” (4:174)


“… and do not make corruption on the Earth after it has been reformed… ” (7:85)


“It is one of the great ones. A warning to humanity. For any among you who wishes to progress or regress” (74:36-37).


The influence of the religion concocted by clerics during the Umayyad and Abbasid dynasties is still dominant in Muslim countries. The blasphemous idea that the Quran is incomplete, unintelligible, and insufficient for spiritual guidance created a huge demand for religious books, and clergymen with big turbans and long beards supplied volumes of them. The masses were told that those books were going to complete, explain, and detail the Quranic revelation. These clerics thus implied that God was not a wise and articulate author; He could not make His message sufficiently clear and he failed to provide guidance on many issues, sometimes even issues involving important spiritual principles and practices. Without these supplementary books, the Quran was of limited use to the individual seeking religious guidance. Some even went so far as to declare that reading the Quran alone would mislead the reader. Numerous books of hadith and sectarian jurisprudence (sharia) were labeled “authentic” and for all practical purposes, they replaced the Quran. The Quran was not a book to be understood on its own; people needed to read books written by professional narrators, collectors, editors, and scholars of hearsay and speculation. Many people got lost among the volumes of books written to interpret and explain the Quran and did not find sufficient time to study the Quran itself. The privileged few who did find that time, had little chance of understanding it, since their minds were tainted with man-made religious instructions, and their logic had been corrupted by contradictory teachings or what we call might call “holy viruses.”


Although religious scholars, clerics and their blind followers have always demonstrated the utmost formal respect for the Quran as physical media, (the leather or paper on which the verses of the Quran were written) they lost faith in, and respect for its message. Verses of the Quran are hung in high places on the walls, touched and treated with utmost reverence, yet Muslims rarely refer to them for their guidance. They are too confused by the contradictory and tangled maze of thousands of hadith falsely attributed to Muhammad and lost among the trivial details of sectarian books. When they occasionally refer to the Quran, it is most likely to be in an abusive manner, abusing the verses by taking them out of context and using them as slogans to declare holy wars or justify aggression. The Quran that liberated people from the darkness of ignorance was transformed, soon after Muhammad’s departure, to a book whose verses were recited for the dead, an amulet carried by the mentally and physically sick, and a paper idol to be revered and feared.


Though the Quran is considered one of the most read books, millions of Muslims read the Quran without understanding it. Even if their native language is Arabic, they are taught not to trust their understanding. The Quran might be the most read book, but unfortunately, due to the concerted effort of religious clerics, it has been turned to the least understood and the least followed popular book in history.


When the mass reversion from the progressive and enlightening message of the Quran started, those who rejected the fabricated hadith and Sunna, the Arab version of Jewish Mishna and Gemara, they were labeled as “murtad” (apostates) and they were threatened, tortured and murdered by the followers of hadith and sunna. For instance, a critical study of the Muslim history will reveal that Abu Hanifa was one of those courageous monotheists (hanif) who was persecuted during both the Umayyad and Abbasid dynasties. During his lifetime, he was accused of not accepting hadith. However, the murderers took advantage of his growing reputation after his death and led the creation of a Sunni sect falsely attributed to him.


The Origins of Hislam


After the death of the Prophet Muhammad, a diabolic event happened. In direct contradiction to the teachings of the Quran, male clerics dedicated the religion not to God alone, but to a “holy” corporation consisting of:


God +

Muhammad +

Muhammad’s companions +

The companions of Muhammad’s companions +

Early sect leaders +

Late sect leaders +

Early scholars of a particular sect +

Late scholars of a particular sect, and so on.

The product of this corporation was the hadith (teachings attributed to Muhammad), the Sunna (actions attributed to Muhammad), the Ijma (consensus of a select group of early scholars), and the Sharia (religious decrees by early scholars). The result was numerous hostile factions that afflicted a great amount of division and atrocities in the land about thirty years after the departure of Muhammad (6:159; 23:52-56). This concoction of medieval Arab/Christian/Jewish cultures was introduced to the masses as God’s infallible religion, as delivered by the last prophet. The only thing actually delivered by God to Muhammad, however, was the text of the Holy Quran, which is set out as the final and authoritative divine message to humankind:


“Once We recite it, you shall follow such a recitation (Quran). Then, it is We who will explain it.” (75:18-19)


Unfortunately, ignorance, intolerance, misogynist teachings, superstitions, and outdated practices have accumulated over the centuries in interpreting and translating the holy book of Islam. It is time to re-introduce the actual message of the Quran. It is time to remove the accumulated layers of man-made dogmas and traditions that have attached themselves to the text. (6:21; 7:29; 9:31; 16:52; 39:2,11,14; 40:14,65; 42:21; 45.17; 74:1-56; 98:5).


Under a very cruel theocratic state terror, many men mobilized to participate in the creation what we rightly call Hislam. They did not have much chance to add or subtract to what was considered The Quran, but there was a lot of room for innovations, superstitions, additions and distortions through fabricating hadith. When a man from Bukhara started collecting hearsay more than two hundred years after the departure of the prophet Muhammad, the landscape and social demographics were fertile for all kinds of theological concoctions and mutations. Those people and their parents had participated in numerous sectarian wars and atrocities. Many educated Gentiles, Christians and Jews were converted to Islam for dubious reasons. Most of these converts had never experienced a paradigm change; they just found it convenient to integrate their culture and most of their previous religious ideas with the new one. To justify and promote their version of religion, the elite started packaging and introducing their religious, cultural, and political ideas and practices under the brand names of hadith, sunna, commentaries, and fatwas. Besides, they fabricated numerous stories called “asbab ul-nuzul” (the reasons for revelation) about why each verse was revealed, thereby distorting the meaning or limiting the scope of many Quranic verses. There was a great effort and competition to distort the meaning of words, taking them out of context to promote the agenda of a certain religion, culture, tribe, sect, cult, or king. Male chauvinists, hermits, misogynists too took advantage of this deformation movement. Hearsay statements attributing words and deeds to Muhammad and his idolized comrades became the most powerful tool or Trojan horse, for promotion of diverse political propaganda, cultural assimilation, and even commercial advertisement. As a result, the Quran was deserted and its message was heavily distorted. 1


Soon after Muhammad’s death, thousands of hadiths (words attributed to Muhammad) were fabricated and two centuries later collected, and centuries later were compiled and written in the so-called “authentic” hadith books:


to support the teaching of a particular sect against another (for instance, what nullifies ablution; which sea food is prohibited);

to flatter or justify the authority and practice of a particular king against dissidents (such as, Mahdy and Dajjal);

to promote the interest of a particular tribe or family (such as, favoring Quraysh tribe or Muhammad’s family);

to justify sexual abuse and misogyny (such as, Aisha’s age; barring women from leading Salat prayers);

to justify violence, oppression and tyranny (such as, torturing members of Urayna and Uqayla tribes, massacring Jewish population in Medina, assassinating a female poet for her critical poems);

to exhort more rituals and righteousness (such as, nawafil prayers);

to validate superstitions (such as, magic; worshiping the black stone near Kaba);

to prohibit certain things and actions (such as, prohibiting drawing animal and human figures, playing musical instruments, chess);

to import Jewish and Christian beliefs and practices (such as, death by stoning, circumcision, head scarf, hermitism, rosary);

to resurrect pre-islamic beliefs and practices common among Meccans (such as, intercession; slavery; tribalism; mysoginism);

to please crowds with stories (such as the story of Mirage (ascension to heaven) and bargaining for prayers);

to idolize Muhammad and claim his superiority to other messengers (such as, numerous miracles, including splitting the moon);

to defend hadith fabrications against monotheists (such as, condemning those who find the Quran alone sufficient); and even

to advertise products of a particular farm (such as, the benefits of dates grown in a town called Ajwa).

In addition to the above mentioned reasons, many hadith were fabricated to explain the meaning of the “difficult” Quranic words or phrases, or to distort the meaning of verses that contradicted the fabricated hadith, or to provide trivial information not mentioned in the Quran (such as, Saqar, 2:187; 8:35… )


Islam versus Hislam


Let’s first check the Quran and enumerate some of the characteristics of Islam, the system of peace, submission and surrender to God alone.




is not a proper name, but a descriptive noun coming from the Arabic root of surrendering/submission/peace, used by God to describe the system delivered by all His messengers and prophets (5:111; 10:72; 98:5), which reached another stage with Abraham (4:125; 22:78).

is surrendering to God alone (2:112,131; 4:125; 6:71; 22:34; 40:66).

is a system with universal principles, which are in harmony with nature (3:83; 33:30; 35:43).

requires objective evidence besides personal experience (3:86; 2:111; 21:24; 74:30).

demands conviction not based on wishful thinking or feelings, but based on reason and evidence (17:36; 4:174; 8:42; 10:100; 11:17; 74:30-31).

esteems knowledge, education, and learning (35:28; 4:162; 9:122; 22:54; 27:40; 29:44,49).

promotes scientific inquiry regarding the evolution of human kind on earth (29:20).

rejects clergymen and intermediaries between god and people (2:48; 9:31-34).

condemns profiteering from religion (9:34; 2:41,79,174; 5:44; 9:9).

stands for liberty, accountability, and defiance of false authorities. (6:164).

stands for freedom of expression (2:256; 18:29; 10:99; 88:21-22).

requires consultation and representation in public affairs (42:38; 5:12).

promotes a democratic system where participation of all citizens is encouraged and facilitated (58:11).

prohibits bribery, and requires strict rules against the influence of interest groups and corporations in government (2:188).

requires election of officials based on qualifications and principles of justice (4:58).

promises justice to everyone, regardless of their creed or ethnicity (5:8).

acknowledges the rights of citizens to publicly petition against injustices committed by individuals or government (4:148).

encourages the distribution of wealth, economic freedom and social welfare (2:215, 59:7).

promotes utmost respect to individuals (5:32).

relates the of the quality of a society to the quality of individuals comprising it (13:11).

recognizes and protects individual right’s to privacy (49:12).

recognizes the right to the presumption of innocence and right to confront the accuser (49:12).

provides protection for witnesses (2:282).

does not hold innocent people responsible for the crime of others (53:38).

protects right to personal property (2:85,188; 4:29; exception 24:29; 59:6-7).

discourages non-productive economy (2:275; 5:90; 3:130).

encourages charity and caring for the poor (6:141; 7:156).

unifies humanity by promoting gender and race equality. (49:13).

values women (3:195; 4:124; 16:97).

values intellect (5:90).

offers peace among nations (2:62; 2:135-136, 208).

considers the entire world belonging to all humanity and supports immigration (4:97-98).

promotes peace, while deterring the aggressive parties (60:8,9; 8:60).

pursues the golden-plated brazen rule of equivalence, that is, retaliation with occasional forgiveness (42:20; 17:33).

stands for human rights and the oppressed (4:75).

encourages competition in righteousness and morality. (16:90)

stands for peace, honesty, kindness, and deterring from wrong doing. (3:110)

expects high moral standards (25:63-76; 31:12-20; 23:1-11).

asks us to be in harmony with nature and environment (30:41).

teaches that the only system/law approved by god is Islam (3:19,85).




Best regards and peace.

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Before you proceed any further Emre.., I recommend you read our FAQ/rules page. As InfiniteNow has already suggested, preaching is against forum rules. You would do well to take my advice................Infy
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بِسْمِ اللهِ الرحمنِ الرحيم

The explanation: (In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.)

God - be exalted – revealed the Glorious Quran in Arabic; because the apostle was one of the Arab, and his people were the Arab. But the religion came to all the world and all nations.

The Quran is the word of God; it is superior to any creature: it is superior to the apostle to whom it was revealed, who was asked about some Quranic revelations or ayat, and he said: "I don't know; God knows best about its true meaning! I merely heard it from the angel as such!"

The Quran is superior even to the angel Gabriel who conveyed it to Prophet Mohammed - peace be on him. It is superior to the generation of the people of the Prophet and the following generations: even to the twentieth and the twenty-first centuries and the following centuries; because simply it is the word of God - be exalted. Each generation will understand something of this glorious knowledge, and will, by time, discover many secrets and deep meaning that may be discovered later on.

An example of that is the Quranic aya 39: 5 where God - be exalted – said:

(يُكَوِّرُ اللّيْلَ عَلى النّهارِ و يُكَوِّرُ النَّهارَ عَلَى اللّيْلِ)

The explanation: (He makes the night spherical on the day, and makes the day spherical on the night)

This one miraculous Arabic word يُكَوِّر declares obviously that the earth is spherical; because the outer space is dark, and the daylight process only occurs in the upper atmospheric layer, and will take the spherical shape of the earth. At present, we understand the meaning of the aya in this way, but the ancient Arabs and Muslims understood it as: the day and night are wound around each other!

That is because the Quran consists of two categories:

1. The Muhkam, i.e. the revelations with obvious meaning,

2. and the Mutashabih, i.e. the revelations with mysterious meaning like the letters at the beginning of some soora's (or chapters) and many other ayat or revelations with scientific meaning and some other ayat of the Quran that constitute a challenge to all mankind to solve such puzzles, or to bring about one aya similar to the Quran: which they never did, nor will they do. And God - be exalted – declared that eventhough all the man-kind and the genie-kind united and cooperated with each other to bring about an analogue of the Quran, they will never be able to achieve that.

Therefore, the Quran is in Arabic; because it is the word of God, but the translation is the word of the translator according to his understanding and linguistic capability; which will never be the Quran; but only a translation of its interpretation and explanation in any language. In other words the translator will translate the meaning of the Quran, but he cannot translate the Quran itself.

For this reason, the Quranic revelation or aya should be mentioned as it is in Arabic, and may be accompanied by the translation of its meaning in English or in any other language; lest the reader should not think that the English words are the Quran, when in fact they are the word of the translator and it is only the translation of the meaning.

Therefore, it is a must that the aya of the Quran should be mentioned in Arabic, accompanied by its explanation in English, or any other language.

E. A. Nassir

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I speak as an admin now:

eanassir, you have to watch out how you make your post here in this forum, because although it is the theology forum it still is part of the science forum, hence you have to argue well, but not just referring paragraphs (sorry if it is the wrong word) from the Quran.

More specifically in your post above, it would have been perfectly acceptable the other way around: you state your opinion that the Quaran has always to be in arabic and maybe accompanied by a translation . This can open a discussion (what is exactly what we want at a forum) and then you motivate your opinion further by an example. But starting like you did it seems that you are preaching and preaching is something what could get you eventually banned.

For more info read the sticky at the top, our faq or send me a pm.


And don't get me wrong you're still very welcome on our forums.

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By the way I completely agree with you that the original accompanied by the translation is the way to go. But can you prove that the original language, in your case arabic, is also the original writing (as it has been recopied many times over the years)? If you ask me the people copying have as much influence on the tex as the translators.

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Today's hadith religions(sunnism,şiaism,alevisim) and Quranic İslam very different.


According to Quran we haven't got souls-ghosts. Quran using Soul word mean "divine inspiration" and Cebrail(inspiration angel).


We haven't got part of God. So nobody can be holy. All peoples are equal. And so saint-dervish or monk life is not from Quran.




According to Quran hell and paradise in other universe. Afterlife universe is "matter universe" like "our universe". But other universe has got different physical laws.Example in paradise bodies are forever, always young, no be ill ........


After a person die, he-she wait for second life until Big Crunch(Doomsday). But only some very good persons don't wait until doomsday. They are in the paradise now. But with bodies again. No soul-spirit life. They are live like us with bodies in other universe. But these are very few peoples.




Other peoples stand up after big Crunch. And good persons will go to Paradise, bad peoples go to hell.




Other life is matter life like this life. İn paradise we can marry, be in lux life, eating , drinking and other matter things:






Quran Miracles | LIKE LOCUSTS





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Other peoples stand up after big Crunch. And good persons will go to Paradise, bad peoples go to hell.


Other life is matter life like this life. İn paradise we can marry, be in lux life, eating , drinking and other matter things.

Hell is not some ethereal destination, it is knowing that in this year on this planet there are still so many people who buy into these ridiculous stories and preach them to others as absolute. The arrogance you show indicating that you must save others... Look inward young one.


Btw: Paradise is a mixture of Apricot Brandy, Gin, and Orange juice served in a cocktail glass.



The level of commitment you show is hypnotic, and I'm getting very very sleepy... :o

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Hell is not some ethereal destination, it is knowing that in this year on this planet there are still so many people who buy into these ridiculous stories and preach them to others as absolute. The arrogance you show indicating that you must save others... Look inward young one.


Btw: Paradise is a mixture of Apricot Brandy, Gin, and Orange juice served in a cocktail glass.



The level of commitment you show is hypnotic, and I'm getting very very sleepy... :o



You crush your head always.


When you come to proofs and science, when you believe to real datas, you can stop your wall crush.


Good luck.



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Nobody has got ghost according to Quran

Unlike the traditional Islamic doctrine which is under the influence of sects and hadith fabrications, in the real Islamic doctrine of the Quran people have NO ghosts/ souls/ spirits. People do NOT have a divine component, a soul, a spirit nor a ghost.


Everything created in the universe is material, physical and real, NOT an illusion. (for example the first man Adam was made from clay element and the jinn was made from fire element)


Heaven and Hell are NOT mental delusions. They are “physical” places created in another universe.


Unfortunately, terms such as soul- spirit (an immortal divine component, a ghost that can exist on its own without the body even after death) have succeed to enter Islam due to wrong translations -which are made under the influence of hadith fabrications- and Islamic mysticism (sufism). But in the original text of the Quran (Arabic version), they are NOT available.

In the Quran, people have “nafs”, which is the equivalent of “life energy”, “ego”, “character”. People are born, they die and they will be “physically” recreated in the Hereafter:


Does the human being think that We will not gather his bones? Indeed, We were able to make his fingertips (The Resurrection, 75: 3-4)


As also can be seen in the verses, people do NOT have souls/ spirits, they only have “nefs”, which dies together with the bodily functions. And as again can be understood from the verses “most” of the people will be recreated in the Judgment Day. We use the word “most” because there are some exceptions. The Quran gives the examples of very meritorious people, such as martyrs or prophets and on the other edge some deadly sinners, such as the Pharaoh who committed outrage to his people.


These exceptional people have already started to reap what they have sown. They are either rewarded in Heaven (physically) or punished in Hell (physically).


Examples to the righteous who go to Heaven immediately after their death:


· Do not count that those who are killed in the sake of God are dead. No, they are alive at their Lord receiving provisions. Happy with what God has granted them from His favor, and they rejoice for those who have yet to follow them. There is no fear over them nor do they grieve. (The Family of Imran, 3: 169-170)


· A man came running from the farthest part of the city, saying: "O my people, follow the messengers. Follow those who do not ask you for any wage, and are guided. Why should I not serve the One who initiated me, and to Him is your ultimate return? Shall I take gods besides Him? If the Gracious intends any harm for me, their intercession cannot help me in the least, nor can they save me. Then I would be clearly astray. I have acknowledged your Lord, so listen to me! It was said, "Enter Paradise." He said "Oh, how I wish my people only knew of what my Lord has forgiven me, and made me of the honored ones."We did not send down upon his people after him soldiers from the sky; for there was no need to send them down. For all it took was one scream, whereupon they were stilled. (36:20-29)


Example to the disbelievers who committed “deadly” sins and tyranny:


· So God protected him from the evil of what they schemed, while the people of Pharaoh have incurred the worst retribution. The fire, which they will be exposed to morning and evening, and on the day when the moment is established: "Admit the people of Pharaoh into the most severe of the retribution." (The Believer, 40: 45-46)


And the following verses refer to the common/ordinary people, possibly the majority of the disbelievers:


· The horn will be blown, whereupon they will rise from the graves rushing towards their Lord. They will say, "Woe to us. Who has resurrected us from our resting place? This is what the Gracious had promised. The messengers were truthful!" (Ya sin, 36: 51-52)


In the Quran the word “Spirit” only refers to the “Holy Ghost/Spirit” and to the messages It brought. For example:


We gave Moses the book, and after him, We sent the messengers. Later We gave Jesus son of Mary the clear proofs, and We supported Him with the Holy Spirit. Is it that every time a messenger comes to you with what your minds do not desire, you become arrogant? A group of them you deny, and a group of them you kill! (2:87)


Such messengers, We have preferred some to others; some of them talked to God, and He raised some of them in ranks, and We gave Jesus son of Mary the proofs and We supported him with the Holy Spirit. Had God wished, the people after them would not have fought after the proofs had come to them, but they disputed, some of them acknowledged and some of them did not appreciate. Had God wished they would not have fought, but God does whatever He wishes. (2:253)


God said, "O Jesus son of Mary, recall My blessings upon you and your mother that I supported you with the Holy Spirit; you spoke to the people in the cradle and in old age; and I taught you the book and the wisdom, and the Torah, and the Injeel; and you would create from clay the shape of a bird, then blow into it and it becomes a bird by My leave; and you heal the blind and the leper by My leave; and you brought out the dead by My leave. I have restrained the Children of Israel from you, that you came to them with proofs; but those who rejected amongst them said, "This is an obvious magic!" (5:110)


He sends down the angels with the Spirit by His command upon whom He wishes of His servants: "That you shall warn that there is no god but I, so be aware of Me." (16:2)


They ask you concerning the Spirit. Say, "The Spirit is from the command of my Lord, and the knowledge you were given was but very little.” (17:85)

It was sent down with the trusted Spirit. (26:193)


Possessor of the highest ranks, the One with the Throne. He sends the Spirit with His command upon whom He wills from His servants, so that they may warn of the day of Summoning. (40:15)


You will not find any people who acknowledge God and the Last day befriending those who oppose God and His messenger, even if they were their parents, or their children, or their siblings, or their tribe. For these, He decrees trust into their hearts, and supports them with a Spirit from Him, and He admits them into paradises with rivers flowing beneath, wherein they will abide. God is pleased with them, and they are pleased with Him. These are the party of God. Most assuredly, the party of God are the winners. (58:22)


The day when the Spirit and the angels stand in line, none will speak unless the Gracious permits him and he speaks what is true. (78:38)


Some dangers of thinking that people have spirits/ souls:


- Having a belief that people have spirits often leads up to the sanctification of the humans. It leads people to associate himself / herself with God.


- It also contributes to building up a strong belief of spiritual evolution. As a result of this false belief, in order to evolve spiritually, people praise suffering and pain. When they encounter a disastrous situation, instead of getting out of it, they welcome it and take it as a reward. However, according to the Quran, the bad things that come to us are either to test us or a result of our sins, our own malignancy.


- Spiritualists regard life as a school where we, as students, learn and mature. These people maintain that suffering / pain is a must for spiritual evolution. Thus, it turns the evil into hidden heroes having a special (key) role in the spiritual evolution process. Those who can read between the lines can easily realize that it glorifies the evil (even Satan). Also spiritualists

tolerate the immoral behaviors of the ones who are not spiritually evolved (!)


- Belief in the spirits opens the door to reincarnation, which means that we will be different creatures (different gender, different personality, different appearance etc.) in our other lives (!) In other words, it means that a person that dies is gone forever, which is actually a very materialistic point of view again if you read between the lines.


- Some spiritualists think that death is something positive as spirit confined to the physical body will be set free and unite with God and become one. This deviant view also praises suicides.


- People, who believe that people have spirits, mostly swap the belief for the Judgment Day with reincarnation and thus, they reject the belief in reward and punishment in the afterlife and eliminate Heaven and Hell, attributing symbolic meanings to both. In addition, they adopt ascetic lifestyles and scorn the beauties, provisions God gives us (in this world and in the other world).


- People who believe in the spirits are more likely to be cheated by the jinns.





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