dattaswami Posted May 19, 2006 Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 A wonderful analysis of Astrology in the light of spirituality No doubt horoscope is the telescope for seeing the cycle of deeds. God has already arranged the happiness and misery in alternating way. The periods of nine planets rotate in a cycle. Each period has sub-periods of the nine planets again as a sub-cycle. This means that while eating a sweet dish a secondary hot dish is also introduced. The horoscope is a beautiful arrangement of your deeds in alternating way by the divine Father who has immense affection on the souls. The total period of the nine planets is 120 years. For each Zodiat of birth (Janma raasi) there will be a continuous ascending period of sixty years and another continuous descending period of 60 years. One may be born in the beginning or in the middle or in the end part of ascending period or descending period depending upon his previous interference through rituals. Mesha, Karkataka, Simha, Vrischika, Dhanush and Meena zodiats have the beginning of ascending period of 60 years which ends with the period of Jupiter. For other zodiats the ascending period of 60 years starts with the period of Saturn for 60 years which ends with the period of Venus. Thus one is born with an ascending period of 60 years or with a descending period of 60 years or at any point between these two periods. If a person is born in Mesha, starting with the period of Sun, the 60 years life time is ascending. If the same is born with the period of Saturn, the person will have a descending period of 60 years. A realized soul dragged back the fruits of bad deeds from the present life cycle, will be born in the beginning of ascending periods. If the ignorant soul dragged back the fruits of good deeds from the present cycle, he will be born in the beginning of descending period. If the whole life is with happiness or misery the person will be bored. The reason for such boring is only the person himself who has interfered with the good arrangement of God. Therefore Jesus said that let the will of God happen always. However for ignorant souls also the God made some compensation by introducing the sub-periods of all the nine planets in the main period of each planet. Thus a secondary alternative arrangement of side dishes is done by the Godmother because the children are ignorant of even the technology of eating! Jyotisham (Astrology) is the subject which relates to Jyoti or planet. The actual meaning of Jyoti is only God. According to the Veda (Param Jyotirupasampadyate) and the Brahma Sutras (refer the sutra of Jyotiradhikaranam). Jyoti means light. The planet is like the jailor guiding you to the jail where you will enjoy the misery or is like a guide who guides you to a bar like heaven where you will drink and sleep. The planet guides you to the fruit of your deed. It is called as Graha which means that it will capture you wherever you are present to deliver the fruit of your deed to you at the exact fraction of second. It is a computerized system of deeds and fruits. This computer does all the calculations and is called as Chitra Gupta. Chitra Gupta means the protector of witness through the audio and video system. All your thoughts, words and deeds are recorded and will be exhibited as witness in the upper world. The judge does not require any type of other witness. There is no need of an advocate and therefore such provision does not exist. You will just see and hear your thoughts, words and deeds in the audio and video system (Chitra Gupta) and an automatic judgment is delivered by another system called as Yama. There is no possibility of doing any ritual there since it is only a place of enjoyment of fruits (Bhoga Loka). All the heavenly pleasures and hell - punishments are given according to periods of another horoscope that is prepared based on the time of death. Thus the wheel of the planets is the executive system of the soul in this world as well as in the upper world. Yama is the son of the Sun like Saturn, is also the controlling powerful planet in the upper world. The Lord is all in all and is the employer of the planets. The planets function due to the fear about Lord. The Veda says the same (Bhishodeti Suryah). Astrologers are like the elementary school teachers and should become spiritual gurus like professors. The priests and the astrologers should rise in their standards and guide the people to the spiritual path. Instead of doing so, both have colluded and are doing business by exploiting the public. The astrologer takes some money for studying the horoscope and recommends the Japam of a planet. The priest does it and gives commission to the astrologers. It is like a doctor referring the patient to the laboratory for diagnosis for getting the commission. The whole spirit is lost and the spiritual path is lost long back in this Kali Yuga. The priests and the astrologers say a story that even Lord Shiva suffered due to Saturn. The story is only a creation for promoting the business. Even if you believe the story, you can take it in positive sense. You can understand that even the Lord respects the cycle of deeds. What sin Lord Shiva did to undergo the affect of Saturn? The story is foolish even at the root. Let us assume that even Lord Shiva has to suffer the affect of Saturn for a bad deed. If that is so, how can an ordinary human being escape the same type of effect with the help of this petty priest and petty astrologer? Astrology is elementary level of spiritual knowledge which introduces the super-natural power that is beyond the science. This should finally lead to the existence of unimaginable God beyond logic and science. Astrology is not allowed to grow to become philosophy by these commercial intellectuals. Its growth is arrested and is limited so that the exploitation of devotees can take place. Astrology should be allowed to become philosophy. The school education should grow to become the university standard. The priests and astrologers should develop to become spiritual gurus. Otherwise they are doing sin in the name of God which will affect them here and there. The astrologers have developed a wrong concept in astrology by which the people think that they are receiving good or bad affects accidentally by the movement of planets without reference to their deeds. It is just like saying that one is arrested by police on a road because while he was standing on the road, the police incidentally came there and captured him. He is feeling that his arrest was due to the incidental meeting with the police on the road and the arrest happened without any reason. Similarly people are thinking that the bad results are achieved by the incidental movement of the planets and their periods. This is complete nonsense. The planets are very disciplined and regular in their movements. Since you are proved as a thief and your arrest is ordered by the court, the police have arrested you with the exact background. You pose as if you are innocent and the arrest is simply incidental due to movement of police meeting you accidentally. You may escape the police for sometime even after the order from the court, but the planet catches you exactly in the same fraction of second as soon of the order from the divine court is released. In fact the results of deeds of any human being are mainly postponed after the death to the upper world. The results of all your deeds are not given in this world especially when you are in the human life which is very rare. The main aim of this very rare human life is that you should recognize the God and obtain His grace before the end of this human life. This human life is mainly meant for such effort (Saadhana) and therefore this world is called as Karma Loka. You will not be always disturbed with the enjoyment of fruits of your deeds in this world because the main purpose will not be served in this little precious time of human life. When the student is occupied in the studies in the period of preparation for examination, the principal will not disturb him either by punishments or by encouraging cultural activities. Once the examinations are over there is a long vacation time in which these can be take up. Similarly there is lot of time after death and therefore the fruits of the deeds are mainly given after the death in a separate world called as Bhoga Loka. The earth is meant for the karma to be done to recognize the human form of the Lord and get guidance and practice it to please God. Therefore a separate time and a separate world (hell & heaven) are meant for this purpose. People who do not know the main aim of human life and the significance of this karma loka are worried for not seeing the results here itself immediately. This is the main aim of creation of hell and heaven separately as the upper worlds. However the results of some deeds are released here itself in case they can activate the soul in the spiritual line. With such aim certain effects of misery to divert the soul to the God and certain effects of happiness as alternative intervals for encouragement are released. Without understanding the significance of these effects, people either sleep and become lazy in happiness or get worried and feel tensions in misery. When such effects have no use on the spiritual line, the soul is released from the gross body and is pushed to Bhoga Loka and further cycles of animals and birds in a condemned state. Thus the ultimate aim of human life and the ultimate aim of the good and bad results must be realized in the light of the spiritual divine path. This human life is not just for the mechanical deeds and corresponding results like a routine machine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hallenrm Posted May 19, 2006 Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 You specialize in rather long posts, Dattaswami! Did it ever cross your mind that length of a post's is indeed not welcomed by most members, like me, who are not very comfortable reading from the screen!:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfiniteNow Posted May 19, 2006 Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 Spam... no question even... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dattaswami Posted May 20, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 You specialize in rather long posts, Dattaswami! Did it ever cross your mind that length of a post's is indeed not welcomed by most members, like me, who are not very comfortable reading from the screen!:) Correlating Astrology And Theory Of Karma Astrologers say that you are getting troubles due to the movement of the planets. This means that you are getting the trouble not due to your previous sins. Therefore you feel that you are unnecessarily getting troubles, even though you have not done any sin. Astrologers say that a police arrests you because you are going on a road and accidentally the police is also walking on the same road. You are very anxious to get rid of these troubles because these are unnecessary punishments for you. The astrologers exploit your anxiety by suggesting some remedies. The word Graha (planet) means that system which gives the exact result for your exact deed in exact time. The planets are just the computers. They are inert and are not independent. Only Swami can change the decisions. Therefore there is no use of worshipping the planets. One has to receive the fruits of the deeds whether good or bad (Naabhuktam Ksheeyate Karma). There is only one way to escape the fruits of the deeds. The Lord comes down in human form and undergoes the punishments for your sake and saves you. At the same time He will protect the prestige of God of Justice and the theory of Karma. This is the main reason for His human incarnation. He will never cancel the fruits of deeds. He will sacrifice Himself and protects you. When you cannot pay the fine, your father pays it. You must become eligible for such grace of the Lord. The eligibility is achieved by you when you do not aspire to get rid of the fruits of your deeds and prepare to undergo the punishments of all your sins. You should never think that the Lord should sacrifice for your sake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted May 21, 2006 Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 Spam... no question even...I always thought spam was salty. This seems kinda nutty. :D Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappytheStripper Posted May 21, 2006 Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 You specialize in rather long posts, Dattaswami! Did it ever cross your mind that length of a post's is indeed not welcomed by most members, like me, who are not very comfortable reading from the screen!:D So instead we got a shorter version of the longer now .. ^look up^ .. I think this person has learned the art of copying and pasting .. or maybe its a robot .. a very nutty robot .. with only one task .. to repeat .. :) Artificial Intelligence at its best ?? Astrology and Spirituality .. Metaphysics .. hehe no doubt about it .. or Esoteric Astrology which is Astrology and the Soul .. Regards Ashley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dattaswami Posted May 22, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 So instead we got a shorter version of the longer now .. ^look up^ .. I think this person has learned the art of copying and pasting .. or maybe its a robot .. a very nutty robot .. with only one task .. to repeat .. :cup: Artificial Intelligence at its best ?? Astrology and Spirituality .. Metaphysics .. hehe no doubt about it .. or Esoteric Astrology which is Astrology and the Soul .. Regards Ashley Creation & Enjoyment …….. Lord created the universe for entertainment. He has given free will to all the human beings to do whatever they like. But, the results will follow the deeds. So, He is indirectly controlling, that is to say that enjoyment for good deeds and misery for bad deeds. Misery is to bring realisation only and not to repeat the same bad deed. Otherwise, He is not responsible for one's deeds. There is nothing like His enjoying when one harms the other. He watches this as a cinema only. One has to receive the fruits of the deeds whether good or bad (Naabhuktam Ksheeyate Karma). There is only one way to escape the fruits of the deeds. The Lord comes down in human form and undergoes the punishments for your sake and saves you. At the same time He will protect the prestige of God of Justice and the theory of Karma. This is the main reason for His human incarnation. He will never cancel the fruits of deeds. He will sacrifice Himself and protects you. When you cannot pay the fine, your father pays it. You must become eligible for such grace of the Lord. You achieve the eligibility when you do not aspire to get rid of the fruits of your deeds and prepare to undergo the punishments of all your sins. You should never think that the Lord should sacrifice for your sake. Most of the times, we misunderstand God and interpret wrongly. For proper understanding of Him, we should learn the divine knowledge and practice it. Lord preaches the true spiritual knowledge in human form only, like Jesus, Krishna and Prophet Mohammed. His mission is to uplift human beings by preaching the divine knowledge. We should participate in His mission as His servants without aspiring anything in return. The practical participation (in form of donating money and physically spending by working) will only prove our devotion. Real love involves sacrifice. When we sacrifice ourselves and serve our kith-kin we are getting enjoyment. Our enjoyment comes with the enjoyment of our beloved, which clearly shows that the true love involves sacrifice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hallenrm Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 Therefore there is no use of worshipping the planets. One has to receive the fruits of the deeds whether good or bad (Naabhuktam Ksheeyate Karma). There is only one way to escape the fruits of the deeds. The Lord comes down in human form and undergoes the punishments for your sake and saves you. At the same time He will protect the prestige of God of Justice and the theory of Karma. This is the main reason for His human incarnation. So can you please tell me, since you are so knowledgeable, when is the next visit due? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dattaswami Posted May 22, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 So can you please tell me, since you are so knowledgeable, when is the next visit due? Spiritual discussions should revolve around Lord, divine knowledge, devotion and His service. Regarding the knowledge about self, it is sufficient if you know that you are not the Lord. Time and discussions should be utilised to reach the goal who is the Lord and then please Him. Divine knowledge itself means the knowledge required to identify the Lord when He comes in human form. Self-realisation is an intermediate step and God-realisation is the ultimate and final step. Hence, let the discussions should be oriented in that direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDMclean Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 Play nice people, Dattaswami, is welcome here in my eyes. I appresiate you cutting down your posting length some, it makes it easier to read. Realy quick question cause it just came to mind while attempting to right this.What is your gender, if I may ask? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfiniteNow Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 I always thought spam was salty. This seems kinda nutty. :) Brilliant. :embarass: :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDMclean Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 The word Datta means "Given," Swami is a primarily Hindu honorific, loosely akin to "master". It is derived from the Sanskrit language and means "owner of oneself", denoting complete mastery over instinctive and lower urges. It is a title added to one's name to emphasize learning and, of course, mastery of a specific field of knowledge, most often religious and/or spiritual. Many great yogis and gurus (teachers) of the Hindu tradition hold the title of Swami along with their names, as Swami Vivekananda or Swami Sivananda. If not his own writing he has it saved. I would suggest a literal (IE with " surrounding a phrase") search of Google with any of the sentences in his posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hallenrm Posted May 23, 2006 Report Share Posted May 23, 2006 Spiritual discussions should revolve around Lord, divine knowledge, devotion and His service. Regarding the knowledge about self, it is sufficient if you know that you are not the Lord. Is spirituality similar to science. If it is totally divorced from science, as it appears from your above post, why did you chose to post your thoughts in Hypography science Forums? Is it because the God gave you no other forum?:evil: Because, you think science guys are the most gullible and ignorant and hence need to be emancipated? :) Or is it because you feel alienated, you like science, but cannot discourse on it with others?:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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