Thoth101 72 Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 (edited) You might agree with that, but you are wrong! Not only did humans evolve from apes, but humans are still apes! The Hominidae (/hɒˈmɪnɪdiː/), whose members are known as great apes[note 1] or hominids (/ˈhɒmɪnɪdz/), are a taxonomic family of primates that includes eight extant species in four genera: Pongo, the Bornean, Sumatran and Tapanuli orangutan; Gorilla, the eastern and western gorilla; Pan, the common chimpanzee and the bonobo; and Homo, of which only modern humans remain. The current, 21st-century meaning of "hominid" includes all the great apes including humans. A hominid is a member of the family Hominidae, the great apes: orangutans, gorillas, chimpanzees and humans. This cladogram shows where we split off from the pan line (chimpanzees) One candidate for LCA is Sahelanthropus tchadensis, which lived close to the time of the chimpanzee–human divergence, (7 Mya). It may have been ancestral to both humans and chimpanzees (which would place it in the tribe Hominini), or alternatively an early member of the tribe Gorillini.How can you say I am wrong when these are all just theories? If we are still apes why can't we reproduce naturally with them? There is one fact though, that we are all mammals but something very interesting is that we have a reptilian part of the brain. Edited July 28, 2020 by Thoth101 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OceanBreeze 420 Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 IF we are apes (we are, you are right), then obviously we did not evolve from apes.. as your diagram clearly shows.. as I said, humans and the great apes (including humans) have common ancestors, that does not mean humans evolved from modern apes. I see! So now you add in the word "modern" ape to try and weasel your way out of this. What do you suppose the LCA of humans and chimpanzees was if not an ape? Both humans and chimpanzees are apes and both evolved from apes. Of course, if you want to go back 500 Million years every living thing probably evolved from a single-celled blob that crawled out of some primeval soup. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OceanBreeze 420 Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 How can you say I am wrong when these are all just theories? If we are still apes why can't we reproduce naturally with them? Are you telling me you are incapable of reproduction with a fellow human (ape)? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Thoth101 72 Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 (edited) Are you telling me you are incapable of reproduction with a fellow human (ape)?A Gorilla or a Chimp. If we evolved from Chimps shouldn't we be able to reproduce with them? Edited July 28, 2020 by Thoth101 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OceanBreeze 420 Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 A Gorilla or a Chimp. They would probably reject you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mutex 34 Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 Are you telling me you are incapable of reproduction with a fellow human (ape)? I'm telling you that we did not evolve from fellow humans!!!, as your diagram clearly displays, your playing a semantics game here. Humans did not evolve from humans, no more then they evolved from gorilla's. And I'm telling you that we are incapable of reproduction with gorillas, and neither gorillas or humans can reproduce with our common ancestor. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OceanBreeze 420 Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 There really is no room for argument here. I gave you the cladogram for the family Hominidae. And I gave you the link and the definition: The Hominidae (/hɒˈmɪnɪdiː/), whose members are known as great apes[note 1] or hominids (/ˈhɒmɪnɪdz/), are a taxonomic family of primates that includes eight extant species in four genera: Pongo, the Bornean, Sumatran and Tapanuli orangutan; Gorilla, the eastern and western gorilla; Pan, the common chimpanzee and the bonobo; and Homo, of which only modern humans remain. Humans are a member. All the members, both extant and extinct, are called great apes. The LCA of humans and chimpanzees is also a member; that is the LCA was also a great ape. It cannot be made any more clear than that. And this is hardly a theory as it is based on cladistics including DNA and fossil evidence. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OceanBreeze 420 Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 I'm telling you that we did not evolve from fellow humans!!!, as your diagram clearly displays, your playing a semantics game here. Humans did not evolve from humans, no more then they evolved from gorilla's. And I'm telling you that we are incapable of reproduction with gorillas, and neither gorillas or humans can reproduce with our common ancestor. Are you really this dumb or just pretending to be? I did not say that humans evolved from humans! Humans evolved from apes. Look at the cladogram again and read the damn link. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OceanBreeze 420 Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 A Gorilla or a Chimp. If we evolved from Chimps shouldn't we be able to reproduce with them? Can you mate with an amobea? We evolved from them also! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Thoth101 72 Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 They would probably reject you.What about a Bonobo? :lol: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Thoth101 72 Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 Can you mate with an amobea? We evolved from them also!I understand their is evolution and it is seen in nature. I just feel Darwin's theory may be backwards a bit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OceanBreeze 420 Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 What about a Bonobo? :lol: You might have a chance there if you get it drunk first Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OceanBreeze 420 Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 I understand their is evolution and it is seen in nature. I just feel Darwin's theory may be backwards a bit. You think your theory of aliens is better? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Thoth101 72 Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 You might have a chance there if you get it drunk firstI think they are into LGBQT or whatever it is so I might have to get two female Bonobos to go at it to set the mood. :lol: :rofl: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Thoth101 72 Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 You think your theory of aliens is better?I really don't know what is better I just try to look at all the possibilities. DNA being used by a more intelligent species then us seems to make a lot of sense. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mutex 34 Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 Are you really this dumb or just pretending to be? I did not say that humans evolved from humans! Humans evolved from apes. Look at the cladogram again and read the damn link. Not dumb, thankyou, it is all about your very poor use of correct terminology, and loose use of terms and definitions, you said 'humans are apes and evolved from apes'. That is incorrect, our common ancestor is a 'great apes', but we DID NOT evolve from modern apes, modern apes (and that includes humans, or correctly primates) evolved from a common ancestor, and no we cannot reproduce with that common ancestor or with out other primate cousins.. Again, you're playing free and loose with terminology and semantics.. I am guessing you do in fact actually know that. Thoth101 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Thoth101 72 Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 You think your theory of aliens is better?I mean if a dog could think rationally for a minute they might wonder how their got to be so many different breeds of dogs. And if you told them humans did it, they may have a hard time believing it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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