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Actually Turmeric is a anti-inflammatory substance it will actually make the immune system less likely to attack the virus and turmeric does not have any Anti-viral properties it works upon certain receptors that control cellular metabolism and cellular communication along with being a antioxidant however this does not mean it has any anti-viral properties, this is a article about turmeric and its active chemicals(https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5664031/). Also black pepper seems to increase the effectiveness of Turmeric by 2000% however it will still not effect viruses, it is a good antioxidant however it is not so good for fighting viruses as it actually makes the immune system not attack the virus as a anti-inflammatory. Now if you were talking about a anti-aging or anti-cancer treatment as a antioxidant it actually does do that as this will actually prevent genetic damage.

 

Could Tumeric as an antimicrobial, slow down an infection, giving the body chance to build up anti bodies against covid-19 for example????. 

From the link I posted above, tumeric has been shown to be effective against many different types of bacteria. and "Plants as a rich source of phytochemicals with different biological activities including antiviral activities are in interest of scientists [5960]. It has been demonstrated that curcumin as a plant derivative has a wide range of antiviral activity against different viruses"

 

Is it worth further discussion.?

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Could Tumeric as an antimicrobial, slow down an infection, giving the body chance to build up anti bodies against covid-19 for example????.  From the link I posted above, tumeric has been shown to be

My child was young. He was very sensitive for cold. Even small change in weather causes cough & throat infection. Even antibiotic gives very temporary relief to him. I think about this problem &am

I can see how Tumeric might make Covid-19 worse.   Tumeric + Black Pepper(Curcumin + Pipirine) is a well known anti-inflammatory treatement. My understanding is that it could also reduce a temperature

Could Tumeric as an antimicrobial, slow down an infection, giving the body chance to build up anti bodies against covid-19 for example????. 

From the link I posted above, tumeric has been shown to be effective against many different types of bacteria. and "Plants as a rich source of phytochemicals with different biological activities including antiviral activities are in interest of scientists [5960]. It has been demonstrated that curcumin as a plant derivative has a wide range of antiviral activity against different viruses"

 

Is it worth further discussion.?

No because it has never been found to inhibit coronavirus making the premise of this thread crank.

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Soddit now I may have confused the crap out of myself.

 

Since SARS-cov and Covid-19 are closely related, I thought I might look there !!!! 

 

"ACE2 is an established functional receptor by which SARS-CoV enters host target cells" https://www.nature.com/articles/s41440-020-0455-8 

 

ie its bad to increase ACE2 in your body, which is what Curcumin can do apparently !!!!!!!!!?

 

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" Catechin and Curcumin which have dual binding affinity i.e both the molecule binds to viral S-protein and as well as ACE2. Catechin binds with S-protein and ACE2 with binding energy of -10.5 Kcal/mol and -8.9 Kcal/mol, respectively. Catechin binds with a greater affinty than that of curcumin which has a binding energy of -7.9Kcal/mol and - 7.8Kcal/mol for S-protein and ACE2, respectively. While curcumin gets bound directly to receptor binding domain (RBD) of viral S-protein, catechin binds to near proximity of RBD sequence of S-protein. Molecular simulation study demonstrates that curcumin directly binds with RBD site of S-protein during 40-100ns. In contrast, catechin binds with S-protein near the RBD site and causes fluctuation in the amino acids present in the RBD and it’s near proximity. In conclusion, this computational study for the first time predicts the possibility of above two polyphenols, for therapeutic/preventive intervention." https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-22057/v1 

 

ie increasing ACE2 is good !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????????

 

The above two studies would appear to contradict each other. 

 

And to make it worse "Diterpenoids, sesquiterpenoids, triterpenoids, lignoids and curcumin were shown to inhibit SARS-CoV in the range of 3–10 µM" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3136164/

 

Is curcumin bad or good for corona virus???? 

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Soddit now I may have confused the crap out of myself.

 

Since SARS-cov and Covid-19 are closely related, I thought I might look there !!!! 

 

"ACE2 is an established functional receptor by which SARS-CoV enters host target cells" https://www.nature.com/articles/s41440-020-0455-8

 

ie its bad to increase ACE2 in your body, which is what Curcumin can do apparently !!!!!!!!!?

 

and 

 

" Catechin and Curcumin which have dual binding affinity i.e both the molecule binds to viral S-protein and as well as ACE2. Catechin binds with S-protein and ACE2 with binding energy of -10.5 Kcal/mol and -8.9 Kcal/mol, respectively. Catechin binds with a greater affinty than that of curcumin which has a binding energy of -7.9Kcal/mol and - 7.8Kcal/mol for S-protein and ACE2, respectively. While curcumin gets bound directly to receptor binding domain (RBD) of viral S-protein, catechin binds to near proximity of RBD sequence of S-protein. Molecular simulation study demonstrates that curcumin directly binds with RBD site of S-protein during 40-100ns. In contrast, catechin binds with S-protein near the RBD site and causes fluctuation in the amino acids present in the RBD and it’s near proximity. In conclusion, this computational study for the first time predicts the possibility of above two polyphenols, for therapeutic/preventive intervention." https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-22057/v1

 

ie increasing ACE2 is good !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????????

 

The above two studies would appear to contradict each other. 

 

And to make it worse "Diterpenoids, sesquiterpenoids, triterpenoids, lignoids and curcumin were shown to inhibit SARS-CoV in the range of 3–10 µM" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3136164/

 

Is curcumin bad or good for corona virus???? 

That paper isn't peer reviewed, it's a crank paper.

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I am not virologist. I tell one story when I have found this treatment method.

In 2014, my child immunity was so low  that he  suffer from pneumonia. After he recover from that I was shocked & try to find some thing new.

One day, I was coming from my office. I see in square some private nimi-buses try to chock the space near to the bus stop so that government bus  will have to stop very away from the that spot. 

When I see that activity, I find one method to stop virus engaging with the receptor because virus is non-living until that engage with receptor of our body. I find all character in turmeric to block the virus. It can be in very fine particle powder form, have very good medical smell (that can go directly to respiratory system)  & medically it is used against cold & cough from many years. First, I mix it in milk in diluted from & give it to my child for whole day in very small dose when he suffer from cold & that give me very good result (with supplementary some Ayurveda syrup like Honeytus when infection is more). 

Now, I find even you mixed turmeric with water then also we get good result.

I have not tell this treatment to anybody & keep it in private & use it in my family only.

Now, when I see there is no medicine for covid-19 then I think this may give very good relief to covid-19 patient also. 

If I am virus then I will not remain in that place where there are turmeric all around me & even turmeric water will get pour on me continuously.

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Which paper, would you view all of them as crank?

The one that is your second link is from a non-peer reviewed source, the one from the NCBI is a good paper though. Basically the paper from the first link has not been tested yet for whether those substances actually work on coronavirus or not yet and should be viewed as a hypothesis. It was only tested in a molecular computer simulation like my Multi-valent Retroviral Vectors however to actually physically test them could provide different results as that is not always perfectly accurate to "Real Universe".

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We can do research by using super computer, simulation etc when drug is un-proven new molecule & be dangerous to human. Turmeric is not dangerous to human.

So, we can test this method on batch of patient directly & see the result.

Do not stop the other treatment on patient.

You will definitely see the early good change in the patient.  

Use it as supplementary treatment method & if you find it helpful then use super computer, simulation etc to find the reason.

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We can do research by using super computer, simulation etc when drug is un-proven new molecule & be dangerous to human. Turmeric is not dangerous to human.

So, we can test this method on batch of patient directly & see the result.

Do not stop the other treatment on patient.

You will definitely see the early good change in the patient.  

Use it as supplementary treatment method & if you find it helpful then use super computer, simulation etc to find the reason.

Well, the key to test Turmeric physically is to test to see if it actually does anything to prevent coronavirus not necessarily whether it is harmful or not. I am still skeptical that a curry spice can do anything for coronavirus, which is why clinical trials must happen just as any drug for must go through FDA approval, meaning it has to be physically tested in a lab environment against alternatives. However, if in trials the curcumin in Turmeric seems to have a general positive effect on coronavirus patients I am sure it would be used as a drug to treat it, but until it goes into trials it is still speculation that it actually works. In the past certain plants and substances have been proven to be effective against certain aliments so it is not uncommon for drugs to start off as a random chemical in a non-purified substance like Turmeric however these all must be tested before it becomes the cure for any disease, I would imagine since Curcumin is 2000% more effective with black pepper extracted chemicals such as piperine that it will be a combination of both of these when it actually becomes a drug if it works, though I highly doubt in its natural form that just using Turmeric is very effective as a drug. I think what would have to happen in the event that it does work is you would need to use Purified Curcumin with Purified Piperine from black pepper to make an actual drug from it. Saying all of that, I still think it is crank to try and cure coronavirus with natural Turmeric due to the low concentrations of Curcumin in Turmeric.

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Well, the key to tested Turmeric physically is to test to see if it actually does anything to prevent coronavirus not necessarily whether it is harmful or not. I am still skeptical that a curry spice can do anything for coronavirus, which is why clinical trials must happen just as any drug for must go through FDA approval, meaning it has to be physically tested in a lab environment against alternatives.

 

Yes, and not tested on somebody's child without medical supervision.

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You are true not to test but when it is harmful.

This turmeric is commonly use in India from centuries as medicine & daily in Kitchen. 

Child, adult, patient, non-patient, daily eat this in meal without any side effect from centuries.

My whole family use this treatment from many years & not find any side effect.

I have also taken it & find it helpful when suffering from cold.

In this treatment, quantity of turmeric consume is not more than 2 tablespoon in a day which is very less.

It is not necessary to stop your other treatment also.

I recommend this can be taken as precautionary method until you find it helpful. 

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Today also, I have taken turmeric from food in dal & in fried vegetable & sit in front of laptop without any side effect.

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Yes, it is not tested on covid-19 but first use as precautionary method until you find it helpful.

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You are true not to test but when it is harmful.

This turmeric is commonly use in India from centuries as medicine & daily in Kitchen. 

Child, adult, patient, non-patient, daily eat this in meal without any side effect from centuries.

My whole family use this treatment from many years & not find any side effect.

I have also taken it & find it helpful when suffering from cold.

In this treatment, quantity of turmeric consume is not more than 2 tablespoon in a day which is very less.

It is not necessary to stop your other treatment also.

I recommend this can be taken as precautionary method until you find it helpful. 

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Today also, I have taken turmeric from food in dal & in fried vegetable & sit in front of laptop without any side effect.

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Yes, it is not tested on covid-19 but first use as precautionary method until you find it helpful.

Did you not read my post apparently not, this has changed my mind maheshkhati, you are just a crank despite that there maybe medicinal properties to turmeric's chemicals, you do not seem to understand that in its natural form it probably does nothing as it only contains 3% curcumin in turmeric. It would be like saying that mold is good for you to eat and will cure you from bacterial infection even though naturally the concentrations of the antibiotic in mold is very low and would probably do nothing.

 

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I disagree with you because I have seen the result. Many times method to use medicine is more important than quantity we use.

 

For example, daily we use of turmeric in kitchen without any direct medical benefit from it ..because it first get engage with vegetable, dal, oil etc 

 

I think targeted continuous medical use gives us early healing & very important property of turmeric which I want to use it. It spread on inner surface of throat in very thin layer that will not give the space for virus to spread or may become membrane that can not be penetrate by the most of the virus or make it in-active or block the receptors in throat before virus get multiplied or this may not give a room to virus to spread.

 

There are to two method for approaches.

1) make a model, see the theory, ask the question & then consider to use.

& 2) use directly & see the result by taking reasonable risk. I take the risk, use it & find helpful.

Thanks. 

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I disagree with you because I have seen the result. Many times method to use medicine is more important than quantity we use.

 

For example, daily we use of turmeric in kitchen without any direct medical benefit from it ..because it first get engage with vegetable, dal, oil etc 

 

I think targeted continuous medical use gives us early healing & very important property of turmeric which I want to use it. It spread on inner surface of throat in very thin layer that will not give the space for virus to spread or may become membrane that can not be penetrate by the most of the virus or make it in-active or block the receptors in throat before virus get multiplied or this may not give a room to virus to spread.

 

There are to two method for approaches.

1) make a model, see the theory, ask the question & then consider to use.

& 2) use directly & see the result by taking reasonable risk. I take the risk, use it & find helpful.

Thanks. 

 

Let us know how you and your family/neighbors fare if you get corona virus. The safest option is not to get it, ie use social separation.

 

The medical papers posted above support some of your claims if not your methodolgy. Tumeric+ Black Pepper (Curcumin + Pippirin) are anti inflammatory, and have anti bacterial and anti fungal properties. They will not stop you getting Corona Virus but they may slow down its progress if you do get it. 

 

PS

 

If you are unfortunate enough to get corona virus could you take the time to give me the recipe you use for your dals. I realy like Indian cooking and at some stage in the future would like to visit India for a few months. I have Goa and Kerola in mind so far, where else would you recommend?

 

If you are unfortunate enough to get corona virus could you take the time to give me the recipe you use for your dals. I realy like Indian cooking and at some stage in the future would like to visit India for a few months. I have Goa and Kerola in mind so far, where else would you recommend?

 

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You can visit Rajasthan for nice forts & beautiful palaces, Himachal for feel Himalaya, Kashmir is very good but have militancy problem.  India is like mini world with rich, poor, all religion living together with snow to desert to sea landscape.  Goa & Kerala are the ultimate tourist places.

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I only say that I use this treatment & find it is very helpful for cold & cough problem.

Use it with combination of other your normal medical treatment & you will find that you are recovered very fast.

Please, convey me if you will find it helpful.

(Sorry Flummoxed, I will be happy to use Black papper but it can not be converted in very fine powder which is require here & very bad taste.

This is time to stop. 

I may be wrong or I use wrong method to treat but it was my requirement to do so.

Thanks.

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This shows a fundamental misunderstanding about how immunology works, to create antibodies to a virus there must be antigens from the virus present, chemical drugs will not do that. Only a vaccine,other biologic, or infection by the virus would generate antibodies to a virus, this shows that you have no idea what you are talking about. For instance, if you had the DNA to synthesize the proteins on the coat of the virus, you could create antibodies from those antigens once introduced to the immune system, however chemical drugs do not create antibodies... PURE CRACKPOTTERY!

 

P.S. There are many other things wrong with what maheshkhati said however that is enough to deem this a crackpot thread, anyone that so much as watched the videos in the immunology lectures thread(http://www.scienceforums.com/topic/36373-immunology-lectures/) would laugh at how stupid this is.

Hey you do know we have a natural immune system don't you Victor? The human race survived over hundreds of thousands of years before this cracpottery called big pharma. That makes money off of you being sick. You should look into how the Rockefellers got there hands on medical systems.

 

 

The American Medical Association (AMA) began in 1847, but it was a small, weak organization until John D. Rockefeller and Andrew Carnegie took on a “philanthropic mission” to help the AMA, marking the point when allopathic (Western) medicine took a huge turn.  Since there were many types of doctors and healing methods, Rockefeller wanted to eliminate these competitors, thus ensuring that drugs would be the main course of treatment.   Capitalists like Rockefeller and Carnegie and others “embraced scientific medicine as an ideological weapon in their struggle to formulate a new culture appropriate to and supportive of industrial capitalism.”  (Rockefeller Medicine Men; Richard E Brown, 1979).

 

Rockefeller and Carnegie hired Abraham Flexner, an American educator, to write a report, published and given to Congress in 1910, that concluded there were too many doctors and medical schools in the US and that all natural healing modalities which had existed for hundreds of years were unscientific quackery.  Flexner’s report called for standardization of medical education, whereby only allopathic AMA medicine institutions would be granted medical school licenses.  Congress acted on the conclusions and made them law.

 

Carnegie and Rockefeller used their tax-exempt foundations to offer huge grants to medical schools on the proviso that only an allopathic curriculum be taught.  Curricula in these schools was dismantled to remove herbs and plants, and the importance of diet. On the positive side, Flexner’s influence did heighten the importance of laboratory-based research and education.

https://www.biostarus.com/blogs/formulators-corner/down-the-rabbit-hole-the-rise-of-western-medicine-in-the-us

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