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40,000 is not too low by a huge margin since I don't consider NYC to be reporting accurately:

 

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In accordance with new CDC guidelines:

 

New York: the numbers shown below include probable deaths (and, consequently, probable cases for the same number) as reported by New York City

Maryland: includes probable deaths, as reported by the Department of Health (Section: "COVID-19 Statistics in Maryland")

Wyoming: includes probable cases, as reported by the Department of Health

 

 

"probable cases" do not even require any testing for the virus, just for the Dr or ambulance driver to make an assumption of the death being covid related.

 

Since they started doing that, the numbers have shot upwards.

 

Now the democrats will get the 100,000 number they crave for in the hope that will help demented Joe to win in November.

From what I have heard from nurses hospitals get extra money for labeling a death as a corona death. They may have died while having a corona in their system which many people do already. As long as there is corona in their system they can label it as a death from corona even if they didn't die from corona itself. So factor that in for numbers. What it factors down to is it is all about money and control and installing new programs into society which will take more freedoms away. Welcome to the world of Technocracy.

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From what I have heard from nurses hospitals get extra money for labeling a death as a corona death. They may have died while having a corona in their system which many people do already. As long as there is corona in their system they can label it as a death from corona even if they didn't die from corona itself. So factor that in for numbers. What it factors down to is it is all about money and control and installing new programs into society which will take more freedoms away. Welcome to the world of Technocracy.

 

No, doctors and nurses do not get extra money for reporting the type of death, enough with the conspiracy theory rubbish.. In fact a recent study has just come out that looked at the number of deaths for the same periods last year and subtracted the number of CV-19 deaths (corrected for CV death) even with the CV deaths removed many more people have died during the pandemic.

 

If you are in America, you had better wake up to yourselves, this is not a hoax, this is not a conspiracy, this is not a joke, THIS IS SERIOUS, and so far the US is failing badly in dealing with this issue..

 

At the present rate and effectiveness in dealing with CV-19 you will be no better off in a year OR TWO or more.. 

 

Conspiracy theories like this will get MILLIONS of people killed, possibly even yourself.

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No, doctors and nurses do not get extra money for reporting the type of death, enough with the conspiracy theory rubbish.. In fact a recent study has just come out that looked at the number of deaths for the same periods last year and subtracted the number of CV-19 deaths (corrected for CV death) even with the CV deaths removed many more people have died during the pandemic.

 

If you are in America, you had better wake up to yourselves, this is not a hoax, this is not a conspiracy, this is not a joke, THIS IS SERIOUS, and so far the US is failing badly in dealing with this issue..

 

At the present rate and effectiveness in dealing with CV-19 you will be no better off in a year OR TWO or more.. 

 

Conspiracy theories like this will get MILLIONS of people killed, possibly even yourself.

It's not a conspiracy theory I am going by what the nurses I know tell me. I said HOSPITALS not doctors and nurses get extra money. If anything the nurses are getting laid off in many parts. I know a few of them in different parts of the US including my mom. Hospitals also get 39K for using a ventilator. The nurses I know have no point in making up stories.

 

The lock down will get hundreds of thousands of kids killed because people can't work and feed their families and the kids will die in starvation. How do you feel about that in spreading your fear porn?

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It's not a conspiracy theory I am going by what the nurses I know tell me. I said HOSPITALS not doctors and nurses get extra money. If anything the nurses are getting laid off in many parts. I know a few of them in different parts of the US including my mom. Hospitals also get 39K for using a ventilator. The nurses I know have no point in making up stories.

 

The lock down will get hundreds of thousands of kids killed because people can't work and feed their families and the kids will die in starvation. How do you feel about that in spreading your fear porn?

 

As fun as it is to screw with paranoid conspiracy theorists, I will reframe from doing that here just for you because frankly it's just not worth the bother, perhaps in time you'll grow and mature out of it, I hope so for your sake, and your peace of mind.

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As fun as it is to screw with paranoid conspiracy theorists, I will reframe from doing that here just for you because frankly it's just not worth the bother, perhaps in time you'll grow and mature out of it, I hope so for your sake, and your peace of mind.

You seem to be the one that is paranoid and where was a conspiracy theory made? Are you saying the nurses are making it up? And I think you are afraid to look at what's going to happen to all the people that lost there jobs and business's gone bust. There will be far more deaths from the lockdown then the corona itself.

 

And since you bring up the topic conspiracy theory. Every well trained cop and investigator know that to solve a case you must come up with some conspiracy theories on what was most likely to happen to start to connect the dots and put the pieces together to solve a case.

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So, "Whiew's the dickhid naow?", as Joss Ackland's character says in Lethal Weapon 2.  

 

My acceptance of Fauci's estimated range for the number of deaths in the US seems to be being justified by events.

 

Yours, by contrast, is already too low by a huge margin. I see no way now that the US death toll can be anything less than 80,000, and 100,000 seems quite likely once all the numbers are in. If the lockdowns are taken off too soon, we could see a second wave, to add to that.

 

Readers can draw their own conclusions about whose scientific judgement has proved to be better.

 

 

 

Looks like my estimate of 40,000 wasn’t as far off as you thought.

 

Unfortunately,  we know the number is still rising, but hopefully the trend is now downwards.

 

The number that Worldometer is using is 73,234 but that is not backed up by the CDC so bogus

 

The CDC data uses a specific code for deaths with confirmed or presumed COVID-19, coded to ICD–10 code U07.1

 

Follow this link and scroll down to Table 1 and you will see the total deaths coded to COVID-19, Code U07.1 is 44,016    as of May 6, 2020

 

I can’t insert the entire table but here is part of the data:

 

CDC NCHS

 

National Vital Statistics System

 

Table 1. Deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), pneumonia, and influenza reported to NCHS by week ending date, United States. Week ending 2/1/2020 to 5/2/2020

 

Data as of May 6, 2020

 

Week ending date in which the death occurred   COVID-19 Deaths (U07.1) Total Deaths     44,016  

 

 

Note that even that number includes presumed COVID-19 deaths but at least it isn't artificially inflated as the Worldometer number is.

 

I do have to admit my number of 40,000 was too low unfortunately. I was being hopeful and nobody saw the problem with NYC coming. 

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I do have to admit my number of 40,000 was too low unfortunately. I was being hopeful and nobody saw the problem with NYC coming. 

Did anybody see the problems with meat processing plants?  Lots of bare shelves in stores, from what I've been told.  The Tyson chicken processing plant in Portland, Maine just had 20 new cases yesterday.  Those meat cutters work elbow to elbow, so if one person is a carrier, it spreads fast.

 

I am glad to have a local supply for meat and dairy.  Very local. :yes:

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I hope you are not killing and eating your pets! :omg:  :ohdear:  :esad:

One town over there is a farm with their own slaughterhouse , butcher shop and store.  The cull cows go there, and we get our meat there,so...

 

When I was a child, I remember when a cow broke a leg, my father shot it, hung it upside down with the loader on the tractor, cut it's throat to drain the blood, then loaded it into the back of the farm truck and brought it to the processor in the next town over, then a few days later went back and picked up the boxed beef that we kept in the chest freezer.  It would last our family of 8 for about a year.

 

Today cows have to walk into the slaughter house, so cows that break a leg end up in a compost pile.

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One town over there is a farm with their own slaughterhouse , butcher shop and store.  The cull cows go there, and we get our meat there,so...

 

When I was a child, I remember when a cow broke a leg, my father shot it, hung it upside down with the loader on the tractor, cut it's throat to drain the blood, then loaded it into the back of the farm truck and brought it to the processor in the next town over, then a few days later went back and picked up the boxed beef that we kept in the chest freezer.  It would last our family of 8 for about a year.

 

Today cows have to walk into the slaughter house, so cows that break a leg end up in a compost pile.

 

I’m guessing there wouldn’t be much of an incentive, on the cow’s part, to get its broken leg set just so it could walk into the slaughterhouse.

 

That must be quite an impressive compost heap, if it can accept a whole cow. Or do you chop it up first?

 

Do you use thermophilic composting or vermicomposting? At least with the latter you get a lot of worms that can be fed to the chickens.

 

I’m asking because if this shutdown lasts any longer, I will probably take early retirement from the NOAA. The ships are all berthed and the prospects of any expeditions this year are dim.

 

I’ll either make my way back down to Key West and do the whole Hemingway thing, or maybe go into farming, or go up to Alaska and be a bush pilot.

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Looks like my estimate of 40,000 wasn’t as far off as you thought.

 

Unfortunately,  we know the number is still rising, but hopefully the trend is now downwards.

 

The number that Worldometer is using is 73,234 but that is not backed up by the CDC so bogus

 

The CDC data uses a specific code for deaths with confirmed or presumed COVID-19, coded to ICD–10 code U07.1

 

Follow this link and scroll down to Table 1 and you will see the total deaths coded to COVID-19, Code U07.1 is 44,016    as of May 6, 2020

 

I can’t insert the entire table but here is part of the data:

 

CDC NCHS

 

National Vital Statistics System

 

Table 1. Deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), pneumonia, and influenza reported to NCHS by week ending date, United States. Week ending 2/1/2020 to 5/2/2020

 

Data as of May 6, 2020

 

Week ending date in which the death occurred   COVID-19 Deaths (U07.1) Total Deaths     44,016  

 

 

Note that even that number includes presumed COVID-19 deaths but at least it isn't artificially inflated as the Worldometer number is.

 

I do have to admit my number of 40,000 was too low unfortunately. I was being hopeful and nobody saw the problem with NYC coming. 

The CDC agrees with the worldometer data https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html#accordion-1-collapse-3 at least it does on this page, In your your link above it states the numbers are only provisional. ie they are likely lagging behind the true picture.

 

 

 

 

I’m asking because if this shutdown lasts any longer, I will probably take early retirement from the NOAA. The ships are all berthed and the prospects of any expeditions this year are dim.

 

I’ll either make my way back down to Key West and do the whole Hemingway thing, or maybe go into farming, or go up to Alaska and be a bush pilot.

 

Given the chance of early retirement, with enough money, why would you want to carry on working?

Gardening can be hard work, farming is harder, and doesnt pay well, be careful what you dream of doing when you retire :)

 

If you still want to be on the water, I bet there are some cheap cruising boats going in the states soon, due to the Caribbean lock down and restrictions on travel.

If the Caribbean boats are forced to return to the states, they wont like the mooring costs, and will sell at knock down prices.

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The CDC agrees with the worldometer data https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html#accordion-1-collapse-3 at least it does on this page, In your your link above it states the numbers are only provisional. ie they are likely lagging behind the true picture.

 

I linked to data from a US government agency, namely the National Center for Health Statistics, National Vital Statistics System; which data uses a specific code for deaths with confirmed or presumed COVID-19, based on actual death certificates, coded to ICD–10 code U07.1

 

The so-called CDC data you are showing is really just a copy of stats they are using from the Worldometer website, which has deaths almost twice as high as the numbers from the National Vital Statistics System, and these numbers are being used to instill fear into the American public to justify continued shutdowns.

 

The question is, who runs the Worldometer website? I cannot find the answer to this but I suspect it is tied to mainstream media in some way. One thing is sure; it is not run by any government agency.

 

In fact, this message is displayed on that website:

 

Worldometer is run by an international team of developers, researchers, and volunteers with the goal of making world statistics available in a thought-provoking and time relevant format to a wide audience around the world. It is published by a small and independent digital media company based in the United States. We have no political, governmental, or corporate affiliation.

 

So, who are they and why is mainstream media and even one page on CDC site using their data?

 

 

 

Given the chance of early retirement, with enough money, why would you want to carry on working?
 
Gardening can be hard work, farming is harder, and doesnt pay well, be careful what you dream of doing when you retire :)
 
If you still want to be on the water, I bet there are some cheap cruising boats going in the states soon, due to the Caribbean lock down and restrictions on travel.
 
If the Caribbean boats are forced to return to the states, they wont like the mooring costs, and will sell at knock down prices.

 

 

I have my eye on a small hotel, bar and restaurant in Key West that also has a dock where I can tie up a charter fishing or diving boat. But I am also a licensed pilot and have flown in Alaska before so, who knows  :shrugs:  but this looks like the right time to make a move.

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I have my eye on a small hotel, bar and restaurant in Key West that also has a dock where I can tie up a charter fishing or diving boat. But I am also a licensed pilot and have flown in Alaska before so, who knows  :shrugs:  but this looks like the right time to make a move.

 

The tables need to to be spaced 2 metres so profits will be halved and it messes with drinking beer when you are wearing a face mask. charter fishing sounds good, or maybe diving as long as you are not sharing a regulator with a corona virus infected symptomless corona spreader.

 

If you are flying Alaska and your passengers cough; kick em out of the door, parachutes extra$$$ :)

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Based on my earlier estimate and the https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ figures today. I am going to revise my guess from 80000 dead in the usa to 120000 dead. There are currently more than 1 million positively confirmed cases.3% of whom will die based on conservative estimates. The number of infections does not appear to have slowed. In England the Johnson is leading the country, in America the Trump is losing the plot, both names not meant to be complimentary in either language :)

 

There isnt much corona virus in Alaska

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