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Ok was waiting for this graph to be updated, now it is with data till 29.3. It is just the number of weekly deaths independent of cause in Switzerland (from the governamental statistcs office).
https://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/en/home/statistics/health/state-health/mortality-causes-death.html
This shows the dark numbbers:
according to this link:https://interactif.tdg.ch/2020/covid-19-carte-suisse/

there were 216 deaths attributed to corona that week (23.-29. March)

Taking csv from first link one has:

Ending Week Age upperB extrapol lowerB

 

29.03.2020 13; 65+ 1262 1435.1 1086

 

         

That yields 173 more deaths recorded than the upper bound.

Or 261 more than the average (mean of bounds).

So it looks like the higher number of deaths actually corresponds to the cases attributed to corona. And hence the dark numbers are not so dark in Switzerland.

But I am skeptic how it will look next week, seeing num bers in second link

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But please, don't .  City people always bring their troubles with them and the countryside vanishes.  First they complain about the dusty and muddy roads and demand pavement, then they complain about

Ocean, this is kinda wrong to blame on chinese, it could have happened anywhere and anytime. Let me explain by copy-pasting a reply of a friend of mine to a fb-petition asking to ban live animal marke

While I agree that we are all going to be infected at some time or other, I don't agree with your statement that there is a 3% mortality rate average over the entire population. There is no way that a

Ok was waiting for this graph to be updated, now it is with data till 29.3. It is just the number of weekly deaths independent of cause in Switzerland (from the governamental statistcs office).

https://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/en/home/statistics/health/state-health/mortality-causes-death.html

This shows the dark numbbers:

according to this link:https://interactif.tdg.ch/2020/covid-19-carte-suisse/

 

there were 216 deaths attributed to corona that week (23.-29. March)

 

Taking csv from first link one has:

Ending Week Age upperB extrapol lowerB

 

29.03.2020 13; 65+ 1262 1435.1 1086

 

         

That yields 173 more deaths recorded than the upper bound.

 

Or 261 more than the average (mean of bounds).

 

So it looks like the higher number of deaths actually corresponds to the cases attributed to corona. And hence the dark numbers are not so dark in Switzerland.

 

But I am skeptic how it will look next week, seeing num bers in second link

 

 

By coincidence, I have just come across this site, which has some interesting facts on Switzerland.

 

The second paragraph relates directly to what you are reporting on. A severe influenza, as was seen in 2017, resulted in 1500 additional deaths in the first six weeks of the year. That works out to 250/week; not far off from what you are seeing in your numbers. So is this pandemic so much worse that we need to resort to lock downs and other draconian measures to contain it?

 

Here are the quotes from the mentioned site, updated as of April 7:

 

"The first Swiss hospitals have to announce short-time work due to the very low capacity utilization: „The staff in all departments has too little to do and has reduced overtime in a first step. Now short-time work is also being registered. The financial consequences are severe.“ As a reminder, a study by ETH Zurich based on largely unrealistic assumptions predicted the first bottlenecks in Swiss clinics by April 2. So far this has not happened anywhere"

 

"In Switzerland, there was a pronounced wave of influenza at the beginning of 2017. At that time, there were almost 1500 additional deaths in the over 65-year-old population in the first six weeks of the year. Normally, around 1300 people die in Switzerland every year as a result of pneumonia, 95% of whom are over 65 years old. By comparison, a total of 762 deaths with (not caused by) Covid19 are currently reported in Switzerland"

(913 as of today April 9, from this site)

 

"An important distinction concerns the question of whether people die only with or indeed from corona viruses. Autopsies show that in many cases the previous illnesses were a more important factor, but the official figures usually do not reflect this"

 

As a matter of fact, Italy admits to not distinguishing between deaths FROM and deaths WITH the virus.

 

Same thing in New York City; what they are doing is recording every hospital death, regardless of cause, as a covid death, as long as the deceased tested positive for coronavirus.

 

I am still asking WTF is going on, and not getting any good answers from anywhere.

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A couple of interesting articles in my inbox, that might be of interest to people.

 

 

Hydroxychloroquine is not effective for treating coronavirus, according to small trial

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-04-hydroxychloroquine-effective-coronavirus-small-trial.html?utm_source=nwletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=weekly-nwletter

 

 

COVID-19: On average, only 6% of actual infections detected worldwide

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-04-covid-average-actual-infections-worldwide.html?utm_source=nwletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=weekly-nwletter

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Putting this into perspective about 500 000 people die each year on average. There will be a blip of < 20% in the stats. 

 

Are you allowing for any overlap in those numbers?

I mean, of the 500,000 who die every year, how many of them who will would die anyway, due to old age and other conditions, be swept up in the 90,000 whose deaths are attributed to corona? I suspect it could be a quite high percaentage of the 90,000, meaning the total deaths will not be much higher than normal.

Or am I wrong?

One thing I have noticed is there is a reduction of deaths due to traffic accidents.  We had become used to seeing an ambulance go by the farm two or three times per day, but since the social distancing started, I have only seen an ambulance go by once in the last three weeks!

 

It was my understanding that the goal of shutting things down was simply to keep the healthcare system from becoming overwhelmed.  We will still see the same total number of  infected, but they would be spread out over time, easing the strain on the system.

 

I have been hearing doctors complain about the system for years, but it seems more doctors are being pushed to the brink by this outbreak. I listened to one doctor recently complaining about how hospitals are run by CEOs who have no medical experience.  I hear about nurses who feel like they are being treated as expendable.

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There was a big protest in Ohio today. Lots of people out there without masks protesting the lockdown. Even a nurse that said she was laid off from the hospital because of hardly any patients. Anybody else see that today? People are starting to get fed up and what else are they to do when they can't work and pay any of their bills? Especially when it's not hard to see this is all a fabrication.

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A couple of interesting articles in my inbox, that might be of interest to people.

 

 

Hydroxychloroquine is not effective for treating coronavirus, according to small trial

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-04-hydroxychloroquine-effective-coronavirus-small-trial.html?utm_source=nwletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=weekly-nwletter

 

 

COVID-19: On average, only 6% of actual infections detected worldwide

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-04-covid-average-actual-infections-worldwide.html?utm_source=nwletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=weekly-nwletter

Well if only 6 percent of infections are only detected world wide then it isn't as bad as they are making it out to be. Most people barely even get any symptoms.

 

I know they have 10's of pages saying in a Google search there is no connection to 5G and they are deleting people on YouTube for saying it. Which leads me to think their is some connection to 5G with this. It seems they don't even want anybody to have a debate about it and seem to be hiding something. When they are trying to debunk something so bad it means they are hiding something. That is what I find usually in my research anyway. If you don't use Google but you use DuckDuckGoGo you can find some very intriguing articles on the connection that can be made with the 5G and Corona. Google blocks the articles making the connections. It may be that the 5G intensifies it well and knocks down the immune systems on entities.

 

I would advise if you live in a big city to move out and get as far in the country as you can. That is the best advice I think to give to people.

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There was a big protest in Ohio today. Lots of people out there without masks protesting the lockdown. Even a nurse that said she was laid off from the hospital because of hardly any patients. Anybody else see that today? People are starting to get fed up and what else are they to do when they can't work and pay any of their bills? Especially when it's not hard to see this is all a fabrication.

 

It was only a matter of time

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It was only a matter of time

There is going to be a drive by protest in Michigan either today or tomorrow. I am glad people are finally standing up for their freedoms but I am sure that people that live in fear of the virus see it differently. :lol:

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I would advise if you live in a big city to move out and get as far in the country as you can. That is the best advice I think to give to people.

But please, don't .  City people always bring their troubles with them and the countryside vanishes.  First they complain about the dusty and muddy roads and demand pavement, then they complain about the noises and odors from the farms and the farm machinery on the roads.  Then they want sidewalks and bigger, fancier schools, and it goes on and on.  City people are not cut out for country living!

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But please, don't .  City people always bring their troubles with them and the countryside vanishes.  First they complain about the dusty and muddy roads and demand pavement, then they complain about the noises and odors from the farms and the farm machinery on the roads.  Then they want sidewalks and bigger, fancier schools, and it goes on and on.  City people are not cut out for country living!

:hammer2:  :lol:  :lol: 

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But the country people are just Pagans. :lol:

 

What have you got against Pagans ? 

 

"Pagan comes from a Latin word paganus, meaning villager, rustic, civilian, and itself comes from a pāgus which refers to a small unit of land in a rural district."

 

The word is now used to mean something disaproved of

pagan

/ˈpeɪɡ(ə)n/
 
noun
 
  1. a person holding religious beliefs other than those of the main world religions.
    "a Muslim majority had to live in close proximity to large communities of Christians and pagans"
     
    •  
adjective
 
  1. relating to pagans or their beliefs.
    "a pagan god"
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So, I went to the hospital today. This is a Huge hospital, capable of taking care of thousands of patients. I just went to get a two-month supply of the meds I need to take for my service-connected disabilities, mainly related to disability from severe burns.

 

This isn’t a VA hospital; thanks to President Trump, Vets now have the choice to visit other hospitals and at no charge if it is for service-connected conditions.

 

Anyway, it is Huge and normally crowded, but today it was almost empty. There were checks at the door, hand washing, masks and temperature checks, but not a problem.

 

I saw my Dr and did not have to wait at all, as the large waiting room was empty.

I asked him “How many covid patients do you have here”

He didn’t want to answer, but we are like old friends so he told me, in hushed tones ‘We have ten covid patients. One was on a ventilator for three days but he is OK now and going home soon.”

 

I just nodded and didn’t say anything.

 

At the cashier, there are many chairs and usually many people waiting. Today, there was no one else but me. I signed my papers and received my meds and was on my way.

 

On the way out I may have spotted at the most 5 or 6 other patients walking around, not covid.

 

This hospital must be losing many thousands of dollars every day.

There are NO patients!

 

I am not going to name the hospital or the city, but it is in a State not far from upstate New York.

 

So, NYC is overflowing with dead bodies and this hospital has no patients?

 

I know a Lot of people, both professionally and socially and I don’t know a single person who has or has had covid.

Not a single person with a confirmed case.  Draw your own conclusions, I have drawn mine.

 

 

 

 

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