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But isn't Nano-technology chips but just virtually impossible to see because they are so tiny? So you mean Biological augmentation kind of like a cyborg? Something like the Robo-cop or the Terminator?

 

I agree and the chip thing is a very bad idea. But I can just see these younger kids all getting them just like they run each other over for a new IPhone every year. Although the question is how would they continue to make money on the chip? Maybe every year or 2 you would pay for an upgrade. Kind of makes you wonder why the big push from 4G to 5G. As if are brains aren't already fried enough already.lol!

I mean Genetic Engineering and Nano-machines when I say Biological Augmentation and Nano-technological Augmentation because the odds of a hacker gaining control of such things is very small, nothing that connects to the central nervous system basically.

 

 

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I mean Genetic Engineering and Nano-machines when I say Biological Augmentation and Nano-technological Augmentation because the odd of a hacker gaining control of such things is very small, nothing that connects to the central nervous system basically.

 

 

 

So when you say Genetic Engineering does that mean splicing your genes and DNA with maybe a Hawk for flying, A Cheetah for speed and a Lion for strength? So you could fly like a hawk have a speed of a Cheetah and the strength of a Lion all with human intelligence. I heard somewhere that they did those types of things in Atlantis and they were engineering all kinds of monsters with that combination. And they could some how harness your consciousness and place it in one of these creations. Do you think you could be possibly remembering a past life? Hence just look at Thoth for a weird combination.lol!

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So when you say Genetic Engineering does that mean splicing your genes and DNA with maybe a Hawk for flying, A Cheetah for speed and a Lion for strength? So you could fly like a hawk have a speed of a Cheetah and the strength of a Lion all with human intelligence. I heard somewhere that they did those types of things in Atlantis and they were engineering all kinds of monsters with that combination. And they could some how harness your consciousness and place it in one of these creations. Do you think you could be possibly remembering a past life? Hence just look at Thoth for a weird combination.lol!

Of course, whatever genes that add to the human body desirable traits(http://www.scienceforums.com/topic/35250-phage-augmented-white-blood-cells/,http://www.scienceforums.com/topic/36033-the-furry-metamorphic-vector/, and http://www.scienceforums.com/topic/36256-longevity-vaccine/).

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I do believe entanglement plays a role, in a way, I am leaning towards the notion that there is no individuality... In fact, a student of Schrodinger mathematically argued this, his name was Ludvik Bass.

 

After a couple of drinks and sleeping on the content of the links we posted. There are various ways to rationalize how people can appear to acquire fragmented memories from dead people. Obviously the people believe what they claim, and assuming they were not actors. I noted the Irish lady telling part of a story and then the old fella filling in the rest of the story. That might be like a con. But when you take into account, her mothers statements, the old fellas, and her own. Assuming they are not actors, which in this day and age of bullshit media stories promoted as fact is a strong possibility. It leaves the ideas I was kicking about for amusement, ref entanglement to another dimension :) I could not see how memories could be passed, not even fragmented memories, between brains, so opted for essence  :beer-fresh:  I think you may have hit on the only philosophical solution. :sherlock: Which is memories are not stored in the brain, they are stored in space. What we perceive as local memory effects caused by us are in fact non local they are not stored in our skulls directly. Space retains a memory of what has passed, not unlike emergent gravity :) Space may retain memories of every neuron flashing in our skull, are those flashes driven by a connection with space, or are they driven by the brain. In this case the body would be just a vessel for a soul, which moves from A to B like Hinduism, Buddhism, etc through transmigration, reincarnation etc It might not experience time outside of a body :innocent:

 

I will read your link later, it looked heavily philosophical :out: and I need a coffee, before reading anything like that.

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After a couple of drinks and sleeping on the content of the links we posted. There are various ways to rationalize how people can appear to acquire fragmented memories from dead people. Obviously the people believe what they claim, and assuming they were not actors. I noted the Irish lady telling part of a story and then the old fella filling in the rest of the story. That might be like a con. But when you take into account, her mothers statements, the old fellas, and her own. Assuming they are not actors, which in this day and age of bullshit media stories promoted as fact is a strong possibility. It leaves the ideas I was kicking about for amusement, ref entanglement to another dimension :) I could not see how memories could be passed, not even fragmented memories, between brains, so opted for essence  :beer-fresh:  I think you may have hit on the only philosophical solution. :sherlock: Which is memories are not stored in the brain, they are stored in space. What we perceive as local memory effects caused by us are in fact non local they are not stored in our skulls directly. Space retains a memory of what has passed, not unlike emergent gravity :) Space may retain memories of every neuron flashing in our skull, are those flashes driven by a connection with space, or are they driven by the brain. In this case the body would be just a vessel for a soul, which moves from A to B like Hinduism, Buddhism, etc through transmigration, reincarnation etc It might not experience time outside of a body :innocent:

 

I will read your link later, it looked heavily philosophical :out: and I need a coffee, before reading anything like that.

 

Exactly! Akashic Records.... It seems when we come down to this 3D dense physical world there is a Veil and it is hard to tap into the Akashic records. But it can be done with practice through meditation. That is one way you can find out your past lives and probably even future lives because time is not linear. Nor does time really exist.

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I am pretty sure someone must have thought of this already, but could it be that information in space controls the neurons of the brain, rather than our brains generating electrical signals to cause neurons to flash which we can detect. This might be a serious possibility, what does anyone think. Extending it any living thing with neurons flashing on and off, might also be responding in the same way, including bacteria.

 

Entanglement effects are being seriously considered a serious possibility for the additional gravitational effects attributed to dark matter. Why not information held on a membrane affecting absolutely affecting everything. 

 

Taking into account the now proven non locality effects of the double slit experiment. Future measuring events affecting past events between entangled photons. There could be a lot more to this than meets the eye, or perhaps it already has, I just dont know about it yet.   :unsure:  :unsure:

 

Perhaps local physics is coming to end, should we be thinking everything is governed by non local effects at the fundamental level. Emergent Gravity, Emergent Time. Emergent Inertia maybe. how is SED linked at all. ****! now I have confused myself.

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JOURNAL ARTICLE

The mind of Wigner's friend

Ludvik Bass

Hermathena

No. 112 (Autumn 1971), pp. 52-68

Published by: Trinity College Dublin

https://www.jstor.org/stable/23040667

Page Count: 17

 

This link is not as boring as I thought, "The internal coherence of quantum mechanics demands explicit note to be taken of non matter" I will take some time reading it. 

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I am pretty sure someone must have thought of this already, but could it be that information in space controls the neurons of the brain, rather than our brains generating electrical signals to cause neurons to flash which we can detect. This might be a serious possibility, what does anyone think. Extending it any living thing with neurons flashing on and off, might also be responding in the same way, including bacteria.

 

Entanglement effects are being seriously considered a serious possibility for the additional gravitational effects attributed to dark matter. Why not information held on a membrane affecting absolutely affecting everything. 

 

Taking into account the now proven non locality effects of the double slit experiment. Future measuring events affecting past events between entangled photons. There could be a lot more to this than meets the eye, or perhaps it already has, I just dont know about it yet.   :unsure:  :unsure:

 

Perhaps local physics is coming to end, should we be thinking everything is governed by non local effects at the fundamental level. Emergent Gravity, Emergent Time. Emergent Inertia maybe. how is SED linked at all. ****! now I have confused myself.

I completely disagree with this there is no way that entanglement effect have any effect on neurons nor the information of space, it is governed by electromagnetism. Think about the requirements for entanglement none of those requirements are met in the human brain or in the neurons. As for the information of space your neurons are made up of matter it does not matter what gravitational effects happen or what happens in the space around the neurons the charges will still behave the same in the brain.

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I am pretty sure someone must have thought of this already, but could it be that information in space controls the neurons of the brain, rather than our brains generating electrical signals to cause neurons to flash which we can detect. This might be a serious possibility, what does anyone think. Extending it any living thing with neurons flashing on and off, might also be responding in the same way, including bacteria.

 

Entanglement effects are being seriously considered a serious possibility for the additional gravitational effects attributed to dark matter. Why not information held on a membrane affecting absolutely affecting everything. 

 

Taking into account the now proven non locality effects of the double slit experiment. Future measuring events affecting past events between entangled photons. There could be a lot more to this than meets the eye, or perhaps it already has, I just dont know about it yet.   :unsure:  :unsure:

 

Perhaps local physics is coming to end, should we be thinking everything is governed by non local effects at the fundamental level. Emergent Gravity, Emergent Time. Emergent Inertia maybe. how is SED linked at all. ****! now I have confused myself.

 

Well I think looking at what the ancients had to say is very enlightening:

 

M. Anant Bhakti: “Hiranyagarbha is variously translated as the Golden Egg, Golden Embryo … also called ‘Sutratma,’ the string-shaped consciousness (Atman) … Sutras mean ‘strings’ … accurate to regard sutras as strings with encoded program. According to Sanskrit scholars, sutra literally means ‘that which generates something.’ … Hiranyagarbha or the string field … that, along with consciousness, pervades the universe is also called VYOMA (ether).”

https://www.ancient-origins.net/opinion/colony-earth-science-vedas-part-1-00568

 

I think what that is saying the whole universe is conscious and consciousness. When we come down to the earth we are like a drop of water leaving the ocean. We lose a bit of connection but we are still consciousness..

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I completely disagree with this there is no way that entanglement effect have any effect on neurons nor the information of space, it is governed by electromagnetism. Think about the requirements for entanglement none of those requirements are met in the human brain or in the neurons. As for the information of space your neurons are made up of matter it does not matter what gravitational effects happen or what happens in the space around the neurons the charges will still behave the same in the brain.

 

Let me ask you this. Does the internet still exist without a computer? Does electric still exist without a light bulb? Just ponder on that for a little.

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Let me ask you this. Does the internet still exist without a computer? Does electric still exist without a light bulb? Just ponder on that for a little.

No, the internet does not exist without computers as it is hosted on many computers without a computer there would be no internet. As for electric without a light bulb, electric would still be there just that the device that turns it into light would be missing.

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I completely disagree with this there is no way that entanglement effect have any effect on neurons nor the information of space, it is governed by electromagnetism. Think about the requirements for entanglement none of those requirements are met in the human brain or in the neurons. As for the information of space your neurons are made up of matter it does not matter what gravitational effects happen or what happens in the space around the neurons the charges will still behave the same in the brain.

Electromagnetism and entanglement are inextricably linked

 

I am not a biologist nor do I profess to have any knowledge on the subject.

 

Gravity and Time are due to the substance of space, the long distances forces attributed to dark matter can also be explained by entanglement. If Entire solar systems are affected by entanglement suns separated by parsecs for example. Then with a bottle of wine down my neck I saw no reason not to extrapolate to a neuron, which is a group of cells. 

 

The charges on neurons in the brain are still affected by gravity, ie by the substance of space! Space transmits all all the electromagnetic forces. All matter appeared out of space and would likely have been entangled prior to the big bang, like some bose einstein condensate.. 

 

I accept neurons are the inputs and outputs for the brain, they are not the main control system. The Hippocampus correct me if I am wrong, is like the CPU of the brain. The electrical impulses transmitted by the neurons are transcieved by the Hippocampus. This is also the area of the brain that deals with memories and emotions, all things claimed to be experienced by those with past life memories. So assuming they are not deluded or actors. Would the hippocampus fit the bill for a connection with a soul if one exists. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3548359/ or wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocampus

 

The concept of space retaining memories of past and future events, is not a new one. Non Locality is a proven fact of quantum mechanics. Past and future events can and do affect each other at the quantum level, observed in entangled particles. It seems now that dark matter effects can be explained by entanglement providing an additional long range force. 

 

Should have held at, essence  :beer-fresh: are sentient ghosts, astral projection, out of body experiences a step too far? :sherlock:  

 

 

Let me ask you this. Does the internet still exist without a computer? Does electric still exist without a light bulb? Just ponder on that for a little.

 

Victor is right, but space can be considered to be a massive interconnected neural network transmitting all forces. The way those forces are transmitted is not 100% clear. Those forces are not transmitted by equations, ultimately they are transmitted by virtual particle exchanges.  

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Careful, because some take non locality as meaning something local is not happening, when really I am in the Einstein camp, or any deterministic camp, non locality is just a misunderstanding or incompleteness to the model of quantum mechanics - it will weave space together so I agree, there is an underlying relationship, but in essence this relationship can be simplified to the dynamics of the system, just as dark matter can be attributed to the local dynamics of the typical spiral galaxy.

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Careful, because some take non locality as meaning something local is not happening, when really I am in the Einstein camp, or any deterministic camp, non locality is just a misunderstanding or incompleteness to the model of quantum mechanics - it will weave space together so I agree, there is an underlying relationship, but in essence this relationship can be simplified to the dynamics of the system, just as dark matter can be attributed to the local dynamics of the typical spiral galaxy.

Is that a wrong opinion, can you still justify that position? No loop hole tests on the double slit experiment, have proven non local effects. Are you disagreeing with these. Or are you suggesting an additional none space time dimension to explain them. Space time membrane perhaps or wormholes. :) Is it not okay to say both non local and local effects interact across space and time, via a ??? membrane. Still not finished reading your previous link. 

 

Would anyone like to summarize the previous pages, or speculate. Is the consciousness/soul connected to space via entanglement? Does it exist as part of the body or in space time, or could it exist in both space time and membrane. 

 

I am using the word membrane as a general box to connect points A and B without going through space time. This could of course be complete crap, if so please provide evidence. 

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