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3 hours ago, tonylang said:

This photosynthetic antenna complex is the naturally occurring molecular structure responsible for the photosynthetic non-classical conduction observed in living plant cells via natural entanglement.

Have you looked into "fractal functions" for efficient bandwidth reception and the "microtubule networks" for processing photosynthesis in plants?

Plant Cell Architecture: Growth Toward A Light Source

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The cytoskeleton undergirding each cell includes an array of tubule-shaped protein fibers called microtubules. By directing cell growth and development, this scaffold is crucial for supporting important plant functions such as photosynthesis, nutrient gathering, and reproduction.

https://carnegiescience.edu/news/plant-cell-architecture-growth-toward-light-source#

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Oh no. This Tony lang person has been writing an incomprehensible and utterly unscientific blog about entropy for two and a half years on sciforums: http://www.sciforums.com/threads/entropy-vs-anti-en

This thread has very little to do with Biology and is at best very tenuously Philosophy. Moving this to the Philosophy Forum, and if it does not gain much general interest due to it's lack of focus, t

I am not so sure about that.  Whoever or more likely whatever is posting this has not responded in any way to any of the comments made by myself or others over the last two years.  I assume it is some

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Thanks for the interesting guidance. The search is not for any particular host or species  construction mechanism, but rather, for the entanglement molecule (EM) which instantiates ones position of view, your presence within whatever host form you may have. The EM is hypothesized to be a primordial arrangement of atoms which naturally establishes a shared information state, an entangled state with a form of matter which exists outside of this space-time, in Hilbert-space. The EM is made entirely of baryonic matter and is the Alice of this entangled pair. The EM, properly implemented in living hosts, is the most fundamental corporeal, physical component involved in the natural entanglement process. All other entities which participate in the instantiation process do so via the EM. As the molecules of ferrite in an electronic transceiver device interact with the electromagnetic spectrum, so too does the EM interact with the quantum entanglement spectrum to entangle the non-local weakly interacting cosmic background Bose condensate (WICBBC) of metamatter.

 

Today it is suspected that gravity is as weak as observed in this space-time because it too exists partially or mostly outside of this space-time. However, gravity like all known standard-model forces is governed and constrained by the laws of relativity, and its effect is therefore limited at or below the speed of light in this space-time. Consequently, changes in the suns' gravitational influence, for example, take 8 minutes to reach the Earth just as does the suns' light. The only phenomenon known to science which demonstrates behavior which essentially subverts the current laws of relativity is entanglement, a type of quantum coherence. Natural entanglement is quantum entanglement implemented by natural structures like the Fenna-Matthews-Olson (FMO) complex or by the hypothesized entanglement molecule and is utilized in nature to great effect. Life is one such effect. 

 

So what might be the origins and structure of the entanglement molecule? For starters, it is most likely to have originated from among a finite number of known interstellar molecules. These are molecules formed from stellar or interstellar processes rather than within evolved ecosystems.  There is a good chance that whatever the structure of the entanglement molecule may have been prior to the emergence of life on Earth it may have since been transformed and incorporated into cellular structures such as in the DNA molecule or in the FMO complex. Much of the DNA molecule remains unknown to modern science and is sometimes referred to as DNA dark-matter. This suggests that, like interstellar dark-matter, DNA dark-matter is also undefined.

 

Nonetheless, this significant unknown portion of the molecule most influential to Earth-life must be of primary interest in the search for the entanglement molecule; But what to look for? In this endeavor, scrutiny may begin with the structure of the FMO complex, cross-referenced with types of known primordial molecules.

 

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I hope this may be of interest;

Consciousness as a State of Matter

 
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Max Tegmark (MIT)
We examine the hypothesis that consciousness can be understood as a state of matter, "perceptronium", with distinctive information processing abilities. We explore five basic principles that may distinguish conscious matter from other physical systems such as solids, liquids and gases: the information, integration, independence, dynamics and utility principles. If such principles can identify conscious entities, then they can help solve the quantum factorization problem: why do conscious observers like us perceive the particular Hilbert space factorization corresponding to classical space (rather than Fourier space, say), and more generally, why do we perceive the world around us as a dynamic hierarchy of objects that are strongly integrated and relatively independent? Tensor factorization of matrices is found to play a central role, and our technical results include a theorem about Hamiltonian separability (defined using Hilbert-Schmidt superoperators) being maximized in the energy eigenbasis. Our approach generalizes Giulio Tononi's integrated information framework for neural-network-based consciousness to arbitrary quantum systems, and we find interesting links to error-correcting codes, condensed matter criticality, and the Quantum Darwinism program, as well as an interesting connection between the emergence of consciousness and the emergence of time.

 

https://arxiv.org/abs/1401.1219
And the paper which suggests the existence of "perceptronium" and "computronium".
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The hypothesis has been presented for first time in 2014 by the theoretical physicist Max Tegmark; he suggested that there is a new state of matter, just like solid, liquid, and aeriform states, in which atoms process information, give rise to subjectivity and, ultimately, to consciousness. He proposed the name “perceptronium“ for this new state of matter [8](Figure 3). The supported argument starts from the following assumptions: generations of physicists and chemists studied what happens when a large number of atoms meets, finding that their collective behavior depends on how they are disposed. The key difference between a solid, a liquid or a gas is not in the type of considered atoms, but in their disposition. According to Tegmark, there would be no particular physical areas of perceptronium in the brain (that moving in blood leads to a sense of self-awareness), rather the consciousness could be interpreted as result of a particular set of mathematical conditions. Various forms of consciousness might arise just as conditions for the creation of different states of matter (such as steam, water and ice). It is necessary to understand what is needed to produce these different states of consciousness, according to observable and measurable conditions. This idea has been inspired by the work of neuroscientist Giulio Tononi, who in 2008 proposed the “Integrated Information Theory“ (IIT), in which he indicated possible ways to highlight the characteristics of consciousness: a) a conscious being must be able to store, process and recall large amounts of information;
b) this information must be integrated into a unified set, so that it is impossible to divide it into independent parts [9].

 

 

Computronium and perceptronium. 
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Computronium-and-perceptronium_fig2_326119266
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These are very interesting and potentially relevant thesis since the LINE hypothesized entanglement molecule (EM) may very well describe a new or unfamiliar state of an already familiar molecule. After all what are states of matter except the emergent dynamics of molecular electronegativity and valence potentials etc. While our perception of the emergent physical state of the EM is interesting on some level, it is in the functional position eigenstate that is the antenna state called the POV that the EM instantiates and maintains for a lifetime that is most significant.  

Moreover, the only life that has ever existed on Earth is the living cell. The lesser point being submitted for your collective consideration is that such attributes as consciousness, self-awareness, sentience, intelligence etc.,  concepts already defined by others, are emergent skills or capabilities arbitrarily ascribed by observers  to particular emerged composite hosts (with EC) and therefore cannot be fundamental to natures’ basic implementation of life. Currently and for billions of years on earth  %99.99… of living hosts for life were and continue to be either single cell individuals or non-emerged (no EC) collections thereof. To truly understand what life is and the mobility of its fundamental component; individuality, and the natural principles that govern and influence its instantiation, we need consider only the single living cell. Viewed as an individual, a property traditionally ascribed only to human beings, the single living cell forces us to come to conclusions we never would with our usual limited perspective.

The LINE hypothesis suggests that the first person position-of-view we refer to as individuality (Life) in this universe has emerged from a very basic natural phenomenon, namely natural quantum entanglement, a property of a naturally occurring molecule. Clearly like all other phenomenon or processes or reactions involving groups of atoms and molecules these can also be categorized as being chemical in nature. 

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Moreover, the only life that has ever existed on Earth is the living cell.

I am still not quite sure where you are going with this, but being that "living cell" and the "olfactory system" have been mentioned, I believe this may be of interest in relation to "shared and common denominators" in ALL living organisms on earth.

This pertains to the role microtubules (MT) play in living organisms on earth. The MT (and its 2 related organelles) is a common denominator in all Eukaryotic organisms and forms the axonal information transport system of all sensory and homeostatic neural processes.

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Tubulin in molecular biology can refer either to the tubulin protein superfamily of globular proteins, or one of the member proteins of that superfamily. α- and β-tubulins polymerize into microtubules, a major component of the eukaryotic cytoskeleton.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tubulin

Olfactory cilia are built on evolved MT neural organization and transmission. They are self-organizing and self-regulating  bi-polar coils consisting of only two tubulin proteins in a very simple mathematical organization which are currently being studied by Stuart Hameroff and Roger Penrose in their proposed ORCH OR Hypothesis.

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Olfactory Cilia are located along the upper surface of the inside of the nasal passages. These hair-like receptor cells respond to chemical stimuli that have dissolved in the nasal mucus. Olfactory cilia are constantly replaced, an ability not characteristic of the other sensory receptors.

https://psych.athabascau.ca/html/Psych402/Biotutorials/30/cilia.shtml#

Aside from H2O, microtubules may be the oldest and most abundant common denominator in all living systems. They are already present in bacteria such as the single celled Paramecium. Humans have several trillion MT which perform an incredible variety of information transmission functions including mitosis.

Paramecium Diagram by Deuterostome [CC BY-SA 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0)], from Wikimedia Commons

 Cilia

 

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Cilia refers to the multiple, small hair-like projections that cover the whole body. It is arranged in longitudinal rows with a uniform length throughout the body of the animal. This condition is called holotrichous. There are also a few longer cilia present at the posterior end of the body forming a caudal tuft of cilia, thus named caudatum.

The structure of cilia is the same as flagella, a sheath made of protoplast or plasma membrane with longitudinal nine fibrils in the form of a ring. The outer fibrils are much thicker than the inner ones with each cilium arising from a basal granule. Cilia have a diameter of 0.2um and helps in its locomotion.

 

https://www.microscopemaster.com/paramecium.html#gallery[pagegallery]/0/

and for further reference:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4588048/#

 

I might venture that without microtubules there would be no individual "You" populating the earth.

As to the universe, IMO, a nano-scale computer/machine consisting of two basic component proteins makes the MT a candidate for consideration.

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In furtherance of the Hameroff-Penrose ORCH OR hypothesis, this might apply to the question of entangled information processes.

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Orchestrated objective reduction (Orch OR) is a biological theory of mind that postulates that consciousness originates at the quantum level inside neurons, rather than the conventional view that it is a product of connections between neurons. The mechanism is held to be a quantum process called objective reduction that is orchestrated by cellular structures called microtubules. It is proposed that the theory may answer the hard problem of consciousness and provide a mechanism for free will.[1] The hypothesis was first put forward in the early 1990s by Nobel laureate for physics, Roger Penrose, and anaesthesiologist and psychologist Stuart Hameroff. The hypothesis combines approaches from molecular biology, neuroscience, pharmacology, philosophy, quantum information theory, and quantum gravity.[2][3]

 

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While mainstream theories assert that consciousness emerges as the complexity of the computations performed by cerebral neurons increases,[4][5] Orch OR posits that consciousness is based on non-computable quantum processing performed by qubits formed collectively on cellular microtubules, a process significantly amplified in the neurons.[6] The qubits are based on oscillating dipoles forming superposed resonance rings in helical pathways throughout lattices of microtubules. The oscillations are either electric, due to charge separation from London forces, or magnetic, due to electron spin—and possibly also due to nuclear spins (that can remain isolated for longer periods) that occur in gigahertz, megahertz and kilohertz frequency ranges.[2][7] Orchestration refers to the hypothetical process by which connective proteins, such as microtubule-associated proteins (MAPs), influence or orchestrate qubit state reduction by modifying the spacetime-separation of their superimposed states.[8] The latter is based on Penrose's objective-collapse theory for interpreting quantum mechanics, which postulates the existence of an objective threshold governing the collapse of quantum-states, related to the difference of the space-time curvature of these states in the universe's fine-scale structure.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orchestrated_objective_reduction

Considering that neural networks are fractals and fractals are antennas, a MT fractal antenna that is able to receive and process electro-magnetic qubits may be the secret to untangling  entangled universal information?

 

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7 hours ago, write4u said:

I am still not quite sure where you are going with this, but being that "living cell" and the "olfactory system" have been mentioned, I believe this may be of interest in relation to "shared and common denominators" in ALL living organisms on earth.

 

Every attempt to describe life and individuality that I've come across misses or ignores this question; How can life and individuality be defined within a single living cell as it must be within all emergent composite multicellular beings such as a human or any other living entities throughout this universe? This is the hard problem of life and individuality.

The hard problem in understanding fundamental life and individuality is addressed by the LINE hypothesis in recognizing that life and individuality began on Earth some 4 billion years ago in the first living proto-cells. At that time and for billions of years hence, the red-herring distractors of consciousness, selfawareness, intelligence etc. were each billions of years away from existing on Earth. The key is to realize the existence and role of a natural mechanism such as the position-of-view (POV) that instantiates individuality within the single living cell and proto-cell  in the absence of these complex emergent features. Emergent features that requires the existence of an entanglement cell (EC) which evolved much later as described in the 'Cambrian Explosion' post. 

 

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2 hours ago, write4u said:

In furtherance of the Hameroff-Penrose ORCH OR hypothesis, this might apply to the question of entangled information processes.

 

The LINE hypothesis suggests that if earth fell into the sun this afternoon, any instantiated (living) individual position-of-view (POV), like you or I or your pet lobster or any living cell, by the laws of physics of this universe, could at some point, find oneself probabilistically reinstantiated (born) to any other viable environment in this universe.  Instantiated to that habitats indigenous living host forms (species) just as each individual was previously instantiated to viable forms here on earth. This is so even if the earth is at present the only living ecosystem in this universe. One will find oneself on earth repeatedly.

The same laws of nature that instantiated your POV on earth can place you here again or elsewhere in this universe. Because the prevailing laws of physics mandate that if you can live in one viable habitat (Earth) in this universe, you can live in any other and nature does not use spacecraft for the universal mobility of individuality.


Regardless of ones’ form and its implementation, you would be as alive and as dedicated to that new singleton instance of your POV as you are to your current life. In that new life, even if you could, you would likely not imagine this life or any past instances of your POV as you apparently now can’t.

These posted descriptions of the implementation of earth's living forms, its chemical and biological process, its behaviors and its evolution etc., of human or other earth-life does not speak to this proposal. These insights are attempting to describe the only living forms we have ever seen and perhaps the only living hosts for individuality we can imagine, that being; biological earth-life. The proposal of the LINE hypothesis is that your position of view (POV), we call your individuality, is naturally universally mobile and abstracted from any form that may host your POV.

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2 hours ago, write4u said:

Considering that neural networks are fractals and fractals are antennas, a MT fractal antenna that is able to receive and process electro-magnetic qubits may be the secret to untangling  entangled universal information?

 

This line of thought sounds promising in its direction. The instantiating mechanism must be available to all life that may emerge in this universe not only within earths ecosystem. Keep in mind, the electromagnetic spectrum cannot be the basis for the non-local mobility of individuality because it does not possess the monogamistic qualities required as does the QE spectrum.

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8 hours ago, write4u said:

I might venture that without microtubules there would be no individual "You" populating the earth.

As to the universe, IMO, a nano-scale computer/machine consisting of two basic component proteins makes the MT a candidate for consideration.

Interesting...So would MT pass the proposed test of Posted October 26, 2017 (edited). That is, if you disrupted or even destroyed the MT in a living cell or organism, conceivably might that isolated action alone terminate the subject?

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5 hours ago, tonylang said:

Interesting...So would MT pass the proposed test of Posted October 26, 2017 (edited). That is, if you disrupted or even destroyed the MT in a living cell or organism, conceivably might that isolated action alone terminate the subject?

Yes,  a microtubule catastrophe  would stop mitosis (cell division) and cause near instantaneous death. The symptoms of this can be found in alzheimer disease which is due to specific microtubule catastrophe in the brain.

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(A) A normal bipolar spindle with Kin I (green) localized to the kinetochores and centrosomes, and a Kin I-depleted ‘monoastral bipolar’ spindle with an acentrosomal pole composed of microtubules of unknown origin (black). (B) A model adapted from the work of Ohi et al.[3]. KinI–ICIS complexes (green) localized to the inner centromere (light blue) might prevent improper kinetochore–microtubule attachments by destabilizing microtubules that extend past the kinetochore.

https://www.cell.com/current-biology/comments/S0960-9822(03)00736-X

Microtubule catastrophe;

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Microtubules: the basics
Microtubules are major components of the cytoskeleton. They are found in all eukaryotic cells, and they are involved in mitosis, cell motility, intracellular transport, and maintenance of cell shape. Microtubules are composed of alpha- and beta-tubulin subunits assembled into linear protofilaments. A single microtubule contains 10 to 15 protofilaments (13 in mammalian cells) that wind together to form a 24 nm wide hollow cylinder. Microtubules are structures that can rapidly grow (via polymerization) or shrink (via depolymerization) in size, depending on how many tubulin molecules they contain.
 
 

Ratios of stable and dynamic microtubule alter neuronal structure and function. (A) Healthy neurons have short and long, stable, and dynamic microtubules (B) Increased numbers of dynamic microtubules lead to increased neuronal branching, synapse retraction, and reduced axonal transport. This eventually can lead to dying-back neuropathy. (C) Hyperstable microtubules increase the diameter of the neuron, inhibit neurite outgrowth, and inhibit neuronal branching. Stable microtubule (), depolymerzing microtubule (), microtubule associated proteins (), microtubule plus end binding proteins (), mitochondria (), membranous cargo (), non-membranous cargo (), Kinesin motor (), Dynein motor (), Actin filaments (), Actin bundles (), neurotransmitters (), channels (), neurotransmitter receptors ().

Ratios of stable and dynamic microtubule alter neuronal structure and function. (A) Healthy neurons have short and long, stable, and dynamic microtubules (B) Increased numbers of dynamic microtubules lead to increased neuronal branching, synapse retraction, and reduced axonal transport. This eventually can lead to dying-back neuropathy. (C) Hyperstable microtubules increase the diameter of the neuron, inhibit neurite outgrowth, and inhibit neuronal branching. Stable microtubule (), depolymerzing microtubule (), microtubule associated proteins (), microtubule plus end binding proteins (), mitochondria (), membranous cargo (), non-membranous cargo (), Kinesin motor (), Dynein motor (), Actin filaments (), Actin bundles (), neurotransmitters (), channels (), neurotransmitter receptors ().

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Ratios-of-stable-and-dynamic-microtubule-alter-neuronal-structure-and-function-A_fig2_281621238

and for general info:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuart_Hameroff

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This is interesting material, thanks. The fine line required in the proposed search for the entanglement cell (EC) in complex hosts is subject death without damage. That is, the requirement that genuine EC disruption must not cause any other damage or systemic disruption premortem. There are a great many structures that if disrupted will perpetuate death of the subject but only by its cascading damage causing failure of other essential systems and structures which together all contribute to subject termination. Likewise the criteria for genuine entanglement molecule (EM) subject termination within single cell hosts is also death without damage. On its face it doesn't seem as though the ML meet this criteria as ML appears to initiate a cascade of damage premortem which eventually leads to subject death. ML appears to be a good candidate for initial investigation but only invasive research will tell.

 

Probing for the entanglement cell (EC) does not require physical contact with candidate cells. To the contrary, the astute investigator will quickly realize that the less physically disruptive the probing mechanism, the more progress will result from the exercise. Since the task at hand is not to disrupt any internal cellular function which could kill the cell but rather to disrupt only the heterodyning mechanism by which the EC maintain the emerged individual POV. The means of disrupting EC heterodyning are potentially numerous as the monogamy of this delicate state are unforgiving. Infiltration or only identification of the entangled state may occur by the use of appropriate entanglement witnesses such as properly tailored photonic, electronic or other nonphysical mechanisms. Of course, there is a chance that every cell is an EC. This would require a slight modification of the predictions of the theory as in such a case the heterodyned state would be far more robust than currently predicted. This is because the entangled state of emerged POV would need to survive the massive changes in cell participation as cells of the holistic host are perpetually transient.

 

Depending on the relative orientation and positioning of EC relative to other EC the probe will need to target individual candidate cells or very diminutive groups of the same. This is because it is possible that EC may have developed in close proximity or even in direct contact with each other during the gestation period of initial conception and engaged their heterodyning of their individual QEF to establish the emerged QEF and then later physically drift apart as the billions of new non-EC cells develop as the subject grows. Alternatively, the heterodyned EC may in all or some species remain in direct physical contact with other EC to maintain the heterodyning function required for emerged individuality to persist.  Therefore the probe may need to be focused down to within the diameter of a single cell and be as noninvasive as possible yet highly maneuverable as to scan many cellular diameters in rapid succession.

 

Given all of these requirements, the inventive investigator may imagine a probe not dissimilar from the polarized blue or UV laser found in a blu-ray disc player and research labs around the world as a good foundation upon which to fashion the probe for this endeavor.  The LINE hypothesis suggests that sufficient disruption of the heterodyned state of EC will deinstantiate the emerged individual even while the non-EC or even the actual EC remain instantiated, alive as individual, functional cells. With all cells of the host remaining fully functional, how is the deinstantiation of the emerged individual determined? There is expected to be a time lapse between POV termination and the first signs of the shutting down of cellular function associated with postmortem necrosis of the host body. The more immediate symptom of deinstantiation will be an alteration in species or subject-specific nervous system and brain functions. Each of such symptoms may be used separately or together to identify POV termination of the subject.

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The endeavor is to identify and locate the subjects’ hypothesized entanglement cells  via a systematic decremental process of targeted termination of candidate cells within the test subject (i.e. fruit flies),  and thereby to finally terminate a healthy subject by destroying only the subjects’ entanglement cells, while inflicting no damage to the hosts’ non-EC cells, ergo death without damage.

Today all death known to modern science is eventually forensically caused by cellular damage to structures singularly or collectively vital to host function. Such damage can invariably be determined to sufficiently disrupt conditions required for proper host function thereby resulting in the termination of the emerged individual, death. The LINE hypothesis describes death as the disentanglement between ones entanglement cells (EC) with metamatter. This results in the loss of the individual’s position-of-view (POV). Today we see only the physical symptoms of the damage to the host and we quite adequately associate these conditions with the termination of the individual. This is fine for all that we currently do. However this is not the complete description of life in this universe.

If indeed it is the sole function of the hosts’ EC to maintain life of the emerged individual and if it falls upon all other cells of the host only to maintain the environmental, internal and or external conditions for the individual’s continued function then a few interesting insights may be posed.

1-   Theoretically, terminating only an individual’s EC cells while leaving non-EC cells unaffected will result in the termination of the emerged individual while producing no damage to any system of the host, ergo death without damage.
2-   Further, effectively transplanting an individual’s EC to another viable host will result in a successful exchange of an individual’s host form.
3-   Identifying and isolating the EC will certainly aid in the identification of the hypothesized entanglement molecules.
4-   Studying the entanglement molecule could lead to untold developments and technologies.

Some creatures on earth are evolved to terminate even healthy cells once other vital cells undergo necrosis, this is usually done by the release of a chemical death signal that moves through the rest of the healthy portions of the host and cause them to terminate. For creatures that do not possess this self-destruct feature, once the emerged being dies healthy or undamaged cells of the host may continue to live on. These occurrences suggest that the emerged individual is only linked to its other, non-EC, cells of the host by a dependency or reliance upon them to maintain vital conditions for continued life. Conditions such as the need for energy, and temperature and pressure and vital chemicals that may be required by the systems of the host form for continued function. Therefore, the function of every host for life is singularly dedicated to maintaining the internal and perhaps also the external environment for continued entanglement by the hosts EC thus maintaining the individuals POV.  The POV being the composite QEF established and maintained by those same EC.
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Max Tegmark asks, "what is the difference between a live beetle and a dead beetle"?  The answer is "nothing".

It is the same constituent parts arranged in a different pattern.

 If a person is frozen to dead his body has the exact same number of molecules and cells is when it was alive. They are just arranged in an unfortunate pattern.

He proposes that the difference between living and dead is merely a matter of mathematical patterns and that life and consciousness are emergent properties, very much the same as Ice, water, and steam are emergent properties of H2O heated at various temperatures and density arrangement of the constituent H2O molecules.

IOW, there is no "elan vital", there is only mathematical arrangement with emergent results.

I like the concept of mathematical patterns. It explains why our mathematics are so effective in analyzing and predicting universal phenomena.

And as Anil Seth posits; "We create reality from the inside out as much as from the outside in."

 IOW. consciousness is not received, it is generated by our brain and neural network. i.e the physical arrangements of quarks and electrons produces an emergent quality that is not a property of the parts itself.

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At first the comprehension that ones’ first person individuality is abstracted, separate, and distinct from the evolution, development, and life of ones’ cells is a tough hurdle for the mind to overcome, even for Max. Even as it is viewed from various perspectives, and in the absence of clarifying empirical evidence, it requires some time alone in contemplation and a steely objectivity to come to realize the truth of it. However humankind has had this problem before.


It is essential to recognize that maintaining life and maintaining an emerged individuality are both essential but separate functions of living hosts. The hosting of life via natural entanglement is an evolved property of inanimate matter whereas emerged individuality (Heterodyned by EC's) is an additional evolved skill of living multi-cellular organisms. The function of the entanglement cells (EC) in complex hosts is not to establish life in a multi-cellular organism. Each cell is already alive complements of the natural entanglement by its entanglement molecules (EM). Rather the role of the EC is to instantiate individuality, establish the position-of-view as the target for experience of the emerged being. This unique composite natural entanglement with metamatter is separate and distinct from the natural entanglement established by each of the other (non-EC) living cells that comprise ones’ host body. Ergo; in nature, you are not your body. This is why you can sever an entire leg or destroy a large portion of your brain, or drink beer and remain you. That is to say, maintain your individuality. This individuality is not about appearance or behavior or personality or intelligence or even consciousness, it is ones’ continued position–of-view via natural entanglement. You remain you because the emerged individual is separate and distinct from that of the trillions of non-EC cells that maintain its operation.

Every single cell which comprises your body is itself naturally entangled and is in nature a living individual, as is the emerged individual, you whose multi-cellular form and functions each non-EC cell help to maintain. This says nothing of your individuality. Further, this same implementation operates for leaves, trees, hair, internal organs, etc. each is clearly multi-cellular and is alive but may only be collections of individualized living cells that are held together, and perhaps on some level, function together. Such an association of living individuals may or may not have evolved the capacity to heterodyne to establish a secondary emerged natural entanglement connection to metamatter. That is to say, they have not become an emerged individual like a beaver or a dolphin, human or an ant. Making a distinction between the position-of-view of a cell or a simple association of cells and the heterodyned composite POV of an emerged individual is a tenuous endeavor fraught with uncertainty absent the principles described in the LINE hypothesis. In earth-life it is the hypothesized entanglement cells that are the evolutionary components of living hosts responsible for this advanced feature of emerged individuality. These terms and distinctions are necessary because our eyes and instruments deceive us; the largest life-form in earth’s ecosystem the sequoia tree may very well not possess an emerged individuality whereas some of the smallest may.

Nature implements life by the same fundamental mechanism no matter the hosts' form. In nature, this sort of scalable, extensible implementation is the very definition of simplicity. It is the entanglement molecule that is hypothesized to fundamentally establish and maintain all life via natural entanglement in every living cell. One QE connection at some unique QEF is one individual. How this QE connection is established or maintained, composite or not, is irrelevant to nature's design. Earth-life offers one (carbon-based) approach to hosting nature’s implementation of life. Other planets may very well evolve other approaches. We may someday manufacture yet another. This implementation is what permits the universal mobility of individuality. Hosts for life and their constituent components whether single cellular or otherwise are local in space-time and have no natural universal mobility requiring physical travel (i.e. via comets or spacecraft).

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3 hours ago, tonylang said:

This is why you can sever an entire leg or destroy a large portion of your brain, or drink beer and remain you. That is to say, maintain your individuality.

There are many animals that can lose limbs and grow new ones, therefore maintaining their "self"?

But I have a problem accepting the concept that every cell is an individual living organism.  I base this on the fact that individual cells do not meet the criteria as a living organism but is rather a complex bio-chemical molecular pattern, which is constantly renewed through mitosis. 

As a matter of fact a human organism is unable to sustain itself and needs the aid of billions of bacteria just to stay alive. This "hard" fact cannot be overlooked.

It is the human microbiome that strives for survival and has fashioned a symbiotic relationship with other microbes where each becomes dependent on the other.

Is it possible that your vision of entanglement is not necessarily at a universal scale but peculiar to each individual? Hence the evolved individual expressions of all living organisms, not only on an inter-species level but also on an intra-species level. It is your biome that seeks survival stability, just as a planetary system seeks balance but is not necessarily related to other planetary systems. 

I am just trying to come up with some probing questions based on known "hard facts" of living organisms, rather than "hard questions" about metaphysical substances such as "elan vital" and "soul".

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Despite our generally anthropocentric view of the world, it is the microbial population that dominates life on this planet in global diversity and in numbers. The human body itself serves as a scaffold for a multitude of bacteria, archaea, viruses, and eukaryotic microbes that inhabit discrete anatomical niches and outnumber our own somatic and germ cells by an order of magnitude

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The human microbiota is a complex assemblage of the microbes inhabiting many sites in the human body. Recent advances in technology have enabled deep sequencing and analysis of the members and structures of these communities. Two sites, the vagina and gastrointestinal tract, are highlighted to exemplify how technological advances have enhanced our knowledge of the host–microbiota system. These examples represent low- and high-complexity communities, respectively. In each example, certain community structures are identified that can be extrapolated to larger collections representing multiple individuals and potential disease or health states.

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One common feature is the unexpected diversity of the microbiota at any of these locations, which poses a challenge for relating the microbiota to health and disease. However, we anticipate microbiota compositional measurements could become standard clinical practice in the future and may become diagnostic for certain diseases or increased susceptibility to certain disorders. The microbiota of a number of disease states are currently being examined to identify potential correlations. In line with these predictions, it is possible that existing conditions may be resolved by altering the microbiota in a positive way.........more

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3731629/

Instead of an individual survival instinct, is it possible that the aggregate acquires a  sense of balance and a survival instinct for trying to maintain that balance as a cooperative?

p.s. see Bonnie Bassler about communication with our resident bacteria.

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19 minutes ago, write4u said:

As a matter of fact a human organism is unable to sustain itself and needs the aid of billions of bacteria just to stay alive. This "hard" fact cannot be overlooked.

Form what you are saying It appears that you only need to think on this a little longer to see the reality of it.

 The LINE hypothesis describes the position of view (POV) as the natural teleportation channel established by each living entity via the coherent interaction between the hosts' entanglement molecules with metamatter. The POV establishes a singleton space-time position, an eigenstate of information. That is, an antenna state which defines individuality, a temporary claim on territory which, for each lifetime, defines ones presence in whatever forms are available in any given viable habitat in space-time. It is from this instantiated position that each individual, during each lifetime one may experience its local reality. The position of view (POV) is hypothesized to be the most fundamental, mathematically describable yet empirically accessible aspect of the process which instantiates the living individual. The POV is as real as electromagnetism or gravity or spin, momentum or polarization or any other degree-of-freedom exposed in this space-time.


The POV brings no awareness, no emotion, no understanding, no memories nor personality or behavior, no intelligence or consciousness. One might be tempted to ask; of what use is it then? From a living beings’ perspective, it is arguably natures' finest, most interesting achievement yet. The POV is describable as a mathematically expressible wave function representable by a Hamiltonian. This wave function interacts with all other wave functions in ones' environment and thereby renders each living beings reality. Don't confuse this rendering of reality as some aesthetic scenery or such; rather, it is best understood as a collapsed superposition state from which reality is experienced by instantiated living forms.  All POV's in a given universe is to the environment, practically and empirically identical to each other as one proton or electron is empirically and consequentially identical to another. Hence, there is hypothesized to be minor differences between individual renderings attributable to the POV.


The theory of instantiation by natural entanglement proposes that all that you are experiencing at this moment including the body you’re in, and the reality you see as this universe, is a real-time rendering of a set of quantum wave functions of state (Hamiltonians) or qsf’s. These qsf’s comprise the metaverse if you will or Hilbert space if you won’t. They manifest a potential reality which for you, as an emerged composite being, would remain unresolved and inaccessible if not for your position-of-view (POV) produced and maintained by the entanglement molecules contained within a very special group of cells in your host form called the entanglement cells (EC). All living cells in or out of your body establish an entangled state with a form of matter called metamatter. However, most of your cells do not directly establish your emerged QE connection, your POV. It is only the EC’s that have evolved the specialization to heterodyne or combine their individual entangled state into a new unique composite entangled state to establish your individual LifeID at your unique QEF sufficiently different from that of your other cells. Together these elements establish your position-of-view (POV). The POV is the mathematical representation of the emerged individual. Each individual POV, regardless of the form taken by its host vessel, effectively provides a unique solution (practical and mathematical) which resolves, and collapses the surrounding ocean of qsf’s (Hamiltonians) that is nature, into that individuals’ reality. This collapse of quantum states into what we call reality is centered upon the individuals POV and manifests an individualized rendering of nature. Each individual rendering had by every truly living entity is similarly collapsed by those other POV’s. These realities are very similar at least for compatible POV’s such as those on earth and perhaps those that may be found throughout this universe.

 
Although not easy it is not impossible to detect differences between POV renderings as seen in individual observations of subtle quantum experiments (Double slit, weak-measurement etc.). Differences between individual POV’s and their resulting rendering of nature may have mostly to do with the cells that host the entanglement connection being that the QE spectrum upon which the POV is established is expected to be a significantly constant universal phenomenon. This is like saying that the audio experience produced by a radio set is primarily dependant upon the design and technology of the radio set given the same broadcast signal. In this metaphor ones’ natural entangled state is akin to the broadcast signal and your host form is the radio set. There may be many types of forms of radio sets and species but the fundamental natural implementation of both implementations, the natural entanglement spectrum and the electromagnetic spectrum, is universal.


One possible factor that may plausibly contribute to differences in POV rendering is likely to be the type of matter that comprise the host cells, or their equivalent, that is to say; normal matter as we know it versus some other form of (non-standard model) matter akin to dark-matter. Another factor is likely to be the unique degrees-of-freedom that may be indigenous to such exotic forms of matter may prove to be dominant in the description of the emerged POV’s wave functions (Hamiltonian) and interaction with nature. Liken the concept of a separate POV (which is not possible) to a CPU not yet connected to a motherboard, it is pure potential. Your position-of-view POV itself is not corporeal like a CPU but is instead essentially a standing quantum wave produced and maintained by your EC. The POV is the mathematical representation of the LifeID and both interferes and interacts and collapses natures own wave functions (Hamiltonians) which are the local superposition state of your environment (i.e. the cat is both dead and alive.) into the corporeal or particulate form your senses detect as your reality.


Ones senses, such as they’re configured in your particular host form, performs an entirely different task of rendering signals electromagnetically as telemetry gathered from this collapsed reality to form what we call experiences. Make no mistake, your position-of-view is not involved with such experiences but only serves to persist your placement as a solution of state in space-time. The collapse of the environments superposition state we call reality may not be solely or even largely performed by the living POV (arguably the electron plays a significant role in pre-rendering nature.) but nonetheless manifests the tangible physical position such experiences derives from. This is hypothesized to be the natural mechanism of ‘Being’ for every individual life-form that is implemented throughout this universe and indeed perhaps throughout existence. This is the root of the experience, or lack thereof, of life.

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