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the new observations disprove the big bang, such as that the sun is becoming brighter brighter, according to big bang the burning of the sun only could weaker and waeker. Besides, in the framework of big bang the anormal gravitation in solar system can not be explained

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the new observations disprove the big bang, such as that the sun is becoming brighter brighter, according to big bang the burning of the sun only could weaker and waeker. Besides, in the framework of big bang the anormal gravitation in solar system can not be explained

So you allege, though no living cosmologist of any note seems to think so.

 

Which presumably is why you resort to listing long-dead ones in support of your ideas.

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todays there are countless cosmologists against the instantaneous creation of big bang and agree to the continuous creation of matter as well as space in the same time, aside from you, no one believes really the singular point  of big bang arose indeed

So you keep saying, but whenever I have asked you who they are, you have come back with a list of dead people and non-entities. 

 

Who are the prominent cosmologists active in research today that agree to the continuous creation of matter? Just name me two or three of them and provide  references to their work that illustrate your point.

 

No more dead people, please, and no more obscure individuals with no internet references to their name.

 

Believe me, if what you say is right I shall be more than willing to read what they say.  I am always willing to learn, from reputable sources. But only from reputable sources, as I do not have the time to waste reading doubtful science from non-entities. 

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the below people are against the big bang

 

Halton Arp, Max-Planck-Institute Fur Astrophysik (Germany)
Andre Koch Torres Assis, State University of Campinas (Brazil)
Yuri Baryshev, Astronomical Institute, St. Petersburg State University (Russia)
Ari Brynjolfsson, Applied Radiation Industries (USA)
Hermann Bondi, Churchill College, University of Cambridge (UK)
Timothy Eastman, Plasmas International (USA)
Chuck Gallo, Superconix, Inc.(USA)
Thomas Gold, Cornell University (emeritus) (USA)
Amitabha Ghosh, Indian Institute of Technology, Kanpur (India)
Walter J. Heikkila, University of Texas at Dallas (USA)     ................................................. 10 Michael Ibison, Institute for Advanced Studies at Austin (USA)
Thomas Jarboe, University of Washington (USA)
Jerry W. Jensen, ATK Propulsion (USA)
Menas Kafatos, George Mason University (USA)
Eric J. Lerner, Lawrenceville Plasma Physics (USA)
Paul Marmet, Herzberg Institute of Astrophysics (retired) (Canada)
Paola Marziani, Istituto Nazionale di Astrofisica, Osservatorio Astronomico di Padova (Italy)
Gregory Meholic, The Aerospace Corporation (USA)
Jacques Moret-Bailly, Universit� Dijon (retired) (France)
Jayant Narlikar, IUCAA(emeritus) and College de France (India, France)    ........................ 20 Marcos Cesar Danhoni Neves, State University of Maring� (Brazil)
Charles D. Orth, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory (USA)
R. David Pace, Lyon College (USA)
Georges Paturel, Observatoire de Lyon (France)
Jean-Claude Pecker, College de France (France)
Anthony L. Peratt, Los Alamos National Laboratory (USA)
Bill Peter, BAE Systems Advanced Technologies (USA)
David Roscoe, Sheffield University (UK)
Malabika Roy, George Mason University (USA)
Sisir Roy, George Mason University (USA)     .................................................................... 30 Konrad Rudnicki, Jagiellonian University (Poland)
Domingos S.L. Soares, Federal University of Minas Gerais (Brazil)
John L. West, Jet Propulsion Laboratory, California Institute of Technology (USA)
James F. Woodward, California State University, Fullerton (USA)  

Jorge Marao Universidade Estadual de Londrina Brazi
Martin John Baker, Loretto School Musselburgh, UK
Peter J Carroll,  Psychonaut Institute, UK
Roger Y. Gouin, Ecole Superieure d'Electricite, France
John Murray, Sunyata Composite Ltd, UK
Jonathan Chambers, University of Sheffield, UK    ................................................................. 40 Michel  A.  Duguay, Laval University, Canada
Qi Pan, Fitzwilliam College, Cambridge, UK
Fred Rost, University of NSW (Emeritus), Australia
Louis Hissink, Consulting Geologist, Australia
Hetu Sheth, Earth Sciences, Indian Institute of Technology Bombay, India
Lassi Hyv�rinen, IBM(Ret), France
Max Whisson, University of Melbourne, Australia
R.S.Griffiths, CADAS, UK
Adolf Muenker, Brane Industries, USA
Emre Isik    Akdeniz University    Turkey    .................................. 50 Felipe de Oliveira Alves, Federal University of Minas Gerais, Brazil
Jean-Marc Bonnet-Bidaud, Service d'Astrophysique, CEA, France
Kim George, Curtin University of Technology, Australia
Tom Van Flandern, Meta Research, USA
Doneley Watson, IBM (ret.), USA
Fred Alan Wolf, Have Brains / Will Travel, USA
Robert Wood, IEEE, Canada
D. W. Harris, L-3 Communications, USA
Eugene Sittampalam, Engineering consultant, Sri Lanka
Joseph.B. Krieger, Brooklyn College, CUNY, USA   ............................................................ 60 Pablo Vasquez, New Jersey Institute of Technology, USA
Peter F. Richiuso, NASA, KSC, USA
Roger A. Rydin, University of Virginia (Emeritus), USA
Stefan Rydstrom, Royal Institute of Technology, Sweden
Sylvan J. Hotch, The MITRE Corporation (Retired), USA
Thomas R. Love, CSU Dominguez Hills, USA
Andrew Coles, Embedded Systems, USA
Eit Gaastra, infinite universe researcher,  The Netherlands
Franco Selleri, Universit� di Bari, Dipartimento di Fisica, Italy
Gerald Pease, The Aerospace Corporation, USA    .............................................................. 70 S.N. Arteha, Space Research Institute, Russia
Miroslaw Kozlowski, Warsaw University (emeritus), Poland
John Hartnett, School of Physics, University of Western Australia, Australia
Robert Zubrin, Pioneer Astronautics, USA
Tibor Gasparik, SUNY at Stony Brook, USA
Alexandre Losev, Bulgarian Academy of Sciences, Bulgaria
Henry Hall, University of Manchester, UK
Jos� da Silva, Universidade Federal de Minas Gerais, Brazil
Markus Rohner, Griesser AG, Switzerland
William C. Mitchell, Institute for Advanced Cosmological Studies, USA    ............................. 80 Aurea Garcia-Rissmann, UFSC, Brazil
Cristian R. Ghezzi, Universidade Estadual de Campinas, Brazil
Daniel Nicolato Epit�cio Pereira, Federal University of Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
Gregory M. Salyards, US Naval Sea Systems Command (ret.), USA
Luiz Carlos Barbosa, Unicamp, Brazil
Luiz Carlos Jafelice,  Federal University of the Rio Grande do Norte, Brazil
Michael Sosteric, Athabasca University, Canada
Steven Langley Guy, University of Elizabeth (Physics Department), Australia
Robert Fritzius, Shade Tree Physics, USA
Irineu Gomes Varella, Escola Municipal de Astrof�sica, Brazil    ............................................... 90 Tom Walther, Southern Cross University Australia , Australia
Mauro Cosentino, University of S�o Paulo, Brazil
Moacir Lacerda, Univeersidade Federal de Mato Grosso do Sul, Brazil
Roberto Assumpcao, PUC Minas, Brazil
Roberto Lopes Parra, University of Sao Paulo, Brazil
Ronaldo Junio Camppos Batista, Universidade Federal de Minas Gerais, Brazil
Ermenegildo Caccese, University of Basilicata, Italy
Felipe Sofia Zanuzzo, Federal University of S�o Carlos, Brazil
Edival de Morais, Sociedade Brasileira de F�sica,  Brazil
Graham Coupe, KAZ Technology Services, Australia     ....................................................... 100 Gordon Petrie, High Altitude Observatory, NCAR, USA,
Jose B. Almeida, University of Minho, Portugal,
Antonio Cleiton, Laborat�rio de Sistemas Complexos - UFPI, Brazil
Sergey Karpov, L.V.Kirensky Institute of Physics  Russian Academy of Sciences, Russia
Wagner Patrick Junqueira de Souza Coelho Nic�cio, Universidade Federal de Minas Gerais, Brazil
Sokolov Vladimir, Special Astrophysical Observatory  of  RAS, Russia
Edwin G. Schasteen, TAP-TEN Research Foundation International, USA
Gerry Zeitlin, openseti.org, USA
Henry H. Bauer, Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University, USA
Yasha Fard,H.R. Cosmology Institute, Canada     .................................................................. 110 Roberto Caimmi, Astronomy Department, Padua University, Italy
Tobias Keller, ETH (SFIT) Zurich, Earth Sciences,   Switzerland
Deborah Foch, Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence, USA,
Henry Reynolds, UC Santa Cruz, USA,
Paramahamsa Tewari, Nuclear Power Corporation (ret.),India
Jouko Sepp�nen, Helsinki University of Technology, Finland,
Cristiane Ribeiro Bernardes, Universidade Federal de Minas Gerais, Brazil
Eric Blievernicht. TRW,  USA
Dr. Robert Bennett, Kolbe Center, USA,
Hilton Ratcliffe, Astronomical Society of South Africa, South Africa   ....................................... 120 Wieslaw  Sztumski, Silesian University, Poland
Lars W�hlin,Colutron Research Corporation,USA
Riccardo Scarpa, European Southern Observatory, Italy,
Olivier Marco, European Southern Observatory,   France
Joseph Garcia, International Radiation Protection, Germany,
Arkadiusz Jadczyk, International Institute of Mathematical Physics, Lithuania
Jean de Pontcharra, Commissariat � l'Energie Atomique, France
Gerardus D. Bouw, Baldwin-Wallace College,  USA
Josef Lutz, Chemnitz University of Technology, Germany,
Harold E. Puthoff, Institute for Advanced Studies at Austin, USA.   .......................................... 130 Hermann D�rkop, Nabla Systemberatung,  Germany,
Klaus Fischer, Universit�t Trier, Germany,
Werner Holzm�ller, University Leipzig, Germany
Sol Aisenberg, International Technology Group, USA
Richard Gancarczyk, University of Nottingham, UK
Steve Humphry, Murdoch University, Australia
Alberto Bolognesi, Universit� di Perugia, Italy
Daniele Carosati, Armenzano Observatory, Italy
Brendan Dean, H.R. Cosmology Institute, Canada
W. Jim Jastrzebski, Warsaw University, Poland

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outside galaxy is vacuum and there is no dust that you imagine. again, according to current theory in early universe large galaxy didn't exist therefore in another 3 Billion the milky way was important to complete to form. in a word galaxies have been forming gradually all the while, ancient and modern are consistent, we should insist Theory of Uniformity to avoid pseudoscience

 

Citation please, the space between galaxies is far from empty... 

 

https://www.space.com/27682-rogue-stars-between-galaxies.html

 

 

As many as half of all stars in the universe lie in the vast gulfs of space between galaxies, an unexpected discovery made in a new study using NASA rockets. These stars could help solve mysteries regarding missing light and particles that theory had suggested should exist, scientists say.

In the study, astronomers investigated the extragalactic background light, the sum of all light emitted by stars in the universe throughout history. Prior research had detected fluctuations in this light that did not appear to come from any known galaxies. Scientists had suggested these fluctuations might come from primordial galaxies, the very earliest galaxies, whose light has yet to be detected.

The continuous expansion of the universe and the continuous creation of matter are inseparable,the expansion of the universe is not a reciprocal retreat of galaxies in existing space, but rather the space between galaxies is continuously creating. Since the universe can create space, it can also create matter,The simultaneous creation of space-time and matter is an inseparable manifestation of the two.In cosmology, there is no reason to adhere strictly to the law of conservation of mass,and it is the expansion of the universe that provides the basic energy for the universe

 

Again, citation please, claiming it doesn't make it so...

 

the below people are against the big bang

 

Halton Arp, Max-Planck-Institute Fur Astrophysik (Germany)

Andre Koch Torres Assis, State University of Campinas (Brazil)

Yuri Baryshev, Astronomical Institute, St. Petersburg State University (Russia)

Ari Brynjolfsson, Applied Radiation Industries (USA)

Hermann Bondi, Churchill College, University of Cambridge (UK)

Timothy Eastman, Plasmas International (USA)

Chuck Gallo, Superconix, Inc.(USA)

Thomas Gold, Cornell University (emeritus) (USA)

Amitabha Ghosh, Indian Institute of Technology, Kanpur (India)

Walter J. Heikkila, University of Texas at Dallas (USA)     ................................................. 10 Michael Ibison, Institute for Advanced Studies at Austin (USA)

Thomas Jarboe, University of Washington (USA)

Jerry W. Jensen, ATK Propulsion (USA)

Menas Kafatos, George Mason University (USA)

Eric J. Lerner, Lawrenceville Plasma Physics (USA)

Paul Marmet, Herzberg Institute of Astrophysics (retired) (Canada)

Paola Marziani, Istituto Nazionale di Astrofisica, Osservatorio Astronomico di Padova (Italy)

Gregory Meholic, The Aerospace Corporation (USA)

Jacques Moret-Bailly, Universit� Dijon (retired) (France)

Jayant Narlikar, IUCAA(emeritus) and College de France (India, France)    ........................ 20 Marcos Cesar Danhoni Neves, State University of Maring� (Brazil)

Charles D. Orth, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory (USA)

R. David Pace, Lyon College (USA)

Georges Paturel, Observatoire de Lyon (France)

Jean-Claude Pecker, College de France (France)

Anthony L. Peratt, Los Alamos National Laboratory (USA)

Bill Peter, BAE Systems Advanced Technologies (USA)

David Roscoe, Sheffield University (UK)

Malabika Roy, George Mason University (USA)

Sisir Roy, George Mason University (USA)     .................................................................... 30 Konrad Rudnicki, Jagiellonian University (Poland)

Domingos S.L. Soares, Federal University of Minas Gerais (Brazil)

John L. West, Jet Propulsion Laboratory, California Institute of Technology (USA)

James F. Woodward, California State University, Fullerton (USA)  

Jorge Marao Universidade Estadual de Londrina Brazi

Martin John Baker, Loretto School Musselburgh, UK

Peter J Carroll,  Psychonaut Institute, UK

Roger Y. Gouin, Ecole Superieure d'Electricite, France

John Murray, Sunyata Composite Ltd, UK

Jonathan Chambers, University of Sheffield, UK    ................................................................. 40 Michel  A.  Duguay, Laval University, Canada

Qi Pan, Fitzwilliam College, Cambridge, UK

Fred Rost, University of NSW (Emeritus), Australia

Louis Hissink, Consulting Geologist, Australia

Hetu Sheth, Earth Sciences, Indian Institute of Technology Bombay, India

Lassi Hyv�rinen, IBM(Ret), France

Max Whisson, University of Melbourne, Australia

R.S.Griffiths, CADAS, UK

Adolf Muenker, Brane Industries, USA

Emre Isik    Akdeniz University    Turkey    .................................. 50 Felipe de Oliveira Alves, Federal University of Minas Gerais, Brazil

Jean-Marc Bonnet-Bidaud, Service d'Astrophysique, CEA, France

Kim George, Curtin University of Technology, Australia

Tom Van Flandern, Meta Research, USA

Doneley Watson, IBM (ret.), USA

Fred Alan Wolf, Have Brains / Will Travel, USA

Robert Wood, IEEE, Canada

D. W. Harris, L-3 Communications, USA

Eugene Sittampalam, Engineering consultant, Sri Lanka

Joseph.B. Krieger, Brooklyn College, CUNY, USA   ............................................................ 60 Pablo Vasquez, New Jersey Institute of Technology, USA

Peter F. Richiuso, NASA, KSC, USA

Roger A. Rydin, University of Virginia (Emeritus), USA

Stefan Rydstrom, Royal Institute of Technology, Sweden

Sylvan J. Hotch, The MITRE Corporation (Retired), USA

Thomas R. Love, CSU Dominguez Hills, USA

Andrew Coles, Embedded Systems, USA

Eit Gaastra, infinite universe researcher,  The Netherlands

Franco Selleri, Universit� di Bari, Dipartimento di Fisica, Italy

Gerald Pease, The Aerospace Corporation, USA    .............................................................. 70 S.N. Arteha, Space Research Institute, Russia

Miroslaw Kozlowski, Warsaw University (emeritus), Poland

John Hartnett, School of Physics, University of Western Australia, Australia

Robert Zubrin, Pioneer Astronautics, USA

Tibor Gasparik, SUNY at Stony Brook, USA

Alexandre Losev, Bulgarian Academy of Sciences, Bulgaria

Henry Hall, University of Manchester, UK

Jos� da Silva, Universidade Federal de Minas Gerais, Brazil

Markus Rohner, Griesser AG, Switzerland

William C. Mitchell, Institute for Advanced Cosmological Studies, USA    ............................. 80 Aurea Garcia-Rissmann, UFSC, Brazil

Cristian R. Ghezzi, Universidade Estadual de Campinas, Brazil

Daniel Nicolato Epit�cio Pereira, Federal University of Rio de Janeiro, Brazil

Gregory M. Salyards, US Naval Sea Systems Command (ret.), USA

Luiz Carlos Barbosa, Unicamp, Brazil

Luiz Carlos Jafelice,  Federal University of the Rio Grande do Norte, Brazil

Michael Sosteric, Athabasca University, Canada

Steven Langley Guy, University of Elizabeth (Physics Department), Australia

Robert Fritzius, Shade Tree Physics, USA

Irineu Gomes Varella, Escola Municipal de Astrof�sica, Brazil    ............................................... 90 Tom Walther, Southern Cross University Australia , Australia

Mauro Cosentino, University of S�o Paulo, Brazil

Moacir Lacerda, Univeersidade Federal de Mato Grosso do Sul, Brazil

Roberto Assumpcao, PUC Minas, Brazil

Roberto Lopes Parra, University of Sao Paulo, Brazil

Ronaldo Junio Camppos Batista, Universidade Federal de Minas Gerais, Brazil

Ermenegildo Caccese, University of Basilicata, Italy

Felipe Sofia Zanuzzo, Federal University of S�o Carlos, Brazil

Edival de Morais, Sociedade Brasileira de F�sica,  Brazil

Graham Coupe, KAZ Technology Services, Australia     ....................................................... 100 Gordon Petrie, High Altitude Observatory, NCAR, USA,

Jose B. Almeida, University of Minho, Portugal,

Antonio Cleiton, Laborat�rio de Sistemas Complexos - UFPI, Brazil

Sergey Karpov, L.V.Kirensky Institute of Physics  Russian Academy of Sciences, Russia

Wagner Patrick Junqueira de Souza Coelho Nic�cio, Universidade Federal de Minas Gerais, Brazil

Sokolov Vladimir, Special Astrophysical Observatory  of  RAS, Russia

Edwin G. Schasteen, TAP-TEN Research Foundation International, USA

Gerry Zeitlin, openseti.org, USA

Henry H. Bauer, Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University, USA

Yasha Fard,H.R. Cosmology Institute, Canada     .................................................................. 110 Roberto Caimmi, Astronomy Department, Padua University, Italy

Tobias Keller, ETH (SFIT) Zurich, Earth Sciences,   Switzerland

Deborah Foch, Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence, USA,

Henry Reynolds, UC Santa Cruz, USA,

Paramahamsa Tewari, Nuclear Power Corporation (ret.),India

Jouko Sepp�nen, Helsinki University of Technology, Finland,

Cristiane Ribeiro Bernardes, Universidade Federal de Minas Gerais, Brazil

Eric Blievernicht. TRW,  USA

Dr. Robert Bennett, Kolbe Center, USA,

Hilton Ratcliffe, Astronomical Society of South Africa, South Africa   ....................................... 120 Wieslaw  Sztumski, Silesian University, Poland

Lars W�hlin,Colutron Research Corporation,USA

Riccardo Scarpa, European Southern Observatory, Italy,

Olivier Marco, European Southern Observatory,   France

Joseph Garcia, International Radiation Protection, Germany,

Arkadiusz Jadczyk, International Institute of Mathematical Physics, Lithuania

Jean de Pontcharra, Commissariat � l'Energie Atomique, France

Gerardus D. Bouw, Baldwin-Wallace College,  USA

Josef Lutz, Chemnitz University of Technology, Germany,

Harold E. Puthoff, Institute for Advanced Studies at Austin, USA.   .......................................... 130 Hermann D�rkop, Nabla Systemberatung,  Germany,

Klaus Fischer, Universit�t Trier, Germany,

Werner Holzm�ller, University Leipzig, Germany

Sol Aisenberg, International Technology Group, USA

Richard Gancarczyk, University of Nottingham, UK

Steve Humphry, Murdoch University, Australia

Alberto Bolognesi, Universit� di Perugia, Italy

Daniele Carosati, Armenzano Observatory, Italy

Brendan Dean, H.R. Cosmology Institute, Canada

W. Jim Jastrzebski, Warsaw University, Poland

 

https://www.space.com/8066-big-bang-solid-theory-mysteries-remain.html

 

 

The Big Bang

According to the Big Bang theory, the universe began extremely hot and extremely dense. Around 14 billion years ago, space itself expanded and cooled down, eventually allowing atoms to form and clump together to build the stars and galaxies we see today.

On this, most scientists are agreed.

"I would say that there is 100 percent consensus, really," University of Pennsylvania particle physicist Burt Ovrut said of the Big Bang theory. "There is overwhelming evidence ? all of the predictions are true."

For example, this theory predicted that the universe today would be filled with pervasive light left over from the Big Bang. This glow, called the cosmic microwave background radiation, was discovered in 1964, almost 20 years after it was forecast.

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the below people are against the big bang

 

Halton Arp, Max-Planck-Institute Fur Astrophysik (Germany)

Andre Koch Torres Assis, State University of Campinas (Brazil)

Yuri Baryshev, Astronomical Institute, St. Petersburg State University (Russia)

Ari Brynjolfsson, Applied Radiation Industries (USA)

Hermann Bondi, Churchill College, University of Cambridge (UK)

Timothy Eastman, Plasmas International (USA)

Chuck Gallo, Superconix, Inc.(USA)

Thomas Gold, Cornell University (emeritus) (USA)

[snip]

I asked you this: " Who are the prominent cosmologists active in research today that agree to the continuous creation of matter? Just name me two or three of them and provide  references to their work that illustrate your point."

 

And you reply with a long list of mostly non-entities, with no references to show what they think, and containing 3 names I do recognise, Arp, Bondi and Gold, all of whom are, once again, DEAD. 

 

You have been given ample opportunity now to substantiate your claim that many cosmologists disagree with the big bang theory and support the idea of continuous creation of matter, and you have totally failed to do so. Instead you have prevaricated and produced bogus information.  Your latest list seems to come from this crank "mysteries of the ancients" website: http://s8int.com/bigbang2.html 

 

What a joke. 

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the new alternative proves that cosmic expansion and contraction are cyclic, countless big bangs have been happening with the unchanged density and without  the singular point of infinite density or pressure, therefore the new alternative theory doesn't reject entirely the big bang and it is merely a reform to the big bang, at per begining of expansion, namely the end of last contraction, means a big bang, at the time the  mass of any galaxy is zero, then galaxies grow up slowly and their mass also increase concomitant with cosmic expansion, and new matter creates continuously only in celestial bodies but not all space, while celestial bodies enlarge their orbits expand, namely go far away from the centre of galaxy

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the new alternative proves that cosmic expansion and contraction are cyclic, countless big bangs have been happening with the unchanged density and without  the singular point of infinite density or pressure, therefore the new alternative theory doesn't reject entirely the big bang and it is merely a reform to the big bang, at per begining of expansion, namely the end of last contraction, means a big bang, at the time the  mass of any galaxy is zero, then galaxies grow up slowly and their mass also increase concomitant with cosmic expansion, and new matter creates continuously only in celestial bodies but not all space, while celestial bodies enlarge their orbits expand, namely go far away from the centre of galaxy

"Proves" is not a word any scientist would use about a theory. 

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in a word, more than 6 billion people all over the world are against the big bang and only a few of  people  believe, but it is impossible as well as unnecessary to  say all names of them one by one

 

As this statement is completely divorced from reality, it provides all the justification necessary to move this thread to the Silly Claims forum.

 

xps: if you don't retract or justify this statement, all your future threads will be moved to Silly Claims without review so that they can serve as an example to people of how awfully wrong a fundamental misunderstanding of science can go.

 

 

Exterminate all rational thought, :phones:

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