Biochemist Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 man can not do this. what material that god made? sorry pal, we invented god right here on earth and placed the thought of him into time. after humans are gone, god is gone. It probably is not reasonable to suggest that others are not scientific, and then to respond by making unsubstantiated claims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queso Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 probably isn't reasonable at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishteacher73 Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 I encurage you to go out into space, and create your own little universe, and see if it works. of corse I'll give you the option of using the material that God made. I do it for a hobby. It's called an aquarium. I am quite good at it too. Queso 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queso Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 whoa, blast! you are right...what a great perspective. i feel like such an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffy Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 man can not do this. what material that god made? sorry pal, we invented god right here on earth and placed the thought of him into time. after humans are gone, god is gone. It probably is not reasonable to suggest that others are not scientific, and then to respond by making unsubstantiated claims.Actually, there is more evidence for Orb's argument than that there's a God, although the argument is still slightly philosophical: Why did God let man go for most of his history not letting him understand the true nature of God until 3500 years ago (Moses), 2000 years ago (Jesus), 900 years ago (Mohammed), or 10 years ago (Raelians)? We have plenty of evidence that religions had very different forms in the past, and while there have been prophets carrying bricks, a supernatural power did not use lightning to engrave Her truth on the side of Mt. Sinai or the desert outside Mecca or anywhere else.... Cheers,Buffy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C1ay Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 So why do snakes have pelvic girdles? Did god in his wisdom think they needed them?Why are all land vertebrates tetrapods?Why are do most multi-cellular organism have an internal chemistry much like that of the oceans (even the fresh water fish that have to continually pee to counteract osmosis)?Why are some fossils older than others? Should they all not date back to the flood?(oops...things don't fossilize that quickly).If this is the work of a god, he should have been fired. To create life and end up with only about a 1% survival rate is pretty poor.Is there a reason you evade questions like these MT? These really are 'On Topic' chance vs evolution type questions. There are times when the quiet speaks volumes for the mute.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumab Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 Actually, there is more evidence for Orb's argument than that there's a God, although the argument is still slightly philosophical: Why did God let man go for most of his history not letting him understand the true nature of God until 3500 years ago (Moses), 2000 years ago (Jesus), 900 years ago (Mohammed), or 10 years ago (Raelians)? We have plenty of evidence that religions had very different forms in the past, and while there have been prophets carrying bricks, a supernatural power did not use lightning to engrave Her truth on the side of Mt. Sinai or the desert outside Mecca or anywhere else.... While we are at the philisophical arguments- Why do we suppose that our reason can understand the purposes and designs of a God? The idea that we can somehow think "better" then a God, and understand the designs of said diety through our own intellect is somewhat arrogant, it seems to me. Of course, we do it all the time- atheists and televangelists alike :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eMTee Posted May 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 Why did God let man go for most of his history not letting him understand the true nature of God until 3500 years ago (Moses), 2000 years ago (Jesus), 900 years ago (Mohammed) God spoke to Adam, God spoke to Cain God spoke to Moses God spoke to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, he spoke, and everywhere in between those and beyond.. Fact stands, creation and theists have more evidence against atheiasm and sossibleevolution, than atheists and evolution has against possible God. Was the Qu'ran written before or after the Old and New testements? and what centery did Mohammed live in..what year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffy Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 God spoke to Adam, God spoke to Cain God spoke to Moses God spoke to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, he spoke, and everywhere in between those and beyond..So why did they all get it all so wrong that She had to keep coming back with "clarifications"? Or why She tell them different things? What about when God spoke to Vishnu? Why did he not speak to Confucious? Or the Shinto's? Why is God telling the Raelians something completely different? Is God going to punish all those for believing the older prophets and not the newer ones (which by the way would argue for the notion that we should all be Muslim now, because Mohammed had the latest update from God; or do you think that Mohammed was a "false prophet", and if so, how do you know?). At any rate, the real answer is that religion in sociological terms has been the prototype for political structures, and in more primitive societies the notion of "divine right of kings" provides an organizing power to control groups of people. More modern societies have separated out the religious underpinings of political structures to eliminate the weaknesses caused by unprovable arguments like "God is a Republican" which many now seem to want to put back in our system of Government. Cheers,Buffy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishteacher73 Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 Fact stands, creation and theists has more evidence against atheiasm and soppibleevolution, than atheists and evolution has against possible God. An interesting statement. What facts do creationist have? And C1ay repeated my questions...These are facts... Not literature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eMTee Posted May 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 "God is a Republican" that statment is incorrect. Mohammed had the latest update from God; or do you think that Mohammed was a "false prophet", and if so, how do you know?). In what year did Mohammid live in...did he live in the time of Moses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishteacher73 Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 (which by the way would argue for the notion that we should all be Muslim now, because Mohammed had the latest update from God; or do you think that Mohammed was a "false prophet", and if so, how do you know?). I had a beer the other day with god (Guinness of course, but occasionally he'll slum it and bring a six pack of PBR) and he told me the Branch Davidians were right and we're all going to hell in a handbasket. I offered him a scotch and he said he would slip me in the back for a case of 12 year single Glenmorangie.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffy Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 "God is a Republican"that statment is incorrect."God is a Republican"-- Jerry Falwell "I think George Bush is going to win in a walk. I really believe I'm hearing from the Lord it's going to be like a blowout election in 2004. It's shaping up that way. The Lord has just blessed him."-- Rev. Pat RobertsonIn what year did Mohammid live in...did he live in the time of Moses?Mohammed lived 570-632 AD, so about 2000 years after Moses and 600 years after Jesus. You are behind the times. You should get hip to Sri... Cheers,Buffy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eMTee Posted May 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 Mohammed lived 570-632 AD, so about 2000 years after Moses and 600 years after Jesus. You are behind the times. You should get hip to Sri... Much of the qu'ran is similar to the Bible's teaching, sence the Bible was written first, would that not have a possability of it being barrowed? Sence prophets are suposed to be God's messengers...They suposed to fortell 100% of the amount of their phophecies correct..if any of them do not come to pass, like they said, they are not of God and are falce, and deserve death. That is the way to test them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C1ay Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 Much of the qu'ran is similar to the Bible's teaching, sence the Bible was written first, would that not have a possability of it being barrowed? Sence prophets are suposed to be God's messengers...They suposed to fortell 100% of the amount of their phophocies correct..if any of them do not come to pass, like they said, they are not of God and are falce, and deserve death. That is the way to test them.You can find the Bible online here and the Koran is here. Please point out the similarities. They look like 2 entirely different books to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffy Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 Much of the qu'ran is similar to the Bible's teaching, sence the Bible was written first, would that not have a possability of it being barrowed?Borrowed, not really: Islam accepts Abraham and Jesus as prophets, but deems much of the Bible as "misguided" to be charitable. You are following an incorrect faith according to them...Sence prophets are suposed to be God's messengers...They suposed to fortell 100% of the amount of their phophecies correct..if any of them do not come to pass, like they said, they are not of God and are falce, and deserve death. That is the way to test them.So if they die, they're not prophets? That would mean Jesus was not. Or do you mean that you have the right to kill anyone you believe is not a prophet when they claim to be? That's what binLaden believes too... Cheers,Buffy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eMTee Posted May 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 So if they die, they're not prophets? That would mean Jesus was not. Or do you mean that you have the right to kill anyone you believe is not a prophet when they claim to be? That's what binLaden believes too.... If they speak lies, then they're not phophets..thus they where to be put to death. Jesus in the Bible, was God's son (fully God and man) (and not just a proghet), whose purpose was to be born to die...Jesus also prophecied about this event several times...and you can look in the book of Isaiah, and other old testement books for this phophecy. I do no not think that this "kill the falce phophets" is a stance on that you can kill who you think is bad. God also discontinued the speaking threw the prophets, and animal sacrifice, on the event of his Death burial and reserection, and chose to speak threw his word. Phophets also die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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