dkv Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 Psychologists have known it for a long time that the Mind can transcend time and space.Some of the phenomenon are listed below1.Near Death Experience (NDE)2.Out of Body Experience(OBE)3.Inner Voice (no more a psychological disease)4.Premonition5.Past Life Regression6.Psychic Dreams 7.Multiple Personality Disorder (one body many personalities..attributed to schizophrenia)8.Religions believe in Ghost9.Educated Americans believe in Ghost Three in Four Americans Believe in ParanormalThe results of a recent gallup poll suggested that over 40% of Americans believe in possession by the devil and 15% believe spirits can 'temporarily assume control of a human body'.http://home.sandiego.edu/~baber/logic/gallup.html10.If the nature is transactional then logically there is need a to propose continuity of life after death.11.Cases of Rebirth 12.Real Ghost encounters. (the list is incomplete) It is true that there were many fardulent cases in the past but if we search the web for the specific cases mentioned above then we will find that no can doubt on the occurrence of such events... what is debatable is what causes it?I propose that ghosts are responsible..Do you think Ghosts exist?Is it possible to formulate the laws of supernatural by proposing existence of goshtons? GAHD 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dkv Posted August 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 your choice. But remember America spends 45% of the world's total education budget and it also spends 35% of research budget... Had the answer been so easy 3/4th americans would not have believed in ghosts and the paranormal.Either america is stupid and all the money is being spent to train the foreigners or the america is a land of paradoxes just like India... where 70-80% "scientists" believe in God and supernatural. In US more than 80% believe in God and Supernatural... Why should we ignore the possibility? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigD Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 I do not believe in the objective existence of ghosts. Furthermore, the claim… if we search the web for the specific cases mentioned above then we will find that no can doubt on the occurrence of such events...Is fallacious and deceptive, conflating belief by some people in the supernatural with proof of the existence of it. I do not doubt that “[some] Educated Americans believe in Ghost”, because some educated Americans have written, and personally told me “I believe in ghosts”. The linked 2005 Gallup poll supports my conclusion: 32% of Americans polled responded “believe in” to the statement “Ghosts/that spirits of dead people can come back in certain places/situations”, 19% “not sure about”, 48% “don’t believe”. However, along with about 48% of Americans, I strongly doubt that any ghosts actually exist. I have read many claims of the reality of alleged paranormal occurrences such those listed in the post, both online and in print, and am aware of may unsupported or fraudulent claims of them, but no well-controlled experiment verifying any of them. Many organization for the systematic study and investigation of such claims, such as the CSI and the JREF, exist. I encourage anyone who believes they have legitimate, verifiable evidence of the paranormal to contact one of these organizations to systematically. In particular, the JREF offers a $1 million prize for a successful demonstration of the existence of a paranormal phenomena. :Exclamati Without scientific evidence, claims such as those made in post #1 are simply more of countless unsupported claims of the paranormal. Unsupported claims are against hypography’s site rules, and should not be made. :Exclamati Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkv Posted August 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 Again Your choice.. you want to fight with the psychologists and statisticians...You want to deny thousands of documented cases of OBE and NDE and Inner Voices... You wish to deny the fact that in dreams we see personalities we have never seen before.I dont give a damn if your forum doesnt allow ghosts. For me they exist and they will always exist no matter what you people believe... Some hypocrites believe in God but forget the Ghosts.. Its like I remember God pertains to spirituality but I dont believe in spirits. I dont know how you interpret statistics... I quote from the same link.A special analysis of the data shows that 73% of Americans believe in at least one of the 10 items listed above, while 27% believe in none of them. A Gallup survey in 2001 provided similar results -- 76% professed belief in at least one of the 10 items.Stop being a hypocrite and show your daring skepticism....We will find out who wins.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkv Posted August 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 God is not too strange but Ghost is!! Anyways I will give you few links here because you are desperate to hear the good news.Dr. Bruce Goldberg ~ Company Profile Dr. Bruce Goldberg holds a B.A. degree in Biology and Chemistry, is a Doctor of Dental Surgery, and has a Masters degree in Counseling Psychology. He retired from dentistry in 1989, and since then has concentrated on his thriving international hypnotherapy practice in Los Angeles, California. He is the author of 20 best-selling and award winning books, including Past Lives, Future Lives. This book is the first book ever written on progression hypnotherapy(taking patients into their future lives). His second book, The Search For Grace, was made into a television movie by CBS. Dr. Goldberg was the consultant on the film. Dr. Goldberg is a sought after guest and has appeared on many television and radio shows throughout the country. He has appeared on Oprah, Regis, Jerry Springer, Montel, CNN, CBS News, NBC, ABC, FOX, CNBC, The History Channel and Art Bell and George Noory, to name a few. His print exposure includes The Washington Post, Time, and The Los Angeles Times. He has conducted more than 35,000 past life regressions and future life progressions since 1974, and has helped thousands of patients to empower themselves through the use of these valuable techniques. If you think that this is a kind of modern phenomenon then you are wrong...Consult wikipediaPremonition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaInner Voice Gloucestershire Hearing Voices and Recovery GroupsYou will find all the references on the web.. And most importantly you will references which are well supported by the media and psychology departments..(If you dont consider psychology as a science then that is a different issue.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not half- but whole! Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 A simple public majority doesn't make something valid. A simple claim that others believe it to be true is meaningless. There is no real evidence of the supernatural. If you want to go chase shadows and anthropomorphize every natural phenomena as your dead grandma trying to talk to you go ahead. Just don't call it science. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 Again Your choice.. you want to fight with the psychologists and statisticians...You want to deny thousands of documented cases of OBE and NDE and Inner Voices... You wish to deny the fact that in dreams we see personalities we have never seen before.I dont give a damn if your forum doesnt allow ghosts. For me they exist and they will always exist no matter what you people believe... Some hypocrites believe in God but forget the Ghosts.. Its like I remember God pertains to spirituality but I dont believe in spirits. I dont know how you interpret statistics... I quote from the same link. Stop being a hypocrite and show your daring skepticism....We will find out who wins..I fail to see what you’re statistical data has to do with proof of ghost. The only thing it really proves is that a lot of people are superstitious idiots that's all. 90% of people in the area where I live say there are wolves in the forest, when they have been extinct in this state for over 120 yrs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkv Posted August 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 What is science then ? Is Physics science ? Chasing the dark matter. Is Biology science ? Chasing the impossible biogenesis. Is Chemistry Science ? Failing to produce a catalyst which works at least half better than enzymes. Psychology and Ghosts deal with mind and not matter that is why it is not so predictable. When we deal with ghosts we deal with personalities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkv Posted August 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 I fail to see what you’re statistical data has to do with proof of ghost. The only thing it really proves is that a lot of people are superstitious idiots that's all. 90% of people in the area where I live say there are wolves in the forest, when they have been extinct in this state for over 120 yrs.May be they are not wrong... Few months back a hybrid wolf was caught. Have a look. Mythical chupacabra found in Texas? | Dogs | RaisingK9.com But this has nothing do with the ghost!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 What is science then ? Is Physics science ? Chasing the dark matter. Is Biology science ? Chasing the impossible biogenesis. Is Chemistry Science ? Failing to produce a catalyst which works at least half better than enzymes. Psychology and Ghosts deal with mind and not matter that is why it is not so predictable. When we deal with ghosts we deal with personalities. These recent shows about modern day ghost hunting started after the release of two popular motion pictures. Poltergeist, and Ghost Busters. They both depicted paranormal scientist that study ghost and haunting. This seeped into the American public as a real science and has actually spawned quite a bit of “ghost buster” groups. These are not scientist. There is no one "Dealing with ghost" What they are doing is playing with superstition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 May be they are not wrong... Few months back a hybrid wolf was caught. Have a look. But this has nothing do with the ghost!!It had nothing to with wolves ether. It does show that you're having trouble with this particular line of logic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkv Posted August 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 Do a little self analysis. You discuss God in a forum under theology but you have moved Ghost thread to strange claims forum...!!Does Bible or Koran or anyother religious book deny the existence of ghost? No..How can you discuss and develop theology without dicussing ghost?Clearly you believe in selective supernaturalism.In other words you are biased.The Ghost and related phenomenon is more widely observed than UFO or Aliens.Recently the Taxas court allowed the churches to practice exorcism.More than 300 ghost cases appear every year in Germany... Just because you are not aware of the problem doesnt mean that it doesnt exist.You are having an open mind then revisit the links I gave you. They are people who do real research and bring real benefits to people. I am NOT including pastors and priests who are much more acceptable in the court of law.Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overdog Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 Do a little self analysis. You discuss God in a forum under theology but you have moved Ghost thread to strange claims forum...!! You are mistaken. The Theology Forum is not for discussing God, it is for discussion about religion and the study of it. If you take a look at the thread you will see that those who make claims to knowledge of god do not fare very well. Unless you can prove that ghosts exist, it is a strange claim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 Do a little self analysis. You discuss God in a forum under theology but you have moved Ghost thread to strange claims forum...!!Does Bible or Koran or anyother religious book deny the existence of ghost? No..How can you discuss and develop theology without dicussing ghost?Clearly you believe in selective supernaturalism.In other words you are biased.The Ghost and related phenomenon is more widely observed than UFO or Aliens.Recently the Taxas court allowed the churches to practice exorcism.More than 300 ghost cases appear every year in Germany... Just because you are not aware of the problem doesnt mean that it doesnt exist.You are having an open mind then revisit the links I gave you. They are people who do real research and bring real benefits to people. I am NOT including pastors and priests who are much more acceptable in the court of law.Thank youYour links where about the following, past life hypnotherapy, psychosis, a definition of premonition, and a dead dog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkv Posted August 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 Following Collection of Anecdotal tales attest to the fact that "supernatural" events like OBE, NDE ,Inner Voice actually take place...the idea is to show that Mind can exist outside the Body.(I propose a different model to explain the occurence of such events) NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCE RESEARCH FOUNDATION (NDERF)Out of Body Experience Research Foundation (OBERF)Hearing Voices Movement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaJournal of the ASPRScholarly BooksExperiences Near Death: Beyond Medicine and Religion by Allan Kellehear reviewed by James McClenon The World of Ted Serios: "Thoughtographic" Studies of an Extraordinary Mind (2nd ed.) by Jule Eisenbud reviewed by Dan Benor Life at the Edge of Science: An Anthology of Papers by Beverly Rubik reviewed by Michael Levin Conscious Experience edited by Thomas Metzinger reviewed by Douglas M. Stokes Inner voices involve superposition of different personalitiesThe position of the hearing voices movement can be summarised as follows: Hearing voice is in itself not a sign of mental illness Hearing voices is experienced by a great many people, without becoming ill. Hearing voices is related to problems in life history. To recover from the distress caused, the person has to learn to cope with their voices and the original problems that lie at the root of the experience Dream involve superposition of different personalities... i.e a person can see Dalai Lama or Jesus Christ in dreams... Dogs understand human feelings and are known to their sacrifice life for the owners of different species. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexander Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 You are mistaken. The Theology Forum is not for discussing God, it is for discussion about religion and the study of it. If you take a look at the thread you will see that those who make claims to knowledge of god do not fare very well. Unless you can prove that ghosts exist, it is a strange claim.:ExclamatiAnd Overdog is right! It's not that we are against people that believe to have seen ghosts, its not that we are against the possibility of ghosts, but until scientifically proven, ghosts are a paranormal phenomenon Paranormal is an umbrella term used to describe unusual phenomena or experiences that lack an obvious scientific explanation. unusual phenomenon or experiences are strange phenomenon or experiences, thus a claim like I propose that ghosts are responsible.. is a strange claim.... Still dont believe in ghosts, even though i think i may have seen some... yes more then one, yes on more then a single occasion... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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