Tormod Posted November 6, 2003 Report Share Posted November 6, 2003 @thurston - welcome to Hypography! I have seen several discussions about this, but I think a good place to start is the 4D Cad Research pages at Stanford University: http://www.stanford.edu/group/4D/index.shtml Tormod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tormod Posted November 6, 2003 Report Share Posted November 6, 2003 @littleray - I think your thoughts about transient's ideas are very similar to mine. If perception is a dimension, then all other dimensions are mere products of perception. So where does perception come from? I think there is a need to separate mathematical and philosophical dimensions here... Tormod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleray Posted November 6, 2003 Report Share Posted November 6, 2003 My e-mail server is hosted by my home PC. so it hangs up every now and then.Anyway, [email protected] works fine. As long as the PC home doesn't crashed. My e-mail server get few hundred spam mails each days. That's sort of kill my e-mail sever. But, [email protected] is my e-mail address andhttp://www.setupray.com is a domain that I bought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tormod Posted November 6, 2003 Report Share Posted November 6, 2003 @littleray - the problem is that when your e-mail server is down I get about 25 messages every time someone posts to a thread in which you are taking part, telling me your account is unavailable. Maybe you should sign up for a backup service or something. (Okay, this is way off topic, I'll stop now.) Tormod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleray Posted November 6, 2003 Report Share Posted November 6, 2003 @thurst0n I think what you want is the hypercube. Search google.com or check out link below.http://dogfeathers.com/java/hyprcube.html This help me to picture what I shouldn't be able to picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tormod Posted November 6, 2003 Report Share Posted November 6, 2003 I've mentioned this before in this thread, I think, but we have a link collection on this stuff here: Hypography: Hyperspace Tormod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleray Posted November 6, 2003 Report Share Posted November 6, 2003 @thurst0n I think you going into the concept of parallel universe due to different event in different time zone.Usually this parallel Universe theory is used to explain why time travel is possible. So, lets say some one really hate their mother and kills their own mother when she was just a baby. Then that shouldn't be possible. Yet it is possible, if infinite time occurance produce infinite time split. So, even if someone kills their own mother infinites time, there is still inifinit amount of mothers to hate. There are no reason to believe, that even if the "right mother" is found to kill. There are no reason to believe that a mother from an instance of some parallel unverse can not pops in and becomes that "right mother" killed. And still carries on with the rest of the time line. If you read the theory about quatum theory, that one object can exist as many instance of object in different place in the same time. This paradox is like trying to chop off an infinite time tree of events. Events is the nodes and time is the vertice. As number of vertices (time) increase, the number of nodes (child)(event) also increase. Different vertice can have the same nodes even if the vertices is not in the same level(Time zone). The worst thing is even if we don't know if number of vertice is limited (There is an end to time or not.) But we are sure that the number of fanout is infinite (Possible event) So, the tree is infinitely large for sure. So even if infinite amount of branch is chop away. There is still infinite amount of tree to explore. It is possible to put chaos into this paradox. Which is to stop time from ever begins. (Chop from the root of this time tree.) Parellel universe is less about theories on dimension, but more on parodox. Dimension in this area usualy means a caculation of space. Space of zero space, one point of space, line of space etc.. A dimension is like a container of space. That is how I understand it anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dent Posted November 6, 2003 Report Share Posted November 6, 2003 I wonder if you agree with the concept of the universal chronilogical protection conjuncture which prevents a time machine operating by destroying it at its moment of creation ... if this is true then time travel will be impossible and thankfully will not have to cope with the stress of the possibility of the grandfather paradox (love you grandpa).. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deamonstar Posted November 6, 2003 Report Share Posted November 6, 2003 thank goodness I have a pair of 3d glasses! COOL stuff!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tormod Posted November 6, 2003 Report Share Posted November 6, 2003 @dent - since the chronology protection conjecture is just a figment of Stephen Hawking's imagination I wonder if there is any point in agreeing to it. If it is real, there is no way to prove it (because we would never be able to build a time machine to disprove it!). Tormod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tormod Posted November 6, 2003 Report Share Posted November 6, 2003 deamonstar, you should check out my fancy 5D glasses (problem is, I only wear them when I dream). Tormod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurst0n Posted November 6, 2003 Report Share Posted November 6, 2003 Thanks guys! I have also heard a theory that the 5th dimension is simply no dimension, has anyone heard this, and can anyone explain it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurst0n Posted November 6, 2003 Report Share Posted November 6, 2003 Time Travel is weird...I don't think it will exist in the way that many science fiction stories have, but more in the reality of reaching incredibly high speeds close to the speed of light, and thus speeding time up around you, but you experience time the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurst0n Posted November 6, 2003 Report Share Posted November 6, 2003 Sorry for all the posts....Hypercube--Is this like a "cube" in the 4th dimension? A cube in the 2nd dimension would be a square? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurst0n Posted November 6, 2003 Report Share Posted November 6, 2003 littleray-I"m not trying to flame you or w.e people call it here...But It would be a big help, I think to everyone, if you could write your posts with better grammer, spelling, and word type. For example in just one of your posts you said "Are they Mathematians or Phsyics?" You meant "physicist". You also said "dimensions some from" You meant "COME" I'm not perfect either, but little things like this make it much easier and faster for people to read and understand your posts, thus making it easier to respond in a faster manner. Sorry I had to pick on you, but your the one who stood out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tormod Posted November 6, 2003 Report Share Posted November 6, 2003 @thurston, good point. littlerays ideas are valuable and welcome, but it would indeed help if he spent a few seconds checking his grammar. Let's just hope he's not dyslexic - you never know what people's reasons for writing poorly is. Now let's get back to the 5th dimension! Tormod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tormod Posted November 6, 2003 Report Share Posted November 6, 2003 @thurston - the outline of a 3D cube seen in 2D would indeed look like a square. Imagine the shadow it would cast on a piece of paper. Tormod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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