Chiral atom Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 Hi to every body :) ... I wish you to accept me in your fourm and I wish you to excuss me Im not good in english but Im trying to be better ... bye bye .. oh , I forgot to tell you that chemistry is my life good bye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tormod Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 Hi there - you are very welcome here. We don't care how good or bad your English is, as long as you don't mind us asking if we don't understand something. Tim is our chemistry moderator and I'm sure he'll be happy to have another chemistry person around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim_Lou Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 You are aboslutely welcome to our forum... English isnt a problem.This is a chemistry category, not an English one, right?(my English is terrible as well) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turtle Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 Hi! I have to admit that chemistry is a rather weak subject with me. But I love it nonetheless. I'm curious if your log name referes to chiraldry(sp) the quality of handedness? :) :) :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FREYA021 Posted March 1, 2005 Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 chiral atom is the one that has all R diferent. example, CR4 is chiral if R1,R2,R3,R4 r diferent. those atoms can be opticaly active... u must heard of D or L sugars... it has to do with chirality... :naughty: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeleMad Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 chiral atom is the one that has all R diferent. example, CR4 is chiral if R1,R2,R3,R4 r diferent. those atoms can be opticaly active... u must heard of D or L sugars... it has to do with chirality... :naughty: An atom can be a chiral center if it has 4 different atoms/groups attached, such as an asymetrical carbon atom, but it is the molecule that would be chiral. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpenMind5 Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 Argh! Chemistry...I hated that class. It was fun...maybe if i actually paid attention in that class..o wellWelcome never the less. My name is Open Mind 5 and i will be about this site, if u need naything just call, and as everyone said, english is not a problem...i am sure their are brains here that can understand u! Op5 -Prepare your mind to be opened!Hu-HA- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FREYA021 Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 An atom can be a chiral center if it has 4 different atoms/groups attached, such as an asymetrical carbon atom, but it is the molecule that would be chiral.u r right. i just didnt wanna to bother with chem-dictionary... by the way new chemist calls himself chiralAtom :naughty: for me u r shinny big A of organic chemistry, stereochemistry well done ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleAl Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 chiral atom is the one that has all R diferent. example, CR4 is chiral if R1,R2,R3,R4 r diferent. those atoms can be opticaly active... u must heard of D or L sugars... it has to do with chirality... :naughty: That is sloppy at best and plain wrong at worst. An isolated chiral tetrahedral carbon atom can certainly have four different groups. It can also have four rigorously identical groups, be undistorted, and still be chiral if it has point group T (not T_d or T_h) symmetry. An example is the central carbon in [6.6]chiralane, http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/chiral2.gif http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/chiral3.gif Where is the "chiral atom" in a helicene? In a binaphthyl? In a trans-cycloalkene? Chirality is defined by symmetry - absence of an inversion point, mirror planes, and higher S_n axes of symmetry - not by substitution. All isolated atoms are intrinsically homochiral via the Weak Interaction and neutral current (Z_0 exchange, nucleus to orbiting electrons). The effect is very weak even in the heaviest elements even with interaction strength scaling as (atomic weight)^4. Mendeleev Commun. 13(3) 129 (2003)http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~budker/PubList.htmlPhys. Rev. Lett. 82(12) 2484 (1999)Phys. Rev. Lett. 80(17) 3719 (1998)Rep. Prog. Phys. 60(11) 1351 (1997)Phys. Rev. A 52(3) 1895 (1995)Am. J. Phys. 56 1086 (1988)http://arXiv.org/abs/cond-mat/0207627 --Uncle Alhttp://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/ (Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishteacher73 Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 Ahhh...the wonders of stereochemistry... While the mechanics of stereo chemistry were way too fun in organic (I think I would rather have pins shoved under my nails than have to go to another organic lab and watch something reflux in a fractional distilation tube for an hour or so again) the implications of it in the biological realm are quite fascinating. The abiolity of our body to only produce certain molecules with a specific chirality is amazing (We can barely do it iunder some circumstances in the lab). Along with that is the chiral specific interactions in the body. Coooll.... :naughty: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleAl Posted March 4, 2005 Report Share Posted March 4, 2005 Organic chemistry is life; everything else is waiting. Explanations of biological homochirality's origin are poor at best (read: pathetic), Angew. Chem. Int. Ed. 41(24) 4619 (2002)Angew. Chem. Int. Ed. 41(7) 1139 (2002)Angew. Chem. Int. Ed. 39(22) 4033 (2000)Chem. Phys. Chem. 2(7) 409 (2001)Phys. Rev. Lett. 84(17) 3811 (2000) Quantitative geometric chirality is rigorously defned by mathematican Michel Petitjean, including its calculation in QCM software, Petitjean, Michel, J. Math. Phys. 43(8) 4147 (2002)http://petitjeanmichel.free.fr/itoweb.petitjean.html http://petitjeanmichel.free.fr/itoweb.petitjean.freeware.html#QCM It's a truly nasty field to study as pure math, http://www.mdpi.net/entropy/papers/e5030271.pdf Review of quantitative geometric chirality As long as you are in homogeneous isotropic solution, an organiker's view is good enough for an organiker(e.g., ORD spectroscopy) even though it has little rigor and is seriously wrong at its edges, J. Mol. Phys. 43(6) 1395 (1981)J. Appl. Cryst. 19 108 (1986)J. Chem. Phys. 65(4) 1522 (1976) Angew. Chem. Int. Ed. 38 3418 (1999)Chem. Rev. 98(7) 2391 (1998)J. Am. Chem. Soc. 108 5539 (1986)Nature 405(6789) 932 (2000) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeleMad Posted March 4, 2005 Report Share Posted March 4, 2005 Organic chemistry is life; everything else is waiting. No, biochemistry is life. Organic chemistry, unlike biochemistry, includes a great deal that's not found in living organisms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FREYA021 Posted March 4, 2005 Report Share Posted March 4, 2005 organic chemistry is vocabulary to biocemistry... IT IS WHAT WE R!!! ORGANIC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeleMad Posted March 5, 2005 Report Share Posted March 5, 2005 organic chemistry is vocabulary to biocemistry... IT IS WHAT WE R!!! ORGANIC Lexan polycarbonate and a ton of other compounds, including dozens of amino acids, are organic, but they're not (naturally) found in living organisms. Biochemistry ... IT IS WHAT WE ARE!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FREYA021 Posted March 5, 2005 Report Share Posted March 5, 2005 amono acids not found in organisms???? do u know what u wrote?...and hello! u need to be the best organicher if u tend to become biochemist, scientific one, more chem less biology with is describleble science, not exact as chemsitry, math or phisicsps if u dont know other living forms it doesnt mean that they dont exsist :hyper: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tormod Posted March 5, 2005 Report Share Posted March 5, 2005 amono acids not found in organisms???? do u know what u wrote? The question is, did you read what he wrote? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FREYA021 Posted March 5, 2005 Report Share Posted March 5, 2005 it is typo and u know it! ty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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