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TIME EXPLAINED (v2.1)


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#239 Moronium

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Posted 08 March 2019 - 02:10 PM

You can stop time for a living thing through freezing but time still continues all around it in an objective sense. 

 

Yes, it is a category error to confuse the rates at which periodic physical processes occur with "time itself."  But SR has played a huge part in perpetrating and perpetuating this serious error.

 

The Minkowskian version of SR effectively says that time slows down not clocks (too bad that modern technological advances have disproved this).

 

But the opposite is true.  Clocks slow down, not time.  It can't possibly be both and still have modern theories of relative motion (whether SR or a competing preferred frame theory) explain anything.  It's either one or the other, no matter which theoretical approach one favors.

 

Put another way, the fact that empirical observations have repeatedly shown that clocks do in fact physically change ticking rates with speed kills SR.  On the other hand, this fact is perfectly consistent with the type of preferred frame theory used by the GPS, and with virtually every other branch of physics, including GR, and physical science in general.


Edited by Moronium, 08 March 2019 - 02:52 PM.


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Posted 08 March 2019 - 02:28 PM

You don’t need time to have motion. You need motion to have time. (from the original post)

 

 

It's probably true that we could never conceive of the color white, if everything in the universe were black.  Some contrast is needed.  We often abstract the concept of "time" from our experience by noting that some "change" (usually in motion) has occurred.  Something is not the same "now" as it was "before."

 

But that hardly means that motion is time, or that the concept of time depends on motion.  If nothing (including the thought currently in our head) ever changed, we presumably couldn't conceive of "time."  But time could still be passing, notwithstanding our inability to conceptualize it.

 

Even the act of contemplating an eternal, unchanging state of affairs presupposes a concept of time.  The word eternal is derived from the latin word for aging, and means, essentially "lasting forever."  The word "forever" presupposes the existence of time.

 

All that has probably already been noted in this thread.  I confess I haven't read it.


Edited by Moronium, 08 March 2019 - 03:26 PM.


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Posted 08 March 2019 - 03:32 PM

Time Explained?  Explain why this thread has been going for 12 years???



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Posted 08 March 2019 - 03:33 PM

When he was around 3 years old, my son was convinced that he never slept.  As far as he was concerned the instant he awoke was simply the very next instant following the time he closed his eyes and went to sleep.  No "time" passed for him in between.

 

The widespread inability to distinguish a subjective sense of time from an objective sense of time can again be largely blamed on the arguments used to "prove" SR.  Unfortunately for SR, these arguments are all fallacious.


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Posted 08 March 2019 - 04:02 PM

You time travelled to the future?



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Posted 08 March 2019 - 05:03 PM

You time travelled to the future?

 

I do every second of every day.  BTW, my parrot finds you impudent, not impertinent.  She hasn't commented on the persistent idiocy.



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Posted 08 March 2019 - 05:09 PM

When he was around 3 years old, my son was convinced that he never slept.  As far as he was concerned the instant he awoke was simply the very next instant following the time he closed his eyes and went to sleep.  No "time" passed for him in between.

 

That must have made dreams very confusing for him to integrate with reality..