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#1 Panjandrum

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Posted 09 June 2006 - 02:09 PM

What are the most significant turning points in history? What would have happened if Pontius Pilate had freed Jesus, rather than Barabus? What if Churchill had bowed to the (seemingly) inevitable and made peace with hitler? What if Ogedai Khan had lived just one more year?

Is history an account of the more-or-less inevitable, or an acocunt of improbable events that may well have gone another way?

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Posted 09 June 2006 - 05:16 PM

What are the most significant turning points in history? What would have happened if Pontius Pilate had freed Jesus, rather than Barabus? What if Churchill had bowed to the (seemingly) inevitable and made peace with hitler?

Good thread start Panj! :lol: I see we have a "love" and interest of History in common. ;)

The Crusades -->> which I'd like to start a thread on :eek:

Alexander The Great's rapid conquest of the East

Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire, (which spans hundreds of years)

Industrial Revolution

World War II , which you alluded to

and being American, I will say the Civil War

to name a couple off the top of my head.
This should be an interesting thread. ;)

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Posted 09 June 2006 - 09:05 PM

What are the most significant turning points in history? What would have happened if Pontius Pilate had freed Jesus, rather than Barabus? What if Churchill had bowed to the (seemingly) inevitable and made peace with hitler? What if Ogedai Khan had lived just one more year?

Is history an account of the more-or-less inevitable, or an acocunt of improbable events that may well have gone another way?


Perhaps the entire European nations would have been conquered by the Tartars and Christianity possibly would have been eradicated.

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Posted 09 June 2006 - 09:21 PM

What are the most significant turning points in history?

The Cuban missile crisis,possibly as close as this planet has come to nuclear war.I shudder to think...

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Posted 11 June 2006 - 01:55 PM

i would say the day man learnt to wrote seing as that was the birth of history

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Posted 11 June 2006 - 01:56 PM

perhaps a turning point would be the abolishment of slavery probably the best turning point in history

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Posted 14 June 2006 - 03:37 AM

what if the Dutch settled Australia first, before the English!

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Posted 14 June 2006 - 08:56 AM

what if the Dutch settled Australia first, before the English!


Twould not have made a great deal of diffrence in global terms, I suspect. For one, the Dutch were already past the peak of thier powers by the time Australia was discovered, and I doubt they could have held onto it in the face of British aggression. Even if they had, Holland and England have aligned together in every major conflict for hundreds of years (apart from the Anglo-Dutch wars, of course) so what impact Austrailia has had globally would probably have been replicated.

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Posted 15 June 2006 - 10:54 AM

Concerning America. Because I'm a self centered patriot jerk, who enjoys some good old THC during lunch breaks. The "mini ice age" that drove a lot of cold, sober, europeneans to the americas. Funny how we drink mostly beer in the states. But, euro has quite a taste for wine.

George Washington fighting to not lose the revolutionary war. Rather than the conventional fight-to-win scenario. Almost getting "dethrow" after loosing two battles in a row.

So many more insightful programs on THC. Whether they're historically accurate or not, they're a hell of a lot more entertaining than "The Real World."


There was one about Hitler's start up as an painter. But, wasn't accepted into the art college he wanted to attend, because he couldn't paint people.

Now, why wouldn't hitler like paint people?
Where did he channel the energy he had, after his failed art school attempt?
I think about 6 million jewish folk can tell you, with out saying a word.

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Posted 15 June 2006 - 12:10 PM

I think the biggest single turning point was when a certain ape decided that life in the trees suck.

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Posted 15 June 2006 - 04:08 PM

That would end in s or ed, for us non-primates. :)

Perhaps life in the trees wouldn't suck. I know many men who's life ambition is to build a home high in the trees in Oregon, California, or Brazil.

Could you imagine if Constantine hadn't decided to join with the apostate christians and include the cross or other pagan symbols and rituals in the "christian" church? Maybe true christianity wouldn't have suffered the setbacks it did. :)

What if George hadn't decided to dump his excess tea on the Americas and passed along the taxes, but instead recognized the states and moved the English parliament to New England. Then when Hitler came by and asked for the island, Churchill could have said sure so long as you don't have ambitions of crossing the sea, you can have this hemisphere and I'll keep the west.

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Posted 15 June 2006 - 06:31 PM

I think the biggest single turning point was when a certain ape decided that life in the trees suck.



Terence McKenna says they got high off mushrooms. He wrote a book called "Food of the Gods" that should be arriving at my doorsteps sometime this week.

How about when the little fishies decided that life in water sucks?

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Posted 16 June 2006 - 02:31 AM

Funny how we drink mostly beer in the states. But, euro has quite a taste for wine.

Have you ever tried growing grapes for wine in Hannover or in Manchester?

I suspect it must have been the Spaniards that brought grapes to sunny California.

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Posted 16 June 2006 - 02:45 AM

I suspect it must have been the Spaniards that brought grapes to sunny California.

Q!! A lot of them were *Italians*!!!!! But most of the grapes are French in origin, although long since diverged into completely unique varieties...

Turning point of note here was Prohibition (natch)...

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Posted 16 June 2006 - 02:47 AM

According to George Carlin, the day some guy said, "you see that big black and white animal over there with the bag under it? I'm gonna go over there and squeeze the bag and whatever comes out, I'm gonna *drink* it."

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Posted 16 June 2006 - 08:08 AM

A lot of them were *Italians*!!!!! But most of the grapes are French in origin, although long since diverged into completely unique varieties...

:hihi:, and I always thought Mejico began as a colony of Spain! :)

Spaniards, Italians, Southern French, Greeks, Portugese... no comparison with Brits, Germans, Dutch or Danes in drinking Beer! Europe stretches from the Mediterranean up to the Baltic.

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Posted 16 June 2006 - 10:21 AM

:hihi:, and I always thought Mejico began as a colony of Spain! :)

Yeah, but they didn't plant any grapevines! It wasn't 'til post-Gold Rush days that people tried it, and mostly exclusively north of SF, where the weather is most "Euro-like", which didn't get any white folks until then.

Turning point: John C. Fremont offing the Berreyesa's in 1846...

Vino de Napa,
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