Philadelphia experiment

[rileyj]

hey tormod think you can start a forum about this stuff it would be a good topic to talk about. some theories like blackholes came from sci-fi. maybe some people have ideas about how things like this can really happen.

[sanctus]

after reading your post on the hutchinson effect I wanted as well propose a topic about the philadephia experiment, you were quicker....

 

I don't know if you know but there is a great book written about it, it's from charles berlitz and William L. Moore (the film is crap compared to).

 

I wonder how much is true about it, I just knoe that the recordings on the ships where abouts are missing for a couple of years, but is that a proof?

[Freethinker]

The ship involved in the experiment was supposedly the USS Eldridge. Operational Archives has reviewed the deck log and war diary from Eldridge's commissioning on 27 August 1943 at the New York Navy Yard through December 1943. The following description of Eldridge's activities are summarized from the ship's war diary. After commissioning, Eldridge remained in New York and in the Long Island Sound until 16 September when it sailed to Bermuda. From 18 September, the ship was in the vicinity of Bermuda undergoing training and sea trials until 15 October when Eldridge left in a convoy for New York where the convoy entered on 18 October. Eldridge remained in New York harbor until 1 November when it was part of the escort for Convoy UGS-23 (New York Section). On 2 November the convoy entered Naval Operating Base, Norfolk. On 3 November, Eldridge and Convoy UGS-23 left for Casablanca where it arrived on 22 November. On 29 November, Eldridge left as one of escorts for Convoy GUS-22 and arrived with the convoy on 17 December at New York harbor. Eldridge remained in New York on availability training and in Block Island Sound until 31 December when it steamed to Norfolk with four other ships. During this time frame, Eldridge was never in Philadelphia.

 

Eldridge's complete World War II action report and war diary coverage, including the remarks section of the 1943 deck log, is available on microfilm, NRS-1978-26. The cost of a duplicate film is indicated on the fee schedule. To order a duplicate film, please complete the duplication order form and send a check or money order for the correct amount as indicated on the NHC fee schedule, made payable to the Department of the Navy, to the Operational Archives, at the above address.

 

Supposedly, the crew of the civilian merchant ship SS Andrew Furuseth observed the arrival via teleportation of the Eldridge into the Norfolk area. Andrew Furuseth's movement report cards are in the Tenth Fleet records in the custody of the Modern Military Branch, National Archives and Records Admnistration, (8601 Adelphi Road, College Park, MD 20740-6001), which also has custody of the action reports, war diaries and deck logs of all World War II Navy ships, including Eldridge. The movement report cards list the merchant ship's ports of call, the dates of the visit, and convoy designation, if any. The movement report card shows that Andrew Furuseth left Norfolk with Convoy UGS-15 on 16 August 1943 and arrived at Casablanca on 2 September. The ship left Casablanca on 19 September and arrived off Cape Henry on 4 October. Andrew Furuseth left Norfolk with Convoy UGS-22 on 25 October and arrived at Oran on 12 November. The ship remained in the Mediterranean until it returned with Convoy GUS-25 to Hampton Roads on 17 January 1944. The Archives has a letter from Lieutenant Junior Grade William S. Dodge, USNR, (Ret.), the Master of Andrew Furuseth in 1943, categorically denying that he or his crew observed any unusual event while in Norfolk. Eldridge and Andrew Furuseth were not even in Norfolk at the same time.

[Freethinker]

http://ufos.about.com/library/weekly/aa081997.htm

 

In 1955 a UFO book by a previously little-known author was published. The book was The Case for the UFO, and the author was Morris K. Jessup... In July of 1955, a copy of The Case for the UFO was received by the Chief of the Office of Naval Research in Washington, D.C. The book was sent anonymously, but was postmarked Seminole, Texas. The odd thing about the book was that it had been heavily annotated in the margins, either by three different writers or by one writer using three pens with different colors of ink and disguising his handwriting to make it appear that three writers were involved...The Navy itself was not impressed and chose to ignore the annotated book... Morris Jessup,.. was amazed when he saw the annotations, because he had received three letters written in the same rambling style and in similar handwriting...

 

Here's a sample from one of the letters:

 

There Were good Results, as far as a Group Math Re-Check AND as far as a good Physical "Result," to Boot. YET, THE NAVY FEARS TO USE THIS RESULT...

... The "result" was complete invisibility of a ship, Destroyer type, and all of its crew, While at Sea (Oct. 1943)....

 

The last line quoted refers to what has become known as "The Philadelphia Experiment"....In 1979, the stories that Allende told in his letters to Jessup and in the annotations to Jessup's book, of a ship made invisible by the Navy, were published as factual in a book called The Philadephia Experiment by Charles Berlitz and William Moore(Who else?)

 

After Allende's confession to APRO, and the statements of the Navy, there is little reason to believe that there is any truth to the events known as The Philadelphia Experiment. No other witness among the many that Allende said were present has ever come forward. Naval records show that the USS Eldridge, which was actually a destroyer escort rather than a destroyer, was not at the Philadelphia Naval Yards at the time.

[Freethinker]

There are so many REAL and incredible things that ACTUALLY DO HAPPEN, why are so many people so anxious to accept all the unsupportable nonsense that is tossed out?

[rileyj]

http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq21-2.htm

http://www.viewzone.com/philadelphia22.html

 

no one says they accepted it, just a good topic. besides, that kind of technology will most likely be around in the future. "unsupportable nonsense" is what leads to new ways of thinking, either by proving it right or wrong.

 

" the reasonable man adapts himself to the world, the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man."

[rileyj]

does anyone really think there would be any proof avaliable, after all it is the government

[Freethinker]

And it is because it "is the government" that it is harg to accept that they could keep things that secret. There were plastic model kits of the Stealth Bomber almost immediately after it's early flights. Info was leaked. The gov does not have a very good track record at keeping things secret.

 

Take the moon landing conspirasts (sp?). One of their claims is that it was heavy Computer Generated Graphics. I was not around CG labs at that time. I am not THAT old. However, I did work for the company that was the leading supplier of computer graphics rendering systems for the gov in the mid to late '80's. I KNOW what capabilites where available at that time and a history of how long it took to get there. At that ('80's) time, it would have been nearly impossible to produce the images from the moon landings. The stuff I worked with did Terminator (and II), Batman, Jurasic Park, ...

 

The computers available at the time of the moon landings were so slow and underpowered, they could not have rendered a single frame if they worked for days.

 

But believers want to ignore such realities. Some seem to think that life is more fun if you dont question it too closely. Others find the wonders that we DO know and understand to be so incredible and overwhelming, that we do not want to waste time with the nonsense. We hold our lives to a higher level of requirement for acceptance of claims. We want to know as certain as possible where our efforts will accomplish the greatest good.

 

Others are free to sell their time and energy as cheaply as they see fit.

 

Just stop trying to force me to pay for it.

[rileyj]

you go on some rants sometimes. there are many things are government does that we do not know. i'm not going as far to say the moon landing was fake or that ufo's are real, and i never have . it has done a lot of screwed up things, tested a - bombs on our own troops is one small example. somethings get out by accident, i know your not that old but you are old enough to remember watergate. try and think about what would have been if there wasn't a deepthroat. nixion wins again and no one would have known.

[Freethinker]

There is a diff between the underhanded tactics of the gov/ things they get away with, and the sci-fi conspiracies that make claims that violate science.

 

Just look at the absolute lies and unethical, immoral actions of the current Resident of the White house and his staff. Watergate was NOTHING compared to what the Idiot Child of an ******* ...

http://www.bushflash.com/idiot.html ... is doing.

 

Me rant? :-)

[Freethinker]

Originally posted by: Freethinker

There is a diff between the underhanded tactics of the gov/ things they get away with, and the sci-fi conspiracies that make claims that violate science.

 

Just look at the absolute lies and unethical, immoral actions of the current Resident of the White house and his staff. Watergate was NOTHING compared to what the Idiot Child of an ******* ...

 

http://www.bushflash.com/idiot.html ... is doing.

 

Me rant? :-)

 

But that has nothing to do with providing support for something like the philadephia experiment.

[rileyj]

yeah but bush is an out ******* nixion was in the closet. and i was showing how our government tries to keep things from the people. to know if it violates science you need to know exactly what they were doing, and if it was possible for them to have stubbled on to something and were unable to repeat it. that has happened in science before.

[Freethinker]

If you stumble on to something, and can't repeat it, it is NOT science.

 

I have little doubt that the gov, esp Dubya's crew, is trying to get away with (and has) all kinds of illegal and immoral/ unethical actions. But when the assertion involves laws of physics, issues of known science, the gov is NOT in a position to violate laws of physics than anyone else.

 

Thus many of these claims can be evaluated in areas outside of government secrecy.

[paultrr]

One side thruth also to bear in mind is that our understanding of physics changes over time. Now, while our government would not be expected to in its labs to find say a solution around the laws of thermodynamics, it is possible given the nearly limitless funds compared to outside less secret research, that they might find solutions to say propulsion, weaphons, etc that normal labs would not have the funds to do the proper research in. But the problem there is that while most government funded military lab work remains the property of the government its very hard to hide such matters for ever.

 

As one back in my college days who looked into the story behind the Phildelphia experiment and via my Dad had some inside knolwedge of Varo coportion also referenced in connected books like Jessup's "Case for the UFO" and some of Project Rainbows legends I can say two things. The experiment had nothing to do with making a ship invisible. It involved using EM pulses to jam enemy radar. There is no substantial evidence about visually the craft actually disappeared. Also the real craft involved was not the Eldridge at all. They did manage to jam radar. Something now done a lot these days. Yes, the crew was exposed to high energy EM and it is true some of the crew did get RF burns. But that is as far as the real experiment ever went. Keep in mind that during WWII and after our government also tested the effects of radiation on its own people.

 

If there is anything worth looking at from all of that storyline it would be a deeper probe into the death of Dr, Jessup himself. The ME at that time found certain aspects odd. Also, I might add there is absolutely no substance to the original storyline tale about Einstein being connected with project rainbow.

 

The original code name, "Project Rainbow" as far as admitted code names goes is unclassified at this time. However, no real decent solid records exist anymore outside a few that cover the Eldridge whereabouts, its crew, etc. A few Military documents refer to the testing of EM fields to counter enemy radar from back then.