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Was Jesus a Philosopher?

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#18 Flummoxed

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Posted 01 August 2020 - 04:35 AM

What you are not understanding is they incorporated some of the story of Apollonius into the Jesus story.

 

 

 

The Jesus Story is just that a story, and not based on fact. The Roman Empire needed a common religion to help prevent the break up of the empire. They took ideas stories from many other religions at the time and made a religion that all the different groups might agree with. The Empire failed, but the Holy Roman Catholic Church based in the Vatican thrives. 

 

The Vatican is quite an impressive building you might like to have a wander around Rome. 

 

Egypt is also an interesting place to go, I would recommend a Nile cruise if they are still running after Covid 19. Go the weeks before Christmas, you get good deals and there are less people around the antiquities. Dendera is very interesting to have a wander around. The Egyptian police have lots guns like the American Police you will be at home :)



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Posted 01 August 2020 - 04:49 AM

The Jesus Story is just that a story, and not based on fact. The Roman Empire needed a common religion to help prevent the break up of the empire. They took ideas stories from many other religions at the time and made a religion that all the different groups might agree with. The Empire failed, but the Holy Roman Catholic Church based in the Vatican thrives. 

 

The Vatican is quite an impressive building you might like to have a wander around Rome. 

 

Egypt is also an interesting place to go, I would recommend a Nile cruise if they are still running after Covid 19. Go the weeks before Christmas, you get good deals and there are less people around the antiquities. Dendera is very interesting to have a wander around. The Egyptian police have lots guns like the American Police you will be at home :)

I am glad we can agree on something. :lol:



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Posted 01 August 2020 - 12:35 PM

I am glad we can agree on something. :lol:

 

Yeah Americas Police are like the Egyptian Police, dangerous with them guns. :)

 

It appears to be generally accepted by all that the Jesus figure did not exist, at least not as told by the men of old in the council of nicea. 

 

Is there anything philosophical in what was written, about what Jesus was meant to have said, accepting he did not exist. Focusing on the question of the OP

 

Philosophy being an attitude that acts as a guiding principle for human behavior. Did the Jesus story have any guiding principles for peoples behaviour today, that they wouldnt otherwise have worked out for them selves.

 

Philosophical waffle plato.stanford.edu/entries/philosophy-religion/ 



#21 Thoth101

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Posted 01 August 2020 - 10:05 PM

Yeah Americas Police are like the Egyptian Police, dangerous with them guns. :)

 

It appears to be generally accepted by all that the Jesus figure did not exist, at least not as told by the men of old in the council of nicea. 

 

Is there anything philosophical in what was written, about what Jesus was meant to have said, accepting he did not exist. Focusing on the question of the OP

 

Philosophy being an attitude that acts as a guiding principle for human behavior. Did the Jesus story have any guiding principles for peoples behaviour today, that they wouldnt otherwise have worked out for them selves.

 

Philosophical waffle plato.stanford.edu/entries/philosophy-religion/ 

Well it seems they are more dangerous with their knee then guns. :lol: You can thank the Bush's and Obama for making the police more militarized. But they were just the puppets that helped the agenda of the Global Elite to put us in the state we are in now. I was talking about this when Bush and Obama were in but no one seemed to care at the time. Now it has gone to far and people are rioting which is just going to make the police state worse. As I have been saying over and over again it is problem, reaction and solution. The plan is smart cities where everyone is tracked. Maybe watch the Matrix movies again.

 

Well tell that to billions of people that think a literal Jesus existed. Most people live an illusion to what the truth really is.



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Posted 02 August 2020 - 05:41 PM

Thoth can easily answer the question by asking the son of the god, his Mr. Icke!



#23 VictorMedvil

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Posted 02 August 2020 - 07:10 PM

Jesus was just some dumbass that got himself nailed to a cross by Romans. If he was a real man he would have nailed the Roman Emperor to a cross. I don't listen to weaklings!


Edited by VictorMedvil, 02 August 2020 - 07:13 PM.

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Posted 02 August 2020 - 09:55 PM

Jesus was just some dumbass that got himself nailed to a cross by Romans. If he was a real man he would have nailed the Roman Emperor to a cross. I don't listen to weaklings!

You may find this interesting about the cross Victor:

 

The following is a timeline of the symbolic transformation of the “crux”, i.e. southern crux star constellation, on which the “sun” conceptually “dies”, at winter solstice, i.e. solar standstill, for three days, to the modern Christian cross, the symbol on which Jesus is said to be crucified, dies, for three days, and is reborn, i.e. rises from the dead:

http://www.eoht.info/page/cross

 

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3500BC
The sun, conceptualized as the sun god Ra, of the Egyptian pre-dynastic era, seemingly "dying" on or at the location of the southern crux star constellation, per Peter Joseph (2006) etymology, therein "standing still" (winter solstice), after which the sun is reborn, i.e. begins to increase in number of daylight hours.



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Posted 03 August 2020 - 12:57 AM

Thoth can easily answer the question by asking the son of the god, his Mr. Icke!

If you ever read any of Ickes books you would see that he exposes religions for what they are very well. In a few of the books whole chapters on how the Bible Jesus didn't exist.

 

The ancients took the circle of the zodiac (a Greek word meaning animal circle) and inserted a cross to mark the four seasons. At the center of the cross, they placed the Sun. So many of the pre-Christian deities were said to have been born on December 25th because of this symbolism. On December 2lst-22nd, you have the winter solstice when, in the northern hemisphere, the Sun is at the lowest point of its power in the annual cycle. The Sun, the ancients said, had symbolically ‘died’. By December 25th, the Sun had demonstrably begun its symbolic journey back to the summer and the peak of its power. The ancients, therefore, said that the Sun was ‘born’ on December 25th. The Christian Christmas is merely a renamed Pagan festival, as indeed are all Christian festivals. Easter is another. About March 25th, the old fixed date for Easter, the Sun enters the astrological sign of Aries the ram or the lamb. At this time the ancients used to sacrifice lambs because they believed this would appease the gods, most notably the Sun god, and ensure abundant harvests. In other words they believed that the blood of the lamb would mean that their sins would be forgiven.

 

In ancient Babylon, Tammuz, the son of Queen Semiramis, was said to have been crucified with a lamb at his feet and placed in a cave. When a rock was rolled away from the cave’s entrance three days later, his body had disappeared. I’ve definitely heard that somewhere before. The ancients also symbolised the Sun as a baby in December, a youth at Easter, a strapping, immensely strong, man in the summer, an ageing man losing his power in the autumn, and an old man by the winter solstice. The modern depiction of Old Father Time is a version of this. They also symbolised the Sun as having long golden hair (sun rays) which got shorter as he lost his power in the months of autumn. Now look again at the Old Testament story of Samson -Sam-sun. He was incredibly strong and had long hair, but he lost his power when his hair was cut. The problems started when he entered the House of Delilah - the astrological house of Virgo, the virgin, through which the Sun passes as autumn approaches. Summoning his last burst of power, Sam-the-Sun, pushes down the two pillars, which are classic Brotherhood symbolism going back at least to ancient Egypt and are still used by the Freemasons today. Samson is Sam Sun - a symbolic story of the Sun’s annual cycle. There wasn’t any such person. In Hebrew, Samson means I understand, the God of the Sun. To the orthodox Christian, Jesus is the only begotten Son of God who died so our sins could be forgiven. But you will find exactly the same claims for a stream of ‘gods’ in the ancient world long before the name of ‘Jesus’ was even heard of. Indeed, we know his name wasn’t Jesus because that’s a Greek translation of a Hebrew name. The term Son of God would seem to originate at least as far back as the Aryan Gothic kings of Cilicia who took the title ‘Son of the Sun God’, a tradition adopted by the Pharaohs of Egypt. To many in the New Age, Jesus is Sananda, a high initiate of some spiritual hierarchy who incarnated to infuse the Earth with the ‘Christ’ energy. Or, depending on who you talk to, he was an extraterrestrial on a similar mission. To others he was claiming to be the King of the ‘Jews’ by right of his King David bloodline. But did Jesus actually exist? Did Moses, Solomon and King David exist? I would say categorically no. There is no credible evidence for the existence of any of them outside the biblical texts and they are certainly not credible. So where did they come from?

 

LATER ON IN THE BOOK........................................

 

The New Testament OK, a little quiz. Who am I talking about? He was born to a virgin by immaculate conception through the intervention of a holy spirit. This fulfilled an ancient prophecy. When he was born the ruling tyrant wanted to kill him. His parents had to flee to safety. All male children under the age of two were slain by the ruler as he sought to kill the child. Angels and shepherds were at his birth and he was given gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh. He was worshipped as the savior of men and led a moral and humble life. He performed miracles which included healing the sick, giving sight to the blind, casting out devils and raising the dead. He was put to death on the cross between two thieves. He descended to hell and rose from the dead to ascend back to heaven. Sounds exactly like Jesus doesn’t it? But it’s not. That is how they described the Eastern savior god known as Virishna 1,200 years before Jesus is claimed to have been born. If you want a savior god who died so our sins could be forgiven, take your pick from the ancient world because there are a stream of them. Here are just some of the ‘Son of God’ heroes who play the lead role in stories which mirror those attributed to Jesus and almost all were worshipped long before Jesus was even heard of:

 

Khrishna of Hindostan; Buddha Sakia of India; Salivahana of Bermuda; Osiris and Horus of Egypt; Odin of Scandinavia; Crite of Chaldea; Zoroaster of Persia; Baal and Taut of Phoenicia; Indra of Tibet; Bali of Afghanistan; Jao of Nepal; Wittoba of Bilingonese; Tammuz of Syria and Babylon; Attis of Phrygia; Xamolxis of Thrace; Zoar of the Bonzes; Adad of Assyria; Deva Tat and Sammonocadam of Siam; Alcides of Thebes; Mikado of the Sintoos; Beddru of Japan; Hesus or Eros, and Bremrillahm, of the Druids; Thor, son of Odin, of the Gauls; Cadmus of Greece; Hil and Feta of Mandaites; Gentaut and Quetzalcoatl of Mexico; Universal Monarch of the Sibyls; Ischy of Formosa; Divine Teacher of Plato; Holy One of Xaca; Fohi and Tien of China; Adonis, son of virgin lo, of Greece; Ixion and Quirinus of Rome; Prometheus of the Caucasus; and Mohammed or Mahomet, of Arabia.

 

Excerpt from:

"THE BIGGEST SECRET"
David Icke

 Bridge of Love Publications USA


Edited by Thoth101, 03 August 2020 - 01:01 AM.


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Posted 05 August 2020 - 03:49 AM

If you ever read any of Ickes books you would see that he exposes religions for what they are very well. In a few of the books whole chapters on how the Bible Jesus didn't exist.

 

 

 

If you ever read anything else, other than, about D icke, you would realize everything you cut and paste about your mate D icke is old hat he is not sayng anything new.

 

You seem to be reading it for the first time. Is this not common knowledge where you all are from. Richard Dawkings doesnt do conspiracy, but he demolishes most religious stories, without the bullshit driving D icke. Could D icke have used him as one of his sources > https://www.richarddawkins.net/ or maybe he used https://www.crystalinks.com/ :) or https://www.crystali...om/emerald.html :)



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Posted 05 August 2020 - 09:56 PM

If you ever read anything else, other than, about D icke, you would realize everything you cut and paste about your mate D icke is old hat he is not sayng anything new.

 

You seem to be reading it for the first time. Is this not common knowledge where you all are from. Richard Dawkings doesnt do conspiracy, but he demolishes most religious stories, without the bullshit driving D icke. Could D icke have used him as one of his sources > https://www.richarddawkins.net/ or maybe he used https://www.crystalinks.com/  :) or https://www.crystali...om/emerald.html  :)

I read this certain Icke book about 10 years ago. Not to mention the book is from 1998 over 22 years old. I was just sharing the info for those that don't know.I read a lot of books and Icke is not the only one. Your hate of Icke for no reason is extremely sickening and ignorant.

 

Another of my favorites is Acharya S. The very first book I read when I broke out of my religion was by her called "The Christ Conspiracy The Greatest Story ever Sold".

http://tbknews.blogs...PfFLQtvKtpMGMvF

She sadly died a few years ago.

 

And NO, it is not common knowledge in America. There is practically a church of every corner. Do you not realize how many people still follow the Christian religion? There is about  2.2 billion Christians in the world and most believe a Jesus existed. Your probably to busy tending to your slaves in Portugal to realize that. :lol:

 

You are just quite the ignorant person arn't you. I would be surprised if you even read at all.  Maybe you should spend more time learning something and reading a book then worrying about the information I put down. You don't believe anything I say any way.



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Posted 06 August 2020 - 11:11 AM

I read this certain Icke book about 10 years ago. Not to mention the book is from 1998 over 22 years old. I was just sharing the info for those that don't know.I read a lot of books and Icke is not the only one. Your hate of Icke for no reason is extremely sickening and ignorant.

 

Another of my favorites is Acharya S. The very first book I read when I broke out of my religion was by her called "The Christ Conspiracy The Greatest Story ever Sold".

http://tbknews.blogs...PfFLQtvKtpMGMvF

She sadly died a few years ago.

 

And NO, it is not common knowledge in America. There is practically a church of every corner. Do you not realize how many people still follow the Christian religion? There is about  2.2 billion Christians in the world and most believe a Jesus existed. Your probably to busy tending to your slaves in Portugal to realize that. :lol:

 

You are just quite the ignorant person arn't you. I would be surprised if you even read at all.  Maybe you should spend more time learning something and reading a book then worrying about the information I put down. You don't believe anything I say any way.

You continue to assume you know or have some knowledge of what I think or feel about stuff. You are wan dum fuk  :rofl:

 

You have to be one of the dumbest people I have come across. 

 

Portugal is mainly socialist we currently only have wage slaves. You may like to know at the end of the slave period, the Portuguese sold most of the slaves to America  :shocked:  Why do you think you have so many ex slaves, nobody else wanted.

 

Most of the information you put down is a mixture of facts, misunderstandings and misinformation.

 

You call me ignorant  :rofl: :rofl:  :rofl:   :rofl:    go and get your self a real education.