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#1 Dubbelosix

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Posted 02 December 2019 - 08:27 AM

Can someone with better understanding into computer coding, explain to me how the minecraft generates infinite worlds? They cannot be truly infinite, an algorithm must be set in place to generate places in the world. Anyone with knowledge on this care to help my understanding, because it has led me to some curious ideas which I would like to share with the group.


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Posted 02 December 2019 - 08:29 AM

Can someone with better understanding into computer coding, explain to me how the minecraft generates infinite worlds? They cannot be truly infinite, an algorithm must be set in place to generate places in the world. Anyone with knowledge on this care to help my understanding, because it has led me to some curious ideas which I would like to share with the group.

 

Seeds, basically the map follows a pattern then the world is generated on that pattern to a infinite amount, https://www.computer...rgon/s/seed.htm


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Posted 02 December 2019 - 08:31 AM

I thought so, there were obvious repeating patterns throughout the game that suggested to me it was repeating certain structures but in variously small different ways... I will come back tomorrow with the continuation of the thread. 


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Posted 04 December 2019 - 04:18 AM

In Minecraft worlds are infinite using an algorithm and it is here the computer programming of "seeding" comes into a funny crossroads with a new type of investigation which may lead to a credence of simulated reality theory. You may classify a system like a simulated reality either as a by-product of some superior intelligence, or even a act of nature... We cannot answer such a question as of yet.

I noticed while playing, scenes will tend to repeat themselves under the  program with slight differences and the ponderable became exposed, "we have always wondered whether the universe is a program but as of yet, no suggested program has understood the complexities of a universe like our own, or how such complexity could arise on a large scale program. "

It was from here I asked, "what if it wasn't as complex as we thought initially?" I am not saying Minecraft holds the solution in total but could hold a very important premise behind what kind of program could be behind a universe like our own. So this is where it gets a bit strange, regardless, my persona has shown over the years hopefully that while I respect science I respect creative thought above all others, regardless of a standard model existing.

Don't get annoyed at my subtle and naive understanding of computer dynamics as I ask for solely this to be seen from someone postulating a possible avenue under physics alone... Even computers lin the early days confounded  even Feynman who notably said in the early era of computer technology [roughly quoting] , "isn't this great? They can make things appear on a screen!"

Is it possible we could find a pattern in large scale phenomenon suggesting we live in a similar type of program? Also look up computer error codes found in string theory.

Large scale homogeneity and repeated patterns in cluster distribution could be the kind of evidence to look for. If we could exist in a fundamental world, particle interactions often repeat at the subatomic scales and not just cosmic scales.

I quote Penrose, "it's wild, so wild it could be true."

So I set two hypothesis, very simple suggestions...

The strong particle hypothesis

States; that repeating systems due to particle interactions happens frequently due to fundamental laws.

The weak cosmic hypothesis

States; that repeating systems happens often, but not as frequent but also due to fundamental laws.

In the last three decades as we spanned the universe for Earth like planets, we came to perhaps not so naively dub as Earth 2, Earth 3..  And now with over 500 identified, we may as well call it an earth-N factor... Names dubbed for planets holding similar conditions to Earth in Goldilock zones, is also a type of repeated system as a quick example. I am not with full confidence saying a replicate of Earthexists, only that small variations may make it appear that way.

Quantum connections that may play a role in cosmological large structure

Gravitational interaction from entanglement.

If the moon was a particle it would be entangled with earth. That relationship would be understood from a localised orbit. The entanglement loosely speaking would be dependent then on the density of curvature between two objects so long as gravity and entanglement are indeed interdependent phenomenon.

Gravitational lensing from wave particle duality

If a galaxy can be seen in more than one place due to gravitational lensing, is this understandable from the wave particle duality in which a fundamental system can appear to be in more than one place (this is in recent light of the galaxy repeated several times this year) ? The idea here is that the bridge between quantum and cosmic phenomenon indicate possible large scale phenomenon in a semi-classical model. Some aspects of quantum theory in other words, may continue to cosmic scales in ways we have not considered.

Leaving aside these other thoughts which haunted my mind about how the fundamental replicates a large scale structure into the classical domain which is not easy to understand but the way I trained myself, is that while quantum mechanics is counterintuitive to modern physical macroscopic interactions it is still, a special application of classical physics, while classical physics is a special rendition of quantum limits. For instance, it is well known that some particle interactions can behave like classical systems... If the classical interaction is within its grasp, then classical physics will truly be just a special limit case of quantum mechanics.

This year Paul Davis suggested that DNA could hold a message for humanity, so as the wild ideasare out there, I am throwing this in.

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Posted 04 December 2019 - 09:03 AM

In Minecraft worlds are infinite using an algorithm and it is here the computer programming of "seeding" comes into a funny crossroads with a new type of investigation which may lead to a credence of simulated reality theory. You may classify a system like a simulated reality either as a by-product of some superior intelligence, or even a act of nature... We cannot answer such a question as of yet.

I noticed while playing, scenes will tend to repeat themselves under the  program with slight differences and the ponderable became exposed, "we have always wondered whether the universe is a program but as of yet, no suggested program has understood the complexities of a universe like our own, or how such complexity could arise on a large scale program. "

It was from here I asked, "what if it wasn't as complex as we thought initially?" I am not saying Minecraft holds the solution in total but could hold a very important premise behind what kind of program could be behind a universe like our own. So this is where it gets a bit strange, regardless, my persona has shown over the years hopefully that while I respect science I respect creative thought above all others, regardless of a standard model existing.

Don't get annoyed at my subtle and naive understanding of computer dynamics as I ask for solely this to be seen from someone postulating a possible avenue under physics alone... Even computers lin the early days confounded  even Feynman who notably said in the early era of computer technology [roughly quoting] , "isn't this great? They can make things appear on a screen!"

Is it possible we could find a pattern in large scale phenomenon suggesting we live in a similar type of program? Also look up computer error codes found in string theory.

Large scale homogeneity and repeated patterns in cluster distribution could be the kind of evidence to look for. If we could exist in a fundamental world, particle interactions often repeat at the subatomic scales and not just cosmic scales.

I quote Penrose, "it's wild, so wild it could be true."

So I set two hypothesis, very simple suggestions...

The strong particle hypothesis

States; that repeating systems due to particle interactions happens frequently due to fundamental laws.

The weak cosmic hypothesis

States; that repeating systems happens often, but not as frequent but also due to fundamental laws.

In the last three decades as we spanned the universe for Earth like planets, we came to perhaps not so naively dub as Earth 2, Earth 3..  And now with over 500 identified, we may as well call it an earth-N factor... Names dubbed for planets holding similar conditions to Earth in Goldilock zones, is also a type of repeated system as a quick example. I am not with full confidence saying a replicate of Earthexists, only that small variations may make it appear that way.

Quantum connections that may play a role in cosmological large structure

Gravitational interaction from entanglement.

If the moon was a particle it would be entangled with earth. That relationship would be understood from a localised orbit. The entanglement loosely speaking would be dependent then on the density of curvature between two objects so long as gravity and entanglement are indeed interdependent phenomenon.

Gravitational lensing from wave particle duality

If a galaxy can be seen in more than one place due to gravitational lensing, is this understandable from the wave particle duality in which a fundamental system can appear to be in more than one place (this is in recent light of the galaxy repeated several times this year) ? The idea here is that the bridge between quantum and cosmic phenomenon indicate possible large scale phenomenon in a semi-classical model. Some aspects of quantum theory in other words, may continue to cosmic scales in ways we have not considered.

Leaving aside these other thoughts which haunted my mind about how the fundamental replicates a large scale structure into the classical domain which is not easy to understand but the way I trained myself, is that while quantum mechanics is counterintuitive to modern physical macroscopic interactions it is still, a special application of classical physics, while classical physics is a special rendition of quantum limits. For instance, it is well known that some particle interactions can behave like classical systems... If the classical interaction is within its grasp, then classical physics will truly be just a special limit case of quantum mechanics.

This year Paul Davis suggested that DNA could hold a message for humanity, so as the wild ideasare out there, I am throwing this in.

 

Well, All I can say about this is I hope this universe is not a computer simulation as that would mean there is a creator and I am against all forms of religion being right. This would also be very dim fate for humanity to do all this work on this world just for someone to say, "It isn't real you worked for no reason other than to be deleted like a minecraft save". Basically there would be no point of doing anything if truly this world and it's entire existence is simulated there would be no point learning the laws of this universe as the only thing that is important is the unsimulated hyper-universe as that would make this reality like a playground to live to suffer to die for no reason other than someone would not make the universe differently inside a computer on self-aware beings, it would make for a pointless existence.

 

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Edited by VictorMedvil, 04 December 2019 - 09:24 AM.