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In the same vane I finally stumbled across another supporting link for universal consciousness, ie your brain hooks into part of it, making you https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/think-well/201906/does-consciousness-exist-outside-the-brain

 

Just wow!! That is an amazing article and I truly think Fenwick’s cosmic consciousness hypothesis is as close to the truth as you can get. I do believe in the near future this will be able to be proved through Quantum Physics. What a great find Flummoxed! I will post a little bit of it here from your link in case someone is to lazy to click the link.

 

But according to the decades-long research of Dr. Peter Fenwick, a highly regarded neuropsychiatrist who has been studying the human brain, consciousness, and the phenomenon of near death experience (NDE) for 50 years, this view is incorrect. Despite initially being highly incredulous of NDEs and related phenomena, Fenwick now believes his extensive research suggests that consciousness persists after death. In fact, Fenwick believes that consciousness actually exists independently and outside of the brain as an inherent property of the universe itself like dark matter and dark energy or gravity.

 

Hence, in Fenwick’s view, the brain does not create or produce consciousness; rather, it filters it. As odd as this idea might seem at first, there are some analogies that bring the concept into sharper focus. For example, the eye filters and interprets only a very small sliver of the electromagnetic spectrum and the ear registers only a narrow range of sonic frequencies. Similarly, according to Fenwick, the brain filters and perceives only a tiny part of the cosmos’ intrinsic “consciousness.”

 

What’s more, according to Fenwick, our consciousness tricks us into perceiving a false duality of self and other when in fact there is only unity. We are not separate from other aspects of the universe but an integral and inextricable part of them. And when we die, we transcend the human experience of consciousness, and its illusion of duality, and merge with the universe's entire and unified property of consciousness. So, ironically, only in death can we be fully conscious.

 

This is not to be taken as joining God or a creator because the cosmic consciousness that Fenwick describes did not create the universe but is simply a property of it. Obviously, despite his impressive body of research into this subject, there is no current way to empirically establish the validity of Fenwick’s cosmic consciousness hypothesis. Ultimately, it aligns more with faith than science. Thus it seems the answer to the question in this post’s title is “No.” There is no empirically established explanatory framework for understanding how consciousness can exist independently and outside of the brain.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/think-well/201906/does-consciousness-exist-outside-the-brain

 

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Does anyone know much about Quantum mechanics on this forum, that might be bold enough to comment, on this link https://www.jstor.or...an_tab_contents and the above you have pasted in.

 

Bear in mind Clifford N. Lazarus Ph.D.  is a neuropsychiatriste (how do you spell that word) and not a physicist. It might be interesting to try these links out on another forum, to see if anyone heavily into quantum mechanics will comment. Although it they might be too fringe for them. Perhaps if I post them in speculations or as a question.

Oh wow! Awesomeness in a small fragment.lol! What I got from it is that there is no time. Everything is running all together at once and our individuality focuses on a certain point. She uses all these words and Einstein but that is what I seen reading it. Thank you. Just another proof to the reality we currently are at is not the total reality in which is known. Nice little piece in a nutshell.

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Does anyone know much about Quantum mechanics on this forum, that might be bold enough to comment, on this link https://www.jstor.or...an_tab_contents and the above you have pasted in.

 

Bear in mind Clifford N. Lazarus Ph.D.  is a neuropsychiatriste (how do you spell that word) and not a physicist. It might be interesting to try these links out on another forum, to see if anyone heavily into quantum mechanics will comment. Although it they might be too fringe for them. Perhaps if I post them in speculations or as a question.

Sorry I don't have a PHD in Quantum Physics but to that will be known in the future a piece of paper means nothing in this 3d world.

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Good thing in this forum is you don't have to believe me I just get you to think for yourself. All I want everyone to do is thing for themselves and actually learn how to ask questions and learn. It is time now to learn in the 2020. Are we going to be stuck in this world we live in or are we going to make it better is the question, Even to make it better I will show myself tonight.

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A couple of interesting links on consciousness, Radio consciousness https://anewmythos.com/is-the-brain-a-radio-for-the-frequency-of-consciousness/

 

And Roger Penrose and Stuart Hamerhoff ORCH-OR theory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lz4etUyiAVo

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orchestrated_objective_reduction

 

Edit forgot to post Panpsychism link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panpsychism

Good to keep the thread going. I am pretty convinced our consciousness survives after the death of the body and I am not scared to die. But it is great to keep doing research on it.

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A couple of interesting links on consciousness, Radio consciousness https://anewmythos.com/is-the-brain-a-radio-for-the-frequency-of-consciousness/

 

And Roger Penrose and Stuart Hamerhoff ORCH-OR theory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lz4etUyiAVo

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orchestrated_objective_reduction

 

Edit forgot to post Panpsychism link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panpsychism

This might blow your socks off.

 

https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/document/cia-rdp96-00792r000500400001-8

 

Little snip:

 

International Conference On Psychotronic

1983

Dr. Inomata from Japan presented a description of a complex electromagnetic field, in which one ordinarily experiences the real part of the field, and the complex or "shadow" field interacts with consciousness and is responsible for psi effects. He says that consciousness can change the flow of time, but not interact with matter directly. He suggests that the electron beam interference observed in the Bohm-Aharanov effect would be a good psi sensor because one need affect only the electron phase to get an observable effect.

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I have a tendency to look for a scientific theory supporting a claim, rather than just opt for blind belief without understanding a mechanism. 

 

Penrose puts forward a mechanism of sorts as does the JSTOR paper. Both appear at first glance plausible.

A claimed flaw in Penroses is idea is that entanglement could only exist in the brain/body at very low temperatures. Degrees of entanglement and durations of entanglement are debated. If you look on the internet Penrose is a genius and at times a wacko, you must make up your own mind. 

Something not discussed as far as I am aware, ref this theory, but amuses me, is that by whatever medium entanglement information is transmitted between particles, time does not seem to come into it. Non locality is now a proven fact, future events can influence past events certainly at the quantum level. 

 

A big problem is most of science don't support life after death. Once you are dead you are dead most say. We usually are born with 2 versions of reality. One side says once your dead your dead. The other side says you go to a heaven or hell. I think they are both wrong and it is not all black and white. I have seen a few in Quantum Physics making strides in it though. I think Quantum Physics understands the "Doors of Perception" a lot better than say Jim Nye the science guy or whatever that fools name is.

 

Yes we can all debate it until we are blue in the head. The fact is we are all going to die one day and than you will for sure know the truth and who was right. Although it is a good idea to have your consciousness ready for when you die or you may end up getting lost once you leave the body. The good news is though you will find out the truth one day once that heart and brain stop ticking. I will be prepared for it. Heck we may even find out sooner than later with this Corona virus going around. :wink:

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It happens. Is that christian forum having an effect on your sanity :)

You deny the absolute power and the sacred teachings of Medvilism, Victor Medvil ate 3 potato chips in 1 second obviously he is the one true god. Do you doubt said miracle of divinity?

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That is why its called fringe theory or pseudo science. The intriguing thing about, the JSTOR paper is that I can not see a hole in the reasoning. It could be assumed to be by critics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_even_wrong .  Not provable or disprovable. I am still looking into Penroses side of the argument as a form of amusement.

 

I definitely do not believe in heaven or hell concepts of religion. Neither do I believe in the concept of gods, which are another aspect of some religions. 

 

Edit https://arxiv.org/pdf/1910.08423.pdf A recent study on consciousness based around Penroses ideas.

I would call it common sense but they can label it whatever they want to. I totally agree with you on the religious concepts especially with heaven and hell. That is just be a fear tactic to keep the religions followers. And maybe these entities that were labeled gods in the past were aliens. That would be called the ancient astronaut theory. I do want to commend you though for having a consciousness open enough to explore these things that they label fringe theory or pseudo science. It is my contention that the global elite do not want humans to know the truth and what we really are or they will lose their power. Most of the population never looks into these things and will just be a mind controlled zombie all their life.

 

Thanks for the PDF. I will give it a read. :yes:

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Oh, I was just trolling, I said something about "Believe in the one true god, Victor Medvil". I am a mix between a troll and a real contributor sometimes I troll other times I actually contribute.

 

I think those Christian forums are getting in your head an sucking you in. :lol: Be careful the Christian virus could infect you with the love of Jesus. :rofl:  :lol:

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I only believe in the path of moses... Jesus was just a faker.

 

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Why would you suffer when you can make others suffer?

:lol:  :lol: It can also be debated that the Bible Moses never existed either but their was a Syrian myth with an entity named Misis.

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Whether or not he existed, I still like the idea of plaguing people for no reason, better than getting nailed to a cross for no reason.

That is true. :lol: I find it amazing that a lot of Christians believe their God sent this Corona Virus to kill off the evil humans. So yea I could see why you would like Yahweh and Moses. :lol:

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I want you to consider something, what if Jesus wasn't such a ***** and actually used Moses's plague powers on the roman empire. I would have even sent him a Zombie Virus backward in time if I thought he would use it and wasn't a *****.

 

The problem might be that Jesus didn't actually exist. Although I am sure there were plenty of entities there at the time that wanted to take the Roman Empire out.

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I want you to consider something, what if Jesus wasn't such a ***** and actually used Moses's plague powers on the roman empire. I would have even sent him a Zombie Virus backward in time if I thought he would use it and wasn't a *****.

 

Wait........Something just came to me on your thought. What if the Nazi's actually did develop time travel and space travel and picked this time to inflict a virus on the whole world so they can come back in and take over. Just a thought.lol!

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Wait........Something just came to me on your thought. What if the Nazi's actually did develop time travel and space travel and picked this time to inflict a virus on the whole world so they can come back in and take over. Just a thought.lol!

The Nazi's are long since dead and they never discovered such a thing in the pre-atomic era, that would be like saying, "Why didn't cavemen have tanks, maybe they had tanks."

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