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#1 SaxonViolence

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Posted 01 June 2019 - 11:48 PM

Friends.

 

It has been awhile before I came around.

 

Truthfully, I discovered Chinese Light Novels and my addiction leaves me little time or enthusiasm for other things...

 

Anyway, in days gone by there were beaucoup members—each more brilliant than the last.

 

Rather than have to explain which Forum that I was referring to when I discussed something with my sister, that I'd read here, I'd simply call it "That Genius' Forum."

 

There used to be one fellow who disliked me with a burning passion—something to do with my handle and motto. Truthfully, I used to avoid coming around unless I had a burning question simply because I saw little need to antagonize him.

 

There was also a kind-hearted moderator who asked me not to feel unwelcome.

 

Fast forward, and the Forum had a new name and it was being reorganized to mainly be a learning resource for students.

 

Skip another couple or three years and now you have about five or six active posters. 

 

What happened?

 

I suppose that the fellow who disliked me is no longer active—or he would have excoriated me again by now. I don't know if the kind moderator is still aboard or not.

 

I don't remember either of their handles. When I went to look at some of the old posts just to get the names—all of the old archives seems to have disappeared.

 

Y'all seem a good crowd and—not to exaggerate my importance—it seems like you could use another reasonably frequent poster. I will try to come around fairly often.

 

Forums seem to have a critical mass for both members and number of posts, Also, once above the critical mass they seem to grow by a slow exponential rate...

 

Until something knocks them in the head and then they waste away remarkably rapidly.

 

 

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#2 VictorMedvil

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Posted 02 June 2019 - 12:49 AM

It has been overthrown by relativity cranks is what happened. The non-relativity cranks are having trouble holding back the horde of relativity cranks there is a constant war between crank and non-crank. *takes a wet stone to his sword, sharpening it* The combat will continue into the near future until one side wins, I fight on the side of the non-crank. This war has devastated Hypography causing people to believe in lunacy, the war continues. During this now 1 year war, I have become death destroyer of cranks.  This forum was once a very different place before the usurper cranks came, they fill this forum with posts about crank theories. They believe that Einstein is wrong, we believe he is right join the fight. We will someday defeat the relativity cranks and restore hypography to a state of peace, I know it. We are working on a Weapon of mass destruction, called "Einstein was right because of evidence supporting relativity", but it is unknown whether it will effect the cranks and end the war as intended, much more powerful then "E=MCis right because of nuclear fission" weapons against cranks.


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#3 marcospolo

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Posted 02 June 2019 - 01:23 AM

It has been overthrown by relativity cranks is what happened. The non-relativity cranks are having trouble holding back the horde of relativity cranks there is a constant war between crank and non-crank. *takes a wet stone to his sword, sharpening it* The combat will continue into the near future until one side wins, I fight on the side of the non-crank. This war has devastated Hypography causing people to believe in lunacy, the war continues. During this now 1 year war, I have become death destroyer of cranks.  This forum was once a very different place before the usurper cranks came, they fill this forum with posts about crank theories. They believe that Einstein is wrong, we believe he is right join the fight. We will someday defeat the relativity cranks and restore hypography to a state of peace, I know it. We are working on a Weapon of mass destruction, called "Einstein was right because of evidence supporting relativity", but it is unknown whether it will effect the cranks and end the war as intended, much more powerful then "E=MCis right because of nuclear fission" weapons against cranks.

Lets see you show where the rationalists are wrong then. Ive started a new topic called "collecting evidence negating all of einsteins hypothesies'

The easiest way to shut up a anti Relativity is to simple show where they are wrong.

So far its been a simple matter to explain why Einstein is wrong.



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Posted 02 June 2019 - 02:36 AM

EE...

 

It is my understanding that Einstein didn't "Debunk" Newton.

 

It is more correct to say that he demonstrated that Classical Newtonian Mechanics was a special case approximately true when velocities were a relatively small percent of "C." 

 

I'm no Physicist, so if I'm spouting Bullshit, let me know.

 

Any contemporary theory that attempts to do Einstein what Einstein did to Newton, must find a larger context where Einsteinian Relativity is only a special case.

 

How could this be done?

 

If I knew how to do that, I'd be writing my Nobel Acceptance Speech!

 

It is unlikely that there IS a larger context wherein Relativity is only a special case.

 

After all, Einstein didn't—in essence—say to Newton:

 

"Newton, you dullard! You got the whole damned thing WRONG!"

 

It seems rather improbable that anyone will ever be in a position to say the same thing to Einstein.

 

After all, Einstein had a brilliant fashion sense...

 

Ach ja!

 

Hang in there. A Forum that I used to enjoy became infested with Flat Earthers—which isn't why I quit going. That Forum simply stopped being fun.

 

 

…..Saxon Violence



#5 VictorMedvil

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Posted 02 June 2019 - 02:39 AM

EE...

 

It is my understanding that Einstein didn't "Debunk" Newton.

 

It is more correct to say that he demonstrated that Classical Newtonian Mechanics was a special case approximately true when velocities were a relatively small percent of "C." 

 

I'm no Physicist, so if I'm spouting Bullshit, let me know.

 

Any contemporary theory that attempts to do Einstein what Einstein did to Newton, must find a larger context where Einsteinian Relativity is only a special case.

 

How could this be done?

 

If I knew how to do that, I'd be writing my Nobel Acceptance Speech!

 

It is unlikely that there IS a larger context wherein Relativity is only a special case.

 

After all, Einstein didn't—in essence—say to Newton:

 

"Newton, you dullard! You got the whole damned thing WRONG!"

 

It seems rather improbable that anyone will ever be in a position to say the same thing to Einstein.

 

After all, Einstein had a brilliant fashion sense...

 

Ach ja!

 

Hang in there. A Forum that I used to enjoy became infested with Flat Earthers—which isn't why I quit going. That Forum simply stopped being fun.

 

 

…..Saxon Violence

 

That is something I am sure relativists and Non-relativists can agree on Flat Earther's are insane. There is no argument that could possibly ever convince me that the earth is flat having watched the earth from orbit from satellite.


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Posted 02 June 2019 - 03:13 AM

EE...

 

It is my understanding that Einstein didn't "Debunk" Newton.

 

It is more correct to say that he demonstrated that Classical Newtonian Mechanics was a special case approximately true when velocities were a relatively small percent of "C." 

 

I'm no Physicist, so if I'm spouting Bullshit, let me know.

 

Any contemporary theory that attempts to do Einstein what Einstein did to Newton, must find a larger context where Einsteinian Relativity is only a special case.

 

How could this be done?

 

If I knew how to do that, I'd be writing my Nobel Acceptance Speech!

 

It is unlikely that there IS a larger context wherein Relativity is only a special case.

 

After all, Einstein didn't—in essence—say to Newton:

 

"Newton, you dullard! You got the whole damned thing WRONG!"

 

It seems rather improbable that anyone will ever be in a position to say the same thing to Einstein.

 

After all, Einstein had a brilliant fashion sense...

 

Ach ja!

 

Hang in there. A Forum that I used to enjoy became infested with Flat Earthers—which isn't why I quit going. That Forum simply stopped being fun.

 

 

…..Saxon Violence

Yes this forum is overrun by cranks, with a fair sprinkling of the mentally ill, thanks I suspect to its very generous moderation policy.

 

A good number of the active posters now are refugees, banned (sometimes repeatedly) from just about every other science forum on the internet. Since almost nobody gets banned here, there comes a point at which the only option is not to respond. So what you will see is a lot of threads that are almost blogs, by various obsessives that have exhausted everybody else's patience. 

 

I do a bit to keep some of the physical science straight, but the relativity cranks here are too prolific to be worth taking on. Also, being a chemist, I am not a relativity expert, so it would be hard work for me anyway.

 

Many of these forums are dying now. I suspect the reason may be to do with the growth of social media as a rival channel. (Personally, I refuse to have any social media presence, due to their intrusive nature, which is why I am still on these forums.) 



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Posted 02 June 2019 - 04:53 AM

Yes this forum is overrun by cranks, with a fair sprinkling of the mentally ill, thanks I suspect to its very generous moderation policy.

 

A good number of the active posters now are refugees, banned (sometimes repeatedly) from just about every other science forum on the internet. Since almost nobody gets banned here, there comes a point at which the only option is not to respond. So what you will see is a lot of threads that are almost blogs, by various obsessives that have exhausted everybody else's patience. 

 

I do a bit to keep some of the physical science straight, but the relativity cranks here are too prolific to be worth taking on. Also, being a chemist, I am not a relativity expert, so it would be hard work for me anyway.

 

Many of these forums are dying now. I suspect the reason may be to do with the growth of social media as a rival channel. (Personally, I refuse to have any social media presence, due to their intrusive nature, which is why I am still on these forums.) 

Well, the cranks are waiting for the "enlightened ones" to use reason, and logic to show them why Special Relativity and General Relativity can possibly not be bullshit.

But to date, the enlightened ones have yet to respond with anything that can be considered a sound argument.

All we get is "anti-relativists are cranks".

This is not an argument, its an admission of defeat.



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Posted 02 June 2019 - 04:57 AM

EE...

 

It is my understanding that Einstein didn't "Debunk" Newton.

 

It is more correct to say that he demonstrated that Classical Newtonian Mechanics was a special case approximately true when velocities were a relatively small percent of "C." 

 

I'm no Physicist, so if I'm spouting Bullshit, let me know.

 

Any contemporary theory that attempts to do Einstein what Einstein did to Newton, must find a larger context where Einsteinian Relativity is only a special case.

 

How could this be done?

 

If I knew how to do that, I'd be writing my Nobel Acceptance Speech!

 

It is unlikely that there IS a larger context wherein Relativity is only a special case.

 

After all, Einstein didn't—in essence—say to Newton:

 

"Newton, you dullard! You got the whole damned thing WRONG!"

 

It seems rather improbable that anyone will ever be in a position to say the same thing to Einstein.

 

After all, Einstein had a brilliant fashion sense...

 

Ach ja!

 

Hang in there. A Forum that I used to enjoy became infested with Flat Earthers—which isn't why I quit going. That Forum simply stopped being fun.

 

 

…..Saxon Violence

You are mistaken, Einstein did nothing to Newton.  He certainly did not show that there was some lack of accuracy in Newtons laws. He only demonstrated that he (Einstein) DID NOT UNDERSTAND INERTIAL FRAMES of REFERENCE!

If you apply Newtonian laws correctly, then you DO NOT get any problem such as the claim that "Newton's laws don't work for things that are moving really fast."

That is a misconception. Einsteins work relies on misconceptions from the first postulate to the conclusion.


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Posted 02 June 2019 - 05:52 AM

 

 

Forums seem to have a critical mass for both members and number of posts, Also, once above the critical mass they seem to grow by a slow exponential rate...

 

Until something knocks them in the head and then they waste away remarkably rapidly.

 

 

Forums only work when posters are active, crank or otherwise.

 

Continual unmoderated hijacking of threads, has been a problem from time to time.



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Posted 02 June 2019 - 06:05 AM

 

 

A good number of the active posters now are refugees, banned (sometimes repeatedly) from just about every other science forum on the internet. Since almost nobody gets banned here, there comes a point at which the only option is not to respond. So what you will see is a lot of threads that are almost blogs, by various obsessives that have exhausted everybody else's patience. 

 

I do a bit to keep some of the physical science straight, but the relativity cranks here are too prolific to be worth taking on. Also, being a chemist, I am not a relativity expert, so it would be hard work for me anyway.

 

Many of these forums are dying now. I suspect the reason may be to do with the growth of social media as a rival channel. (Personally, I refuse to have any social media presence, due to their intrusive nature, which is why I am still on these forums.) 

 

I still post on other forums occasionally, some forums I have joined and left because the only thing people will speculate about is religious belief, which bores the crap out of me, speculation on any other subject is frowned on. This forum does appear to allow a lot of speculation which can be a good thing, and a way to ironing out misunderstandings. 

 

It is very clear you put a lot of effort in from time to time. The posts you make are appreciated, I suspect even by those whom you might label crank. 

 

I agree Social media sucks.



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Posted 02 June 2019 - 12:32 PM

Lets see you show where the rationalists are wrong then. Ive started a new topic called "collecting evidence negating all of einsteins hypothesies'

 

So sayeth most cranks. You cannot collect evidence when you cannot demonstrate a proper understanding of relativity. Just the statement alone ''negating all of Einstein's hypothesis' '' is a major indication you are a crank by the fullest definition. I followed one post by you and have not been in any other, because you are a wild objectionist without reason.



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Posted 02 June 2019 - 12:34 PM

You are mistaken, Einstein did nothing to Newton.  He certainly did not show that there was some lack of accuracy in Newtons laws.

 

Wrong again, you are in no position to say ''Einstein did nothing.'' Einstein did in fact do a lot to Newtonian physics, hence why his theory prevailed. But when you come out with idiot statements, you'll be treated as such.


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Posted 02 June 2019 - 12:40 PM

 

 

Continual unmoderated hijacking of threads, has been a problem from time to time.

 

While I have great respect for moderators here, its not so much the hijacking - because that can be fixed. I am more concerned about which moderator is being chosen responsible for removing posts from the physics section into area's like psychology - which happened once to me and recently another post moved into the hypothesis subforum, without explanation.

 

Perhaps it would be wise for moderators to condone their actions, that way, the forum will not be subjected to strange decisions without reason.



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Posted 02 June 2019 - 02:48 PM

In fact, I am going to go one step further, forget about what has happened to my posts.... the real question is how (clearly crankish posts) have not been removed from the physics subforum. If I was paranoid, I'd take these actions as something personal against me.


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Posted 02 June 2019 - 03:21 PM

In fact, I am going to go one step further, forget about what has happened to my posts.... the real question is how (clearly crankish posts) have not been removed from the physics subforum. If I was paranoid, I'd take these actions as something personal against me.

 

Someone is out to get you dubbel, better watch your back........ Oh God your enemies are all around you....... Must Exterminate them.....  0.o , In any case I put a 99% chance that it was GAHD as he is the only admin that has been on.


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Posted 02 June 2019 - 04:28 PM

Someone is out to get you dubbel, better watch your back........ Oh God your enemies are all around you....... Must Exterminate them.....  0.o , In any case I put a 99% chance that it was GAHD as he is the only admin that has been on.

 

I don't point fingers, I'd just like moderators to condone their actions. If a moderator is incapable of explaining their reason, it is probably because they cannot.



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Posted 02 June 2019 - 04:34 PM

Friends.

It has been awhile before I came around.

Truthfully, I discovered Chinese Light Novels and my addiction leaves me little time or enthusiasm for other things...

Anyway, in days gone by there were beaucoup members—each more brilliant than the last.

Rather than have to explain which Forum that I was referring to when I discussed something with my sister, that I'd read here, I'd simply call it "That Genius' Forum."

There used to be one fellow who disliked me with a burning passion—something to do with my handle and motto. Truthfully, I used to avoid coming around unless I had a burning question simply because I saw little need to antagonize him.

There was also a kind-hearted moderator who asked me not to feel unwelcome.

Fast forward, and the Forum had a new name and it was being reorganized to mainly be a learning resource for students.

Skip another couple or three years and now you have about five or six active posters. 

What happened?

I suppose that the fellow who disliked me is no longer active—or he would have excoriated me again by now. I don't know if the kind moderator is still aboard or not.

I don't remember either of their handles. When I went to look at some of the old posts just to get the names—all of the old archives seems to have disappeared.

Y'all seem a good crowd and—not to exaggerate my importance—it seems like you could use another reasonably frequent poster. I will try to come around fairly often.

Forums seem to have a critical mass for both members and number of posts, Also, once above the critical mass they seem to grow by a slow exponential rate...

Until something knocks them in the head and then they waste away remarkably rapidly.

…..Saxon Violence

 

Welcome back Saxon.  Speaking for myself, I generally avoid the threads where the uber-geeks want to argue over the minutiae of quantum physics unless I have some wisecrack to insert for my own amusement.  This site needs more posters with more varied interests and no new members should be discouraged by someone who wants to show their own intellectual superiority by belittling those less knowledgeable.


Edited by fahrquad, 02 June 2019 - 04:35 PM.