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#35 Dubbelosix

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Posted 04 May 2019 - 11:02 AM


 

Can you define the notion of god and scientific principles you are referring too. :innocent:  

 

I could define a notion of god in three ways:

 

1. God is a computer, therefore, likely not conscious, unless you are open to an AI interpretation.

 

2. God is a connection to everything that is and everything that will be, who has no consideration for what intelligent beings like us are doing (Spinozian, as founded through Einstein in his own remarks).

 

or...

 

3. God could be the definition of ''evil'' and ''good'' fighting itself through the great nature we see around us.

 

But to define god outside the philosophical practices, with science can be quite spurious, but there does exist in nature, over 120 fine tuning constants that if had been any different, the reality we see around us, would no longer exist. Scientists resorted very early on with untestable theories (ie. parallel universes) in order to explain how this apparent ''fluke'' of nature is not so much a fluke. Instead they should be looking at the values and just sticking with what they know, and that is, reality is not a fluke and as Susskind eloquently put, ''we are open to the idea of god being the answer, though unlikely.''

 

But this is in the eye of the beholder and how you translate the physics at hand.



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Posted 04 May 2019 - 11:03 AM

You may have hit the nail on the head, Maybe god is a woman and that's why we find it bloody difficult to understand her  :)

 

I say he or she, but these are just labels of nature itself, whether god actually has a sex is uncertain, possibly borderline anthropomorphic in nature.



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Posted 06 May 2019 - 08:39 AM

I could define a notion of god in three ways:

 

1. God is a computer, therefore, likely not conscious, unless you are open to an AI interpretation.

 

2. God is a connection to everything that is and everything that will be, who has no consideration for what intelligent beings like us are doing (Spinozian, as founded through Einstein in his own remarks).

 

or...

 

3. God could be the definition of ''evil'' and ''good'' fighting itself through the great nature we see around us.

 

But to define god outside the philosophical practices, with science can be quite spurious, but there does exist in nature, over 120 fine tuning constants that if had been any different, the reality we see around us, would no longer exist. Scientists resorted very early on with untestable theories (ie. parallel universes) in order to explain how this apparent ''fluke'' of nature is not so much a fluke. Instead they should be looking at the values and just sticking with what they know, and that is, reality is not a fluke and as Susskind eloquently put, ''we are open to the idea of god being the answer, though unlikely.''

 

 

1) Man created computers > therefore man is god

2) god is connected to everything that ever was > therefore everything is god

3) god is bipolar > 

 

By defining a god are you not creating a god in your mind, that likely doesn't exist. Why does anyone need a god, or even want one. If your option 2 is correct, then oh god, good god we are all god. :eek:    



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Posted 06 May 2019 - 08:58 AM

1) Man created computers > therefore man is god

2) god is connected to everything that ever was > therefore everything is god

3) god is bipolar > 

 

By defining a god are you not creating a god in your mind, that likely doesn't exist. Why does anyone need a god, or even want one. If your option 2 is correct, then oh god, good god we are all god. :eek:    

 

Well, in the train of Spinozian thought, god could simply be the great nature around us - nature cares not of an individual, perhaps maybe not even a species.

 

 

If one wants to define a god, it has to be within the parameters of science, otherwise it lands as just a religion. But then you have a small group of closed minded people who think science is a religion, but science is much more than that.

 

We could be god for all I know, we could be as Fred Wolf once said, ''we are gods, the great spill of consciousness.''



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Posted 07 May 2019 - 09:17 AM

It seems to me that we have had such groups formed right here in our own country.  We don't have to go halfway around the world to find someone  who has gathered together a small clan of  impressionable people - even children - and declared themselves God's appointed to lead their followers, only to all but enslave them and force them into acts we'd never believe thinking people would do. 

 

We read about such in the news every once in a while. 

 

76 Branch Davidians chose to die under the influence of David Koresh in 1993 in a stand-off with the ATF.

 

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https://en.wikipedia...wiki/Waco_siege

 

Jim Jones took 918 followers with him in Jonestown, South Africa in 1978.  The phrase "Don't drink the Kool-Aid" originated there as followers including children were given cyanide laced Kool-Aid in what was mostly a mass-suicide.  Some, including US Congressman Leo Ryan, were murdered.

 

interesting-historical-events-jonestown.

 

https://en.wikipedia.../wiki/Jonestown

 

The Oklahoma City Bombing, which killed 168 innocent bystanders, may have been motivated in part by anger over Waco and Ruby Ridge.

 

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https://en.wikipedia...ma_City_bombing

https://en.wikipedia...wiki/Ruby_Ridge

 

Ruby Ridge had no apparent religious connotations, but it was part of the motivation for the OKC bombing.



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Posted 07 May 2019 - 09:24 AM

1) Man created computers > therefore man is god

2) god is connected to everything that ever was > therefore everything is god

3) god is bipolar > 

 

By defining a god are you not creating a god in your mind, that likely doesn't exist. Why does anyone need a god, or even want one. If your option 2 is correct, then oh god, good god we are all god. :eek:    

 

Yeah man, we are all one with the universe.  Spritz a little patchouli around and smoke another doobie.  :esmoking:

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Posted 07 May 2019 - 09:59 AM

Perhaps an experiment to prove one way or another might be to indoctrinate some young impressionable people into an arbitrary religion and tell them to go and murder a group of people that don't believe in their religion. If they went ahead and killed, would that be proof one way or another, that religion can be used to control people. ie Holy Jihad, Holy War, Crusades etc. are  examples of religion controlling peoples lives, and people using their religion to destroy the lives of others.

 

Was any part of any of the old testament based religions written by women. Did any writer in any of the old testament based religions ever treat women as equals. Does Islam, the Catholic Church etc treat women as equals.   

 

There were quite a number of dead as a result of the Crusades.

 

"It is estimated that 1.7 million people died in total. And this is all at a time in which the world population was approximately 300 million — less than 5 percent its current total."

 

https://www.washingt...utm_term=.487b7

 

Contact between Europe and Asia resulting from the Crusades spread Yersinia Pestis, otherwise known as the Bubonic Plague, which killed 50 million or 60% of the population of Europe.

 

https://www.historyt...atastrophe-ever

https://www.historyc...ck-death.html#/



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Posted 07 May 2019 - 10:29 AM

Yeah man, we are all one with the universe. 

 

 

Absolutely. The man is not separate from a universe, we are subsystems with a special condition - a self reflecting organism which is more or less, a universe wishing to express itself in all forms of life. In way, we are the universe observing itself. This holistic nature, could be seen in  terms of entanglement.


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Posted 08 May 2019 - 03:55 AM

Absolutely. The man is not separate from a universe, we are subsystems with a special condition - a self reflecting organism which is more or less, a universe wishing to express itself in all forms of life. In way, we are the universe observing itself. This holistic nature, could be seen in  terms of entanglement.

 

You will be reviving an old religion if you aren't careful. I read chief xxxxxx? said something like this when I was in the states. (Maybe it was chief Seatle,  )



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Posted 09 May 2019 - 02:33 AM

Absolutely. The man is not separate from a universe, we are subsystems with a special condition - a self reflecting organism which is more or less, a universe wishing to express itself in all forms of life. In way, we are the universe observing itself. This holistic nature, could be seen in  terms of entanglement.

 

This is akin to the Great Spirit in north American indian religions. Or Panentheism which is common in many other cultures https://en.wikipedia...iki/Panentheism .

 

Unrelated to topic, but came up in my search an extract of Chief Seattles speech https://en.wikisourc...eattle's_Speech