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#18 fahrquad

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Posted 25 February 2019 - 01:51 PM

How do you define a dictator?

 

After Chávez's death was announced on 5 March 2013, Maduro assumed the powers and responsibilities of the President. A special election was held on 14 April 2013 to elect a new President, and Maduro won with 50.62% of the votes as the candidate of the United Socialist Party of Venezuela. He was formally inaugurated on 19 April.[7]He has ruled Venezuela by decree since 19 November 2013 through powers granted to him by the Venezuela legislature.[8][9][10][11] His presidency has coincided with a decline in Venezuela's socioeconomic status, with crime, inflation, poverty and hunger increasing; analysts have attributed Venezuela's decline to both Chávez and Maduro's economic policies,[12][13][14][15] while Maduro has blamed speculation and economic warfare waged by his political opponents.[16][17][18][19][20][21]Shortages in Venezuela and decreased living standards resulted in protests beginning in 2014 that escalated into daily marches nationwide, resulting in 43 deaths and a decrease in Maduro's popularity.[22][23][24][25] Maduro's loss of popularity saw the election of an opposition-led National Assembly in 2015 and a movement toward recalling Maduro in 2016, though Maduro still maintains power through loyal political bodies, such as the Supreme Tribunal, National Electoral Council and the military.[22][23][26]

 

https://en.wikipedia.../Nicolás_Maduro

https://en.wikipedia...ty_of_Venezuela

 

Presidential elections were held in Venezuela on 20 May 2018,[3] with incumbent Nicolás Maduro being re-elected for a second six-year term.[4] Considered a snap election, the original electoral date was scheduled for December 2018 but was subsequently pulled ahead to 22 April before being pushed back to 20 May.[5][6][7] Some analysts described the poll as a show election,[8][9] with the elections having the lowest voter turnout in the country's democratic era.[4][10]

 

https://en.wikipedia...ential_election



#19 fahrquad

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Posted 25 February 2019 - 02:02 PM

I don't recall anyone mentioning Cuba, but the US ranks 35th and Venezuela ranks 54th in the WHO ranking of overall health care efficiency.  France is 1st and Sierra Leone is 191st.  BTW, Cuba ranks 39th.

 

https://www.who.int/...nfo/paper30.pdf



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Posted 26 February 2019 - 01:21 PM



I don't recall anyone mentioning Cuba, but the US ranks 35th and Venezuela ranks 54th in the WHO ranking of overall health care efficiency.  France is 1st and Sierra Leone is 191st.  BTW, Cuba ranks 39th.

 

https://www.who.int/...nfo/paper30.pdf

Thanks for the link. But it depends on which link we believe the most. Most are consistent on the world's highest rated countries and all are consistent on the US being the worst of the modern first world countries.

 

https://nordic.busin...systems-2017-1/

 

The WHO ranked Cuba and the US as 38th. and 39th. But it's possible that the US has come up a few steps since Obamacare started to make some changes.

 

So even though the US system is still a dismal mess, it's what the American people want and that's the good thing about freedom! In Canada and other socially responsible capitalist countries, only the best is being force upon the people. Fukken commies! 

 

Ask GAHD for more details, he knows the whole story! 



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Posted 26 February 2019 - 01:26 PM

Looks like Trump is rattling his weapons now by sending a bunch of US military to Puerto Rico. Is it just a bluff?

 

No doubt the UNSC is going to busy for a while as the US justifies saving Venezuela's people with bombs from 30,000'! 



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Posted 26 February 2019 - 03:39 PM

Who told you that Maduro is a dictator?  People in Venezuela don't have to worry about that sort of emergency that would bankrupt their family. Who again is the dictator?

 

The better question is:  Who told you that Maduro isn't a dictator and that the Venezuelans are thriving and have no lack of available health care?

 

Let me guess...RT, maybe?

 

They say that they can't even get toilet paper for elementary hygiene.  No worries, though.  With a million percent inflation rate, they can just use their currency to wipe their ***.  There's plenty of that worthless paper floating around down there.  God only knows how many printing presses Maduro has worn out creating it all.  He probably prints it on toilet paper, which would explain the shortage.

 

And here I thought you denied being a commie

 


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Posted 28 February 2019 - 07:59 PM


They say that they can't even get toilet paper for elementary hygiene.  No worries, though.  With a million percent inflation rate, they can just use their currency to wipe their ***.  There's plenty of that worthless paper floating around down there.  God only knows how many printing presses Maduro has worn out creating it all.  He probably prints it on toilet paper, which would explain the shortage.

 

It looks like the exchange is 250,000 Bolivar to the Dollar, so buy Bolivar for very,very cheap toilet paper.  :scared:

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Posted 01 March 2019 - 12:37 AM

It looks like the exchange is 250,000 Bolivar to the Dollar, so buy Bolivar for very,very cheap toilet paper.  :scared:

 

 

Unfortunately, the video I linked said they are now dropping the last 5 zeros off of their printed money, so you can't get 250,000, you can only get 2 or 3 for a dollar.

 

Rounding to the nearest 100,000 now, see?  Think about that--anything under 100,000 is not worth considering.   They need to reduce 3 hours of counting money to pay  for a piece of bubble gum.  That's a thriving commie economy, sho nuff!



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Posted 02 March 2019 - 09:05 PM

A 12 roll pack of Scott toilet paper has 1000 sheets per roll or 12,000 sheets and cost me $11.99 earlier today, which comes to $0.001 per sheet.    Each sheet folded in half is roughly equal to a Bolivar in size and volume, so the package equals about 6000 Bolivar.  It follows then that 6000 Bolivar are worth $12, right???  :huh:



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Posted 04 March 2019 - 05:02 AM

Talk about people being prisoners of the system they themselves elected. Kind of mind-boggling.



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Posted 04 March 2019 - 05:45 AM

Talk about people being prisoners of the system they themselves elected. Kind of mind-boggling.

 

 

"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard."  (H. Mencken)

 



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Posted 04 March 2019 - 10:56 PM

"We get the government we deserve" has never been a  more appropriate quote.  Darned if I can remember where it came from.  If only there were some sort of convenient way to find out...oh, wait a minute...

 

"Letter 76, on the topic of Russia's new constitutional laws (27 August 1811); published in Lettres et Opuscules. The English translation has several variations, including "Every country has the government it deserves" and "In a democracy people get the leaders they deserve." The quote is popularly misattributed to better-known commentators such as Alexis de Tocqueville and Abraham Lincoln."

 

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Posted 05 March 2019 - 12:06 AM

On a barely relevant matter, my electric bill came to a whopping $36 for 2 people for the February billing period.  Yes, the heat, the water heater, and the clothes dryer are natural gas, but the lights (CFL), the TV (LED), and the laptop computer in the den are running pretty much 24/7 and they are obviously electric.  The same applies to the refrigerator and microwave.  If I ever get around to extending the gas line to the kitchen I can install the new gas stove that is collecting dust.  Nearly all of the electricity in this area is provided by a combination of hydro-electric and nuclear.  My car hasn't been started in 2 years and the wife's Toyota Corolla gets about 28 mpg combined so the political turmoil in Venezuela has had no real impact on us.



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Posted 05 March 2019 - 12:17 AM

If you are concerned with the situation in Venezuela, boycott Citgo petroleum products.  Remember that the convenience stores are independently owned and operated so don't penalize them and keep buying your cigarettes, beer, lottery tickets, and newspapers there.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citgo



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Posted 17 March 2019 - 11:23 AM

Hey Ivan, you don't know what you are talking about. Maybe you should try some source other than RT for your information?

 

Why Venezuela Is Starving

 

"At the end of July 2018, the National Assembly estimated that each week six Venezuelan children die of starvation. Some of the most important universities in Venezuela made a survey in 2017 (ENCOVI2017) and in that time 87% of Venezuelan households were poor; 9 of 10 Venezuelans could not pay for food; 8.2 million Venezuelans could barely afford 2 or less meals each day — meals with low nutrition and little protein; 6 out of 10 Venezuelans have lost at least 11Kg (24 pounds) of their body weight because of the lack of food. This is set to worsen as the crisis continues"

 

 

And, if the US military, backed by regional allies, decides to take out the dictator Maduro, the wisest decision both Russia and China can make is Get The Fcuk out of the way!

 

You are looking more and more like a Russian troll, Ivan Montgomery. How's things in Moscow these days? Metropole Hotel still have the harpist playing at breakfast?

Maduro is not a dictator. Let's lay that silly notion to rest.

 

It's a great question to ask on whether or not Russia and China will stand out of the way of a US military invasion! Personally, I'm as yet undecided on the answer to that question. 

 

There's no doubt that Russia will find it more difficult than their success in bring peace to Syria, mainly because of Venezuela's location thousands of miles from Russia. But there's also the consideration that Russia has so much to loose by allowing the US to freely interfere in Venezuela. And then there is also China's interests that they seem ready to defend.

 

On the other side of the coin there is undoubtedly the US need for Venezuela's oil resources. The US can't afford to suffer the loss because if it does lose Venezuela then it has lost the last real fight for world hegemony.

 

It all threatens the world with world war which would undoubtedly turn nuclear. 

 

So will Russia and Chinia step aside? Wishful thinking on my part says no. But also, the world is not blind to the truth, the world is only hampered with what the US makes out to be political correctness. No sane person can possiby side with the US in this instance of Venezuela. Simply because it's crystal clear that all of Venezuela's problems are of US making. 

 

Trump could be said to be the best thing that could have happened to the world. He's lost nearly all sympathies of the EU and he's provided the basis for an economic fight with the world's other great powers. And for those reasons, I believe that the US will have to back off on Venezuela and lose it forever.

 

edit: I'm taking it as a given that the US has lost Iran to Russia's and China's interests. US war has become prohibitive on account of EU sentiments, as well as Russia/China power.


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Posted 17 March 2019 - 11:29 AM

Unfortunately, the video I linked said they are now dropping the last 5 zeros off of their printed money, so you can't get 250,000, you can only get 2 or 3 for a dollar.

 

Rounding to the nearest 100,000 now, see?  Think about that--anything under 100,000 is not worth considering.   They need to reduce 3 hours of counting money to pay  for a piece of bubble gum.  That's a thriving commie economy, sho nuff!

Much more important to world politics and economics is the fact that Venezuela is now ignoring the US dollar. That is intolerable to the US and is one more reason why the US is working so hard to discredit Venezuela's elected government.



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Posted 17 March 2019 - 11:34 AM

The better question is:  Who told you that Maduro isn't a dictator and that the Venezuelans are thriving and have no lack of available health care?

 

Let me guess...RT, maybe?

 

They say that they can't even get toilet paper for elementary hygiene.  No worries, though.  With a million percent inflation rate, they can just use their currency to wipe their ***.  There's plenty of that worthless paper floating around down there.  God only knows how many printing presses Maduro has worn out creating it all.  He probably prints it on toilet paper, which would explain the shortage.

 

And here I thought you denied being a commie

 

China and Russia and a few other countries are making up for the shortfalls the US has created in Venezuela. The truth is starting to leak out now on why Venezuela is suffering to some degree. A much 'lesser' degree than the US is trying to portray.

 

Yes, I go to RT.com for a lot of information and that's because it's a site where I can find the latest news that's truthful. I also use US sites but between Fox News and MSNBC, there's always contradictory news and views that make it largely worthless. Can you recommend a truthful US site?