Tim_Lou Posted February 25, 2004 Report Share Posted February 25, 2004 this is gonna be the discussion of soul!!!!(spirit might not be right, i apologize...) soul, think about yourself, how wonderful it is to be a human sitting there and think about all these stuffs in front of a human invented computer! do souls exist? or are we just controlled by genetic materials and organic compounds? if souls exist, does it apply to other organisms? what about plants? what about sigle cell organisms?if it doesn't exist, why is everyone different and having their unique own random thoughts? and why cant humans made an organism from non-living matter? is it because it needs a soul? if organisms come from dead matter, what motivates them to co-work w/ each other? simply b/c of the speciality of carbon? y not silicon?.....is there some reason else thats related to soul? i personally believe that soul exists, whats your opinion of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TINNY Posted March 2, 2004 Report Share Posted March 2, 2004 why dont you read this: Unified Theory of Existence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geko Posted April 26, 2004 Report Share Posted April 26, 2004 Or you could try reading "ASTRAL TRAVEL - Your guide to the secrets of Out-of-the-Body experiences" Gavin and Yvonne Frost. Samuel Weiser. ISBN 0-87728-336-2 Thought id dig it up for you tim as you're persistent with the spirit thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rileyj Posted April 26, 2004 Report Share Posted April 26, 2004 i wounder how long it will take for freethinker to jump on this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freethinker Posted April 27, 2004 Report Share Posted April 27, 2004 I waited till you made a fool of yourself first rileyj! But I am greatful that you so highly regard me that your only thought on the subject is ME! Anyway. "Spirit" means breath or to breath. Guess all animals have spirits? And for now I am still spiritual, I am still breathing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rileyj Posted April 27, 2004 Report Share Posted April 27, 2004 funny how a 19 year old kid can piss off a great thinker like you hahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishEyes Posted April 27, 2004 Report Share Posted April 27, 2004 funny how a 19 year old kid can piss off a great thinker like you hahaha What's really funny is how a 19 year old kid can display such immaturity and still beg to be taken seriously by someone with an obviously developed intellect! No, I don't agree with Freethinker about everything. And yes, he rips my thoughts and beliefs apart on a regular basis. But grow up, rileyj! Freethinker brings up good points. Just because you may not agree with his style (I know I don't always) that's no reason to think you can truly piss him off! I doubt anyone at this site could truly get under his skin. Well, maybe Tormod could, but that'd just be for letting idiots like us keep posting. ;>) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freethinker Posted April 28, 2004 Report Share Posted April 28, 2004 Irisheyes, you have me figured out too well. I will have to change my nic and try a different approach! :-) You've got spirit girl! (Trying to keep this on topic) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim_Lou Posted April 28, 2004 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2004 well, this is a forgotten topic now its being brought up again.... this is gonna be the discussion of soul!!!!(spirit might not be right, i apologize...) soul, think about yourself, how wonderful it is to be a human sitting there and think about all these stuffs in front of a human invented computer! do souls exist? or are we just controlled by genetic materials and organic compounds? if souls exist, does it apply to other organisms? what about plants? what about sigle cell organisms?if it doesn't exist, why is everyone different and having their unique own random thoughts? and why cant humans made an organism from non-living matter? is it because it needs a soul? (well, i'll put these in the topic) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geko Posted April 28, 2004 Report Share Posted April 28, 2004 Tim, at humans level of 'enlightenment' (or whatever you want to call it), this is a mystic discussion. To find 'answers' you must look at mysticism. I provided a book that you might like (it's from the philosophy of wicca, but wicca is inherently christian - so i thought it would go down well with you). And as for: Originally posted by: Tim_Lou if it doesn't exist, why is everyone different and having their unique own random thoughts? ... is it because it needs a soul? I suggest another book: 'The Blank Slate' by Steven Pinker. Penguin. ISBN 0-713-99256-5. Maybe someone can recommend another book for you as well on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishEyes Posted April 28, 2004 Report Share Posted April 28, 2004 Maybe someone can recommend another book for you as well on this. Ok, this book may be a little off, but I loved it for a while. "I Come as a Brother" A Remembrance of Illusions, by BartholomewISBN 0-9614010-1-X It's filled with ideas that echo some of the thoughts you have expressed in this and other threads. You'd probably get a kick out of it! i really think it would be right up your alley, Tim. Also, for fiction, nothing beats Bach!! And of course, there are some that will argue that Bach is not fiction. Oh well. But noone can write seagulls like that man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freethinker Posted April 28, 2004 Report Share Posted April 28, 2004 Originally posted by: gekoTim, at humans level of 'enlightenment' (or whatever you want to call it), this is a mystic discussion. To find 'answers' you must look at mysticism. The questions Tim asks are all based on physical issues. if souls exist, does it apply to other organisms? what about plants? what about sigle cell organisms?if it doesn't exist, why is everyone different and having their unique own random thoughts? and why cant humans made an organism from non-living matter? ALL physical. Of what value would hocus pocus mysticism be? I provided a book that you might like (it's from the philosophy of wicca, but wicca is inherently christian Ya as in "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freethinker Posted April 28, 2004 Report Share Posted April 28, 2004 Originally posted by: Tim_Louif souls exist, does it apply to other organisms? what about plants? what about sigle cell organisms? if it doesn't exist, why is everyone different and having their unique own random thoughts? and why cant humans made an organism from non-living matter? is it because it needs a soul? Many good questions Tim. They show how illogical the concept of the soul is. Filled with arbitrary assertions that contradict themselves. But one point, humans CAN and DO make organisms from non-living matter (depending on your def of living/ non-living). We consume food, minerals, .... and we convert them into various organisms. We all do it all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geko Posted April 28, 2004 Report Share Posted April 28, 2004 Originally posted by: Freethinker The questions Tim asks are all based on physical issues. if souls exist, does it apply to other organisms? what about plants? what about sigle cell organisms? if it doesn't exist, why is everyone different and having their unique own random thoughts? and why cant humans made an organism from non-living matter? ALL physical. Of what value would hocus pocus mysticism be? Tim's talking about the soul/spirit. All of the information about any of this stuff will be found under mysticism. If they listened to logic and were rational in their ideas, they wouldnt have any of these beliefs in the first place. Arguing from the stand-point of logic wont work, the imagination will always out-strip rationality in its possibilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geko Posted April 28, 2004 Report Share Posted April 28, 2004 Originally posted by: Freethinker The questions Tim asks are all based on physical issues. if souls exist, does it apply to other organisms? what about plants? what about sigle cell organisms? if it doesn't exist, why is everyone different and having their unique own random thoughts? and why cant humans made an organism from non-living matter? ALL physical. Of what value would hocus pocus mysticism be? Tim's talking about the soul/spirit. All of the information about any of this stuff will be found under mysticism. If they listened to logic and were rational in their ideas, they wouldnt have any of these beliefs in the first place. Arguing from the stand-point of logic wont work, the imagination will always out-strip rationality in its possibilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geko Posted April 28, 2004 Report Share Posted April 28, 2004 I hit return as well as reply ^^ double posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAHD Posted April 29, 2004 Report Share Posted April 29, 2004 Free thinker is right about humans making life ffrom dead/inert matter, but he doesn't realize how far we are ready to go...http://www.abc.net.au/pm/s72513.htmhttp://www.astrobio.net/cgi-bin/h2p.cgi?sid=674&ext=.pdfhttp://crnano.typepad.com/crnblog/2004/04/artificial_life.htmljust the tip. Scientists HAVE recently created 'life' from scratch, though said life lasted less than a second before self-destructing. The true breakthrough will come with the creation of STABLE artificial life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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