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#1 Dubbelosix

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Posted 03 April 2018 - 08:06 PM

And so, we are told around 4 billion years ago life formed, from a primordial sludge of carbon, hydrogen, oxygen and methane... a concentrated complex polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbon. which could very well have an origin outside our solar system, since deposits found from early collisions appeared to have delivered these basic building blocks in Antarctica.

 

It started off simple... a misnomer no doubt for a more complex configuration of atoms the earth has seen... a mobile, living prokaryote. As time went on, the prokaryote learned the biological mechanism of multicellular life.. but in these interactions and following complex life to come, from primordial sea dwelling leviathans to land dwelling dragons, they all were subject to five mass extinctions which have been documented with great success with some surprise.

 

Without anthropomorphising this, what is the nature of life? What is its goal? Why does life, that first multicellular organism persist to exist and why did it give rise to complex systems capable of generating different levels of intelligence and awareness? There's a lot of mystery to life and what drives it according to a sense of believing it serves some purpose.

 

 

What are your opinions... in light of the role of life, the meaning behind it? I'll give my own thoughts later.


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Posted 03 April 2018 - 09:28 PM

There's a difference between life (the scientific designation) and consciousness (the true designation). I don't consider an ant as a living thing, I consider it a robot.

 

Not all creatures can experience themselves, the ability to discern oneself is rare - it requires two brains, with cross-wired control throughout the entire nervous system. The purpose of consciousness is obviously the expenditure of hedonic capital, this release of nor-epinephrine, endorphins, serotonin, or dopamine. Hedonic capital is earned via cortisol, stress, the stress of survival or in the modern world the stress of getting along with society that owns your *** so you don't have to be forced survive alone in a harsh environment. The former is predominantly the right brain, the latter is predominantly the left brain. 

 

That's actually the simple goal of life, to survive first, release tension second. But then when you consider the fact that other individuals are required to sustain the emotional needs of a conscious organism, things become infinitely more complicated.

 

The short answer? The meaning of life is balance. 



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Posted 05 April 2018 - 05:18 PM

Well, I think the thing we call consciousness, is in fact a property of the universe itself, and I drew on this, strangely enough from well-thought out logic processes in the way we think about life.

 

Sagan ''We are star stuff!''

 

So true, and such a profound statement that the general public would pick up on, but to a scientist it's an obvious fact. To a scientist, there is an even more obvious fact

 

[some scientist did once say] ''We are the universe observing itself.''

 

So to Sagans enigmatic statement, we can add, ''We are not only star stuff, we are universe stuff!''

 

We are literally made from the same components more or less to everything else in the universe. It's similar to how when math comes to describe superpositioned systems, the apparatus, not only that which is measured, has to have equally a quantum description (see Susskind in his famous lectures). We too then, as our own type of measuring apparatus, are subject to those same laws, this is another way of saying, we are not outside the laws of quantum mechanics, which must actually be true since there are analogous existing laws, not only in quantum mechanics, but also in covariance within relativity.

 

This tells us something about the role of consciousness... whatever it is, it is subject also to the laws of quantum mechanics. In a way, the ability to have ''choices'' can analogously be seen as something equivalent to a superposition in quantum mechanics. Likewise, the ability to choose something, represents a collapse in all other probabilities. As strange as quantum mechanics appears to be, our consciousness appears to be finely tuned to appreciate its mechanisms, no matter how counter-intuitive it may appear. (Which is likely a result of a long line of evolutionary processes).

 

But the biggest conclusion of thinking consciousness is a part of ''everything'' else, comes with it the notion, that consciousness is just as fundamental as matter and energy, space and time, in the sense that the presence of awareness, requires a brain, and with a brain a notion of dynamics happening with matter and energy in space and time. Consciousness then, is the manifest property of the universe wishing to express itself in all living things. An immediate consequence of this noticed by my physicist friend Allan, was that consciousness would also be fundamentally non-local. I agreed.


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Posted 05 April 2018 - 05:30 PM

by the way, you said not all creatures are aware of themselves, but that is only a measurement of awareness, not consciousness. Consciousness is primary, all you have is varying awareness of consciousness.



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Posted 05 April 2018 - 05:32 PM

''It requires two brains, with cross-wired control throughout the entire nervous system.''

 

Which is actually due to one brain, having two hemisphere's. Do you remember what I said about using buzzwords you didn't understand?


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Posted 05 April 2018 - 05:33 PM

''The purpose of consciousness is obviously the expenditure of hedonic capital, this release of nor-epinephrine, endorphins, serotonin, or dopamine. Hedonic capital is earned via cortisol, stress, the stress of survival or in the modern world the stress of getting along to making word salad''

 

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Posted 05 April 2018 - 08:21 PM

''The purpose of consciousness is obviously the expenditure of hedonic capital, this release of nor-epinephrine, endorphins, serotonin, or dopamine. Hedonic capital is earned via cortisol, stress, the stress of survival or in the modern world the stress of getting along to making word salad''
 
Bolded added by me.

Why is it always word salad. Why not word fruit, word veggies, word big Mac? Some many food items to choose from.

This is an idealogical topic. Let me express my ideologies you Scottish Salad

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Posted 05 April 2018 - 08:32 PM

''It requires two brains, with cross-wired control throughout the entire nervous system.''

Which is actually due to one brain, having two hemisphere's. Do you remember what I said about using buzzwords you didn't understand?

Actually in humans one single hemisphere is so advanced that a human can function without the other, compared to a cat one human hemisphere is worth two hemispheres. This is because, in humans, the hemispheres have more regions than even mammals with the largest brains, elephants, so much so that heach hemisphere can reflect the other & develop counter personalities. One side is literally programmed to mediate the other in social interactions so that an individual can maximize his or her utility for not only the survival, but for the betterment of his or her kind. The other hemisphere regulates self-needs, our more carnal, which is actually superior in a life or death situation, a psychopath has no problem doing what needs to be done because they lack the self control or empathy offered by the left hemisphere. The right hemisphere is actually more in control of one's own automated bodily functions, more connected to and in control of the body. For instance, people with DID can give themselves real physical rashes because that personality is supposed to have a disease.

It's important to maintain balance between two, for intents & purposes, minds that we all have. & they can steal each other's identities, two people can be living in your brain.

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Posted 06 April 2018 - 12:30 PM

To recreate


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Posted 11 April 2018 - 06:08 AM

To recreate

Maybe... this is the ''biological theory'' of the meaning of life - it explains a mechanism, but it doesn't explain the meaning of life... the underlying reason for evolution is a theory of ''natural selection.'' Largely we have been led to believe this occurs on the microscopic level over much time, due to changes climate, food habits and other relevant information that may shape a species. The meaning of life though, goes even more complex, when you consider humans, seem to have incredible intellect - why this has happened is still an on-going study. Therefore, we may be the only species (at least on this planet) that has considered the philosophical question, ''what is the meaning of life.''

 

There are some other crucial questions in science that could try and answer this problem ''in a fundamental sense.'' But its riddled with things physicists do not like talking about... the fine tuning constants. Susskind takes it seriously, but has to reluctantly ask whether a god is involved. I think Susskind should have really called it a ''superintelligence'' because the term god or God should be reserved for religious dieties which have no foundation in science.

 

There now exists over a hundred (since the last time I reported over 60) fine tuning constants recorded. These tuning constants are so bizarre it is starting to make scientists wonder about the ''selective properties'' of a universe like ours to arise - some not even postulated on the stilts of life, but others concentrating on the conditions alone for a universe like ours to arise. People have attempted to calculate the probability a universe like ours would arise, with tremendous overwhelming statistics against this universe being a chance event.

 

This is what really led to the multiverse theory. But it has recently had some backlash, since it is not a testable theory, so not is a true popper falsifiable ''theory'' by definition. Whatever the issues in science, the universe is strange indeed and maybe the meaning of life is much more than those, as the video said ''spiralling coils of DNA.'' --- wishing to propagate.


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Posted 11 April 2018 - 06:10 AM



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Posted 11 April 2018 - 06:15 AM

I say small steps, but evolution may follow the rules of punctuated equilibria.



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Posted 18 April 2018 - 03:32 PM

Too fill the empty space with creation and connect all worlds.


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Posted 22 April 2018 - 04:14 PM

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