# Orthagonal Rotation Of Electromagnetic Fields

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### #1 Fluxation

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Posted 15 January 2018 - 03:59 AM

It is said that orthagonal rotation of an electric field creates electro-magnetism. This could be described as a transformation from 2D to 3D space. My question relates to what happens when electro-magnetic fields are similarly rotated as per the following thought experiment.

Two identical AC signals are fed into opposite ends of bifilar toroidal windings so their EM fields cancel to "zero". It is my understanding that this operation causes their force field vectors to rotate 90 degrees out of 3D space (rather than extinguish), perhaps taking the form of stress waves or scalar potentials within the vacuum.

I understand this intepretation is not in agreement with standard quantum electrodynamics or Minkowski space. However, on the premise it is valid, can anyone explain how this form of interdimensional translation might occur in terms of some alternative theory? Would it involve virtual photons or particle pairs as mediators?

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Posted 15 January 2018 - 05:09 AM

If the Electromagnetic Force is destructive interference if negative and positive are at the same points or North and South at the same points.

Q1cos(ΦQωQ1t) + Q2cos(ΦQωQ2t 0

and

B1cos(ΦB1) + B2cos(ΦB2 0

then

EmfQ1 - EmfQ2 = EmfQtotal

and

EmfB1 - EmfB2 = EmfBtotal

If the Electromagnetic Force is constructive interference meaning positive at the same points as the other coil is positive/negative at the same points the other coil is negative and North at the same points as North/South at the same points as south. basically if

Q1cos(ΦQωQ1t Q2cos(ΦQωQ2t)

and

B1cos(ΦB1 B2cos(ΦB2)

then

EmfQ1 + EmfQ2 = EmfQtotal

and

EmfB1 + EmfB2 = EmfBtotal

Which Emf or "ɛis in units of volts or "V"

So, they do indeed either add or cancel upon our three dimensions of space + one of time in Charge's Dimension based on their dimensional orientation in charge and space over time, which depends mainly on their Phase Angle and Angular Frequency.

Edited by Vmedvil, 16 January 2018 - 02:15 AM.

### #3 exchemist

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Posted 15 January 2018 - 08:43 AM

If the Electromagnetic Force is destructive interference if negative and positive are at the same points or North and South at the same points.

Q1cos(ΦQωQ1t Q2sin(ΦQωQ2t)

and

B1cos(ΦB1 B2sin(ΦB2)

then

EmfQ1 - EmfQ2 = EmfQtotal

and

EmfB1 - EmfB2 = EmfBtotal

If the Electromagnetic Force is constructive interference meaning positive at the same points as the other coil is positive/negative at the same points the other coil is negative and North at the same points as North/South at the same points as south. basically if

Q1cos(ΦQωQ1t Q2cos(ΦQωQ2t)

and

B1cos(ΦB1 B2cos(ΦB2)

then

EmfQ1 + EmfQ2 = EmfQtotal

and

EmfB1 + EmfB2 = EmfBtotal

Which Emf or "ɛis in units of volts or "V"

So, they do indeed either add or cancel upon our three dimensions of space + one of time in Charge's Dimension based on their dimensional orientation in charge and space over time, which depends mainly on their Phase Angle and Angular Frequency.

### #4 Vmedvil

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Posted 15 January 2018 - 10:51 PM

No, just saw this one and wanted to clear up a loose end.

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Posted 17 January 2018 - 04:06 AM

In the case of destructive interference, how is energy conserved without the force vectors undergoing a higher order dimensional translation?

For example, when opposing electrical currents are fed into the windings of a bifilar coil, the coil loses its inductance and effectively becomes a copper resistor. Additionally, there is no emitted EMF from the coil. Yet the canceled current does not appear as heat or another form of measurable energy.

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Posted 17 January 2018 - 12:09 PM

In the case of destructive interference, how is energy conserved without the force vectors undergoing a higher order dimensional translation?

For example, when opposing electrical currents are fed into the windings of a bifilar coil, the coil loses its inductance and effectively becomes a copper resistor. Additionally, there is no emitted EMF from the coil. Yet the canceled current does not appear as heat or another form of measurable energy.

In the case of impedance, it works just as resistance just for AC current it does appear as heat all the resistance energy used, or in the case, of a opposite charge putting a force against the moving electrons, it is no different then the reason, why isn't there heat caused when a ball is slowed or increased by a gravitational field. The electrons just hit a negative potential energy well or positive potential energy field depending on the direction it is moving or is charged, no different than other effects commonly found all around us, the force just opposes and slows the movement, no need for heat, the fact that it is entering that negative potential energy well is enough to say energy is conserved, it is like saying where does all the energy go when you jump against the earth's gravity then fall back down.

Edited by Vmedvil, 17 January 2018 - 12:15 PM.

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Posted 17 January 2018 - 06:47 PM

Potential energies are relative. In the example you gave of gravity, the ball is interacting with a vastly larger field. Before falling, the ball already exists at a positive energy potential.

In the case of a toroidal transformer described in my OP, the cancelled fields do not extend beyond the toroid itself. Where within that confined 3D space would be the positive and negative wells you refer to?

Jumping differs in that there is no operation involving similar discrete entities that could result in mutual cancellation. You don't disappear when you jump into the air, but you might if you encountered another person coming in the opposite direction.

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Posted 23 January 2018 - 08:01 PM

Potential energies are relative. In the example you gave of gravity, the ball is interacting with a vastly larger field. Before falling, the ball already exists at a positive energy potential.

In the case of a toroidal transformer described in my OP, the cancelled fields do not extend beyond the toroid itself. Where within that confined 3D space would be the positive and negative wells you refer to?

Jumping differs in that there is no operation involving similar discrete entities that could result in mutual cancellation. You don't disappear when you jump into the air, but you might if you encountered another person coming in the opposite direction.

Well, look at the electrons in AC current.

Do you see how they are vibrating between negative current  in opposite directions in 3-D space, what if you had two of those wires next to each-other like in the coil example. Wouldn't the movement of the vector in the direction length to the left and right cancel? Being out of phase of each-other. moving -><- , with equal magnitude, while the particles aren't touching, the fields of the charged particles are touching in 3-D space against each other.

which causes a wave-function collapse upon the field yielding a zero magnitude  in the volume where they cancel as equal and opposite, where the fields are equal and opposite, which Newtonian Laws of motion still apply here.

In this case the two equal and opposite wave-functions cancel like a Delayed Choice Quantum Eraser or build upon each-other if in phase or in the same direction in electromagnetism.

"Destructive" Out of phase

or in the opposite version  of the Delayed Choice Quantum Eraser which enhances the wave-function's magnitude, "Constructive" In same Phase.

But, you are right they are all indeed relative not every location will be zero only very specific points, the "Neutral Points" or more properly "Neutral volumes of space".

Edited by Vmedvil, 25 January 2018 - 12:25 AM.

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Posted 24 January 2018 - 03:30 AM

In the case of destructive interference, how is energy conserved without the force vectors undergoing a higher order dimensional translation?

For example, when opposing electrical currents are fed into the windings of a bifilar coil, the coil loses its inductance and effectively becomes a copper resistor. Additionally, there is no emitted EMF from the coil. Yet the canceled current does not appear as heat or another form of measurable energy.

Are you sure a current flows at all in such a case?

After all, you cannot "feed a current" into anything. All you can do is apply a voltage and hope that current flow results.

If there is no current, there is no energy transfer, so no conservation issue.

Later note: Sorry I may have misunderstood the scenario. If you have a single circuit, but wound in opposite directions so that one part cancels the induced magnetic field from the other part, you obviously do have a current -  but no field so no inductance.

But then there is no "cancelled current", only a cancelled magnetic field. A magnetic field stores energy, hence the stored energy in an inductive circuit. But if there is no field induced there is no stored energy, so again no energy loss to explain.

Edited by exchemist, 24 January 2018 - 04:46 AM.