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#1 houseknight

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Posted 01 November 2017 - 12:22 AM

«Politically correct truth» says that Islam, in general, is the right religion, but some Muslims misunderstand it.

But My personal experience, as well as the collective experience of non-Muslims, says exactly opposite: most of the Muslims we face in our life are good people. But when Muslims unite and act collectively, for example, as part of a religious-political movement, or an army, or a nation, or an «Islamic ummah,» they commit mass crimes. There are a lot of examples. Today, the so-called Islamists are eager for nuclear weapons and threaten to destroy this planet, in the name of Allah and Muhammad. 

Common sense says that the problem are not the Muslims as people, but the Islamic religion. Even a cursory analysis shows that the deeds and teachings of Muhammad cannot serve an example of the moral behavior of Muslims towards non-Muslims, both in everyday life and in politics. The fact that non-Muslims make up the majority on this planet does not matter to Muhammad, he believes that «non-Muslim cannot be equal to a Muslim». 

Accordingly, the «politically correct» behavior of non-Muslims only confirms the basic message of Muhammad: Muslims will win, even if today they are minority and are weak. Anyway, Muslims must attack the «infidels» in the name of Islam, in all ways, from war to bribery and treachery. «The infidels» will either turn to Islam, or submit and will pay a tax, or they will be destroyed. The goal justifies the means — this is the essence of the doctrine of Muhammad as a politician. 

We all have to understand that the victory of such Islam is the way to the end of the Mankind, that is, the apocalypse. This is not only a nuclear baton in the hands of Islamists. Equally important is the principle that «the goal justifies the means». Islamic policy generates conflicts within the «Islamic ummah». Today’s wars between Muslims are a consequence of islamist doctrine. These «internal» conflicts between Muslims are unavoidable, and they serve as a prototype of the future «World caliphate», that is, the world domination of the Muslims. If we all become Muslims, then we will destroy each other mutually. In other words, the World Caliphate means Apocalypse, or the End of the World.

In order to avoid this End of the World, which threatened  Muhammad in his Qur’an, the «infidels» together with non-Jihadist Muslims are obliged to render firm resistance to jihad in all its forms and manifestations, and simultaneously to explain to all Muslims, where they are wrong. Instead of «politically correct» chatter and concessions in matters of principle, the Justice should become the basis of the international community’s policy towards the Muslims,. 

It also means that the «infidels» have to correct themselves in order to be saved from the Islamist apocalypse. Morality must return to our daily life and politics, otherwise all will perish physically. Politicians are obliged to stop their habitual intrigues and lies, we must stop massive corruption, exploitation and trafficking drugs. We all must begin correcting ourselves and uniting against Jihad. 

The reform of Islam, which many Muslims talk about, must be radical, otherwise it will fix nothing. The international community must help Muslims proclaiming «Islam with a human face,» even if they are not the majority in their countries. The dream of democracy in the countries of Islam will have to be postponed until Islam is radically reformed, or lose its influence. 

Those Muslims who are fighting against aggressive Islam, like Al Sissi in Egypt and Gulen in Turkey, are right, even if they remain minority in their countries. Just these people must implement the reform of Islam, and create Islam with a human face as an alternative to Islamist aggression. Until they win, even the most pleasant Muslims will remain potential enemies, capable at any moment turn beasts «in the name of Islam.» At the bottom line, the best way to reassure and convince Muslims is to take hard line of Justice.


Edited by houseknight, 01 November 2017 - 04:44 PM.


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Posted 03 November 2017 - 10:42 AM

Ok since no one bothered to reply, I make it short. Tell me a group of people united by belief which never has committed mass crimes in history? And tell me which religion exists which does not proclaim to be the right one? In other words we are all going to a hell, since no matter which religion you are another one sends you to hell because of not being it.

Rest of your text is just fear-mongering. Anders Breivik would agree with you and that should be a sign ;-) In case you have no clue who he is google is your friend



#3 houseknight

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Posted 03 November 2017 - 05:24 PM

Ok since no one bothered to reply, I make it short. Tell me a group of people united by belief which never has committed mass crimes in history? And tell me which religion exists which does not proclaim to be the right one? In other words we are all going to a hell, since no matter which religion you are another one sends you to hell because of not being it.

Rest of your text is just fear-mongering. Anders Breivik would agree with you and that should be a sign ;-) In case you have no clue who he is google is your friend

In the past, religions and ideologies, indeed, served pretext to mass crimes: Christianity, Nazis, Communist regimes, imperialist regimes, some nationalists etc. But all old ideologies transformed or gone. Only Islam is "in duty". Let's imagine, that Christianity remained in its VII century shape, or Hitler was welcomed as a model of pacifism. Or the USSR was not confronted  by NATO. Aggression must be confronted, otherwise it win.

From the point of view of humanist teaching, Islam isn't better, than its predecessors, Judaism and Christianity. Qur'an lacks humanism. Be sure to read Qur'an and to understand Muhammad's promise. Not occasionally, Muhammad was forced to compel his teaching by force, namely "Jihad". Caliphs continued Muhammad's way, together they developed believe and social system, which fit perfectly the goal, that is conquest and power in the name of Islam. Supremacy is the core of Islam. 

The main obstacle for "humanization" of Islam is Muhammad himself. He was successful politician and conqueror, and here is the problem. Because of lack of other moral commandments, Muslims try to imitate their model, Muhammad. Let's imagine, that all human beings behave like politicians and cruel conquerors... Just such behavior we distinguish in Muslim countries. Syria, Iraq, Palestine, Lebanon, Yemen, Libya, Turkey, Afghanistan, Algeria, Iran, Pakistan... And this is prototype of the World Caliphate. 



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Posted 03 November 2017 - 11:13 PM

Qur'an lacks humanism.  

 

So does the Pentateuch, dear. "Wrathful God" and that.

 

All you're doing here is spewing your incredibly biased--and hate-filled--interpretations.

 

Seriously, all religions have "transformed or (are) gone" in the 20th century *except* for Islam? 

 

You deserve to be told you're either stupid or a snake oil salesman. 

 

What are you trying to prove here? You don't answer anyone's direct critiques--even on science topics--with anything other than misdirection or biased rantings.

 

Are you having fun? If so, that's what we call trollish behavior, and it's frowned upon here. Decide whether you actually want to interact or if you're just here to pontificate on stuff that as we say in the US "just ain't so."

 

Our natures are, indeed, elusively insubstantial—notoriously less stable and less inherent than the nature of other things. And insofar as this is the case, sincerity itself is bullshit, :phones:

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Posted 04 November 2017 - 10:21 AM

So does the Pentateuch, dear. "Wrathful God" and that.

 

All you're doing here is spewing your incredibly biased--and hate-filled--interpretations.

 

Seriously, all religions have "transformed or (are) gone" in the 20th century *except* for Islam? 

 

You deserve to be told you're either stupid or a snake oil salesman. 

 

What are you trying to prove here? You don't answer anyone's direct critiques--even on science topics--with anything other than misdirection or biased rantings.

 

Are you having fun? If so, that's what we call trollish behavior, and it's frowned upon here. Decide whether you actually want to interact or if you're just here to pontificate on stuff that as we say in the US "just ain't so."

 

Our natures are, indeed, elusively insubstantial—notoriously less stable and less inherent than the nature of other things. And insofar as this is the case, sincerity itself is bullshit, :phones:

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I'm forced to quote Myself: "Islam isn't better, than previous religions, Judaism and Christianity". You just quote Bible to support my assertion. Please, red one more time my previous comment. Where, exactly, I'm wrong?

Nobody urges the Jews or Christians to kill Egyptian first-borns. Moses himself killed only one Egyptian, who mocked a Jew slave. All "Egyptian executions" had performed cruel God himself. Instead, Muhammad just took the role of Allah and punished "unbelievers" through Jihad. Muslims simply follow Muhammad's example and teachings. They learn Qur'an thoroughly. They live it. Live Muhammad's life in Mecca, the wars of Medina. From Muslim point of view, Muhammad's beating of Jews continues up to this day, in the form of beating Israel. This is precisely what have been tought Iran and other schoolchildren. They know, that their moral duty is to free Palestine, to free Jerusalem, to behave haughtily towards "infidels" and "unbelievers"'. And to sacrifice their lives, or at least participate Jihad giving money. All this in XXI, not XX century. You actually claim, that the problem doesn't exist, or maybe the pregnancy would disappear without result.



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Posted 05 November 2017 - 12:01 AM

I'm forced to quote Myself: "Islam isn't better, than previous religions, Judaism and Christianity". You just quote Bible to support my assertion. Please, red one more time my previous comment. Where, exactly, I'm wrong?

 

Goodness. It's even in the post of mine that you quoted and you completely ignored it.

 

Here it is again, your words: "Qur'an lacks humanism."

 

By ignoring what I've said and prattling on with the equivalent of "I know you are but what am I?" you just make yourself look foolish.

 

And then you proceed to slam all Muslims for slavishly following every word of the Quran, which simply isn't true. Do some? Sure, but then there are some Orthodox settlers who say they're perfectly justified murdering Palestinians in cold blood because some different Palestinians murdered an Orthodox and "eye for an eye."

 

Don't come back with more atrocities, it's not the point. You only believe in one side and the "compromises" you propose are hysterically one-sided, premised on the notion that the Palestinians are evil and don't deserve consideration. 

 

You keep talking about compromise and then turn around and slander Palestinians. Why do you think they'll bother to listen to you? Do you realize how extremist you sound? You can say "but I'm compromising!" all you want, but your body of work on this site endlessly indicates otherwise.

 

 

Is there someone else up there we can talk to? :phones:

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Posted 05 November 2017 - 04:40 AM

Goodness. It's even in the post of mine that you quoted and you completely ignored it.

 

Here it is again, your words: "Qur'an lacks humanism."

 

By ignoring what I've said and prattling on with the equivalent of "I know you are but what am I?" you just make yourself look foolish.

 

And then you proceed to slam all Muslims for slavishly following every word of the Quran, which simply isn't true. Do some? Sure, but then there are some Orthodox settlers who say they're perfectly justified murdering Palestinians in cold blood because some different Palestinians murdered an Orthodox and "eye for an eye."

 

Don't come back with more atrocities, it's not the point. You only believe in one side and the "compromises" you propose are hysterically one-sided, premised on the notion that the Palestinians are evil and don't deserve consideration. 

 

You keep talking about compromise and then turn around and slander Palestinians. Why do you think they'll bother to listen to you? Do you realize how extremist you sound? You can say "but I'm compromising!" all you want, but your body of work on this site endlessly indicates otherwise.

 

 

Is there someone else up there we can talk to? :phones:

Buffy

First, ALL Muslims believe in the Holy Qur'an. However, yet in VIII century came some Muslim interpreters, who stated, that the Qur'an doesn't fully fit the so called "Hidden table" of Allah. Sure, not all deeds of Muhammad may be example of moral behavior for modern people. I believe, that these two basic settings MUST turn mandatory for islamic teachings both for schoolchildren and High education. All versions of Islam, which don't fit these two demands, are not welcomed.


Edited by houseknight, 05 November 2017 - 04:58 AM.


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Posted 05 November 2017 - 11:05 AM

All versions of Islam, which don't fit these two demands, are not welcomed.

 

Thanks for letting us know.

 

 

They say that Caliph Omar, when consulted about what had to be done with the library of Alexandria, answered as follows: 'If the books of this library contain matters opposed to the Koran, they are bad and must be burned. If they contain only the doctrine of the Koran, burn them anyway, for they are superfluous.' Our learned men have cited this reasoning as the height of absurdity. However, suppose Gregory the Great was there instead of Omar and the Gospel instead of the Koran. The library would still have been burned, and that might well have been the finest moment in the life of this illustrious pontiff, :phones:

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 01:56 PM

houseknight ,which peaceful,progressive and humane religion or poitical ideology do you subscribe to ? 





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