Contrary to You, the Palestinian people know perfectly, that whole their conflict with the Jews for at least last 1.000 years was and remains islamistic.
You've said a bunch of times here that Palestinians have no rights to land because they're from elsewhere. Decide what you want to actually believe.
Islam was not "anti-Jew" (hey, remember Palestinians--if you *do* grant they actually exist--are Semites too!) until the Grand Mufti if Jerusalem started getting uppity about Jews migrating back to Palestine in the 20s and 30s and decided allying with Hitler was a cool thing. The idea that it's a 1000 years of conflict bears no resemblance to reality.
But it's great for stirring up emotions.
The core of HAMAS' Charter is quote from islamic tradition, which states, that any territory captured by Muslims in the past, belongs to Muslims. HAMAS, like other islamist movements, seeks World Chaliphate.
So the Quran mentions a "Caliphate" a couple of times and thus it's embedded in Muslim doctrine. Nothing about "World Caliphate," just Caliphate, singular as in one.
Caliphate translates as "Islamic State." Israel was established as, and it's citizens continue to endorse it as the "Jewish State."
In your mind, the latter is legitimate and the former is not. You have to add "World" to it to make it sound like they're out for world domination, which they are not.
It is true that Islam seeks converts and Judaism does not, but becoming a Muslim is actually rather difficult compared to the silly Christians where all you've got to do is say "Jesus is my savior" dunk your head in the water and you're in. None of this memorizing the Quran or learning Arabic as some sects insist. Really, about the same as Judaism, except you don't have to ask the Rabbi 3 times.
That's all a long way from some sort of world domination, and all the stuff about the Quran "advocating violence or killing Infidels," well, Crusaders didn't find much of a problem showing support in the scriptures for their fight against Islam, a fight they fought for you. And as for the Jews in ancient times, well, there's Deuteronomy 20:13-16. Whoo.
War is in man's past. We now have civilization-ending weapons, and everyone is thinking about conflict differently. And we'd better if we want to survive.
The thing the rest of us fear is you and Iran lobbing nukes at each other, both sides believing they can "win." Iran has done the right thing and said, "we're de-escalating, now you Israel, stop threatening to annihilate *us*.
Your only response here is to insist that they're bloodthirsty eliminationists bent on world domination. And you refuse to engage on the issue I raise of how this stance is interpreted by others. You simply insist it is unassailable because all Muslims are inherently, homicidally evil. That would be funny if the consequences weren't so dire.
Regarding elections, HAMAS wins all elections, it participates.
Just because your local football club wins all it's matches with teams down the road doesn't mean you're gonna win the World Cup.
Hamas keeps running away, and right now, they have never been politically weaker because their strategy of buying off people's support has run into a wall, as I mentioned above, because primary backer Qatar has pulled back support. The Iranians hate Hamas. The wars in Syria and Yemen have sucked up funds and intensified divisions in the Arab world. The Oil states are all incredibly squeezed because of low oil prices.
It's actually hard to see a time in the recent past where there has been *less* of a threat to Israel, not because of Netanyahu's hard line but simply because of the weakness and division in the Arab world.
What better time to start picking them off one by one with peace agreements? Play them off against each other!
But no, the only course for you is to be hostile to everyone, antagonize them all and insist that they're all homicidal maniacs.
That's not diplomacy, that's whipping up the masses for exterminating them.
Now even Netanyahu has been smart enough not to pull the trigger on attacking Iran, basically holding out for some US president who'd be willing to commit US forces to join in an invasion. Both Bushes laughed that one off, while not really making the situation better either, with W. Bush's disengagement resulting in Iran's last round of ramping up nuclear enrichment facilities, which Obama then succeeded in stopping.
I know, "no one should trust a Muslim," but if you're going to insist on that, how does this play out? Do you have a 1000 year "Mexican Standoff" with both sides staring each other down, constantly on the brink of all out war, with each side occasionally starting border skirmishes just daring the other side to escalate?
How do you know that you'll be able to keep that up forever without starting a major conflagration?
Why is it worth the ongoing risk of that conflagration just to be "right" about how the other side is "evil?"
And if they are really "evil," isn't the safest thing to simply kill them all, which I'm sure you could righteously justify?
In addition, Islam contradicts democracy from its very beginning under Muhammad. Islamic conquest forced Muslim rule on Christian and Pagan majority, and this is the core of Jihad, no matter what is the method of the conquest.
This is silly. None of the major religious scriptures mentions democracy.
At the bottom line, the Palestine-Israel conflict is both nationalist and religious. While nationalists may come to compromise, the islamic aggression must be confronted. And there is no sign, that Islam is dying.
The first half of this is one of the few things you've said that makes any sense, so kudos for that. But you just keep slipping into this "Islam is inherently evil" schtick that's both tiresome and wrong.
What is correct is that *extremists* of all stripes must be confronted. There's absolutely no argument there, but the Palestinians can point to Jewish extremists and their atrocities too. I don't care who murders, but they're wrong, and I will fight them along with you.
But by saying no Muslim can be trusted, you take the many that *might* work with you against those extremists and you make them *enemies*.
That's really, really, really stupid.
And I will continue to argue against that and point out it's stupidity.
I'm in one of the closest groups to supporting you, and yet you seem to want to make me an enemy too for disagreeing on your hatred of Islam. That hatred is understandable, but if you want to succeed in creating a Jewish state that lives in peace, you're going to have to start dealing with that hatred.
Sorry. Reality does not allow for absolutism, in fact it will teach you nasty lessons at every turn if you pursue it.
It is better to jaw-jaw than to war-war,