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Personally, I never believed that healthy people need to see a doctor every year.  I have seen people nearly killed from side effects of blood pressure medication, and I wonder if some of this "preventative medicine" might be preventing heart disease death simply causing the patient to die from another cause.

 

Every living thing has a 100% chance of death.

 

Alright, that's simply fair enough solely in the context of freedom of speech.

 

 

All in all, since it's finally the curative and therapeutic outcomes that would solely & eventually matter to the fees-paying patients seeking treatments from any fees-seeking doctors including the psychiatrists, and about the fees-seeking doctors, in any cases treating their fees-paying patients, reasonably anyone, especially the / any fees-paying patients would agree with the below:

 

 

"Well, for the professional psychiatrists seeking fees from their patients for their professional services, well, rather than getting their original medical conditions improved as expected, but just simply on the other way round, turning their medical conditions progressively from bad to worse, such as making them end up contracting any of the totally unexpected & fully unwanted dire neuromuscular, neurological & neurodegenerative disorders of Extrapyramidal Symptoms (EPS) -

 

Extrapyramidal system

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extrapyramidal_system

/

 

Extrapyramidal symptoms

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extrapyramidal_symptoms

 

 

etc. from the use of the related medications dispensed to them etc.,then naturally these fees-paying patients simply have all the undisputed rights to take whatsoever remedial actions anytime or immediately to seek damages & compensations from these fully licensed & certified medical professionals, and in the worst case scenario, just have their medical practicing licenses getting fully revoked on the fully valid grounds of gross negligence, miscellaneous breaches of professional conducts etc. by their respective professional medical bodies and associations which certify these licensed professionals in the first place."

 

as excerpted from :

 

http://www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=2064819#i

 

 

And it's simply all common senses at least for the fees-paying patients spending money seeking medical treatments to get better, treated, healed and cured eventually rather than making things worse for they themselves in the end. 

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Alright, that's simply fair enough solely in the context of freedom of speech.

 

 

All in all, since it's finally the curative and therapeutic outcomes that would solely & eventually matter to the fees-paying patients seeking treatments from any fees-seeking doctors including the psychiatrists, and about the fees-seeking doctors, in any cases treating their fees-paying patients, reasonably anyone, especially the / any fees-paying patients would agree with the below:

 

 

"Well, for the professional psychiatrists seeking fees from their patients for their professional services, well, rather than getting their original medical conditions improved as expected, but just simply on the other way round, turning their medical conditions progressively from bad to worse, such as making them end up contracting any of the totally unexpected & fully unwanted dire neuromuscular, neurological & neurodegenerative disorders of Extrapyramidal Symptoms (EPS) -

 

Extrapyramidal system

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extrapyramidal_system

/

 

Extrapyramidal symptoms

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extrapyramidal_symptoms

 

 

etc. from the use of the related medications dispensed to them etc.,then naturally these fees-paying patients simply have all the undisputed rights to take whatsoever remedial actions anytime or immediately to seek damages & compensations from these fully licensed & certified medical professionals, and in the worst case scenario, just have their medical practicing licenses getting fully revoked on the fully valid grounds of gross negligence, miscellaneous breaches of professional conducts etc. by their respective professional medical bodies and associations which certify these licensed professionals in the first place."

 

as excerpted from :

 

http://www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=2064819#i

 

 

And it's simply all common senses at least for the fees-paying patients spending money seeking medical treatments to get better, treated, healed and cured eventually rather than making things worse for they themselves in the end. 

What a load of tendentious and badly written ballocks. 

 

What's your problem? You seem to be some sort of obsessive. 

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What a load of tendentious and badly written ballocks. 

 

What's your problem? You seem to be some sort of obsessive. 

Do you think someone had a bad experience  with the healthcare system?

 

I have my suspicions about the way they are pushing the statin drugs such as Lipitur.  They keep lowering the"healthy" cholesterol limits so that it seems they want everyone on the drugs.

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Do you think someone had a bad experience  with the healthcare system?

 

I have my suspicions about the way they are pushing the statin drugs such as Lipitur.  They keep lowering the"healthy" cholesterol limits so that it seems they want everyone on the drugs.

Sounds to me as if someone is having problems with his or her mind, and is beset by paranoid conspiracy theories. 

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Sounds to me as if someone is having problems with his or her mind, and is beset by paranoid conspiracy theories. 

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/apr/07/the-sugar-conspiracy-robert-lustig-john-yudkin  Some conspiracies do happen.

 

What is someone to think when personal experience contradicts prevailing medical advice.  I have a relative who has diabetes, but keeps his blood sugar in control by avoiding sugar.  The advice is to avoid fat, which makes no sense when it's the sugar that is problematic.  He will routinely eat as many as 6 eggs at one sitting, several days each week, and consumes cheese and meat daily.  His cholesterol has remained low, as have his triglycerides , and  his blood pressure is fine, yet they want to put him on Lipitur, and in spite of his blood sugar remaining where it should be, they also want him on Metformin.  He has refused the drugs, and his doctor admitted that he probably shouldn't change a thing, and has been taking heat from his insurance company, but has so far stood up to them on his behalf.  

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He has refused the drugs, and his doctor admitted that he probably shouldn't change a thing, and has been taking heat from his insurance company, but has so far stood up to them on his behalf.  

 

I think you've hit on one of our biggest problems, which is that the insurance companies are sure that they know more about what you should be doing for your health than your doctors do. And since they hold the purse strings, they often win.

 

I imagine in this case, they won't be able to force him or his doctor to do anything, but I'll guarantee you if it wasn't for Obamacare, the insurance company would jack up his rates for "uncontrolled blood sugar diagnosis." That literally happened before rates based on "pre-existing conditions" were banned.

 

I'm sure there are those who would say he's irresponsible and they don't think that their insurance should "subsidize" his "bad" behavior, but obviously, they're wrong.

 

 

There is still no cure for the common birthday, :phones:
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Alright, that's simply fair enough solely in the context of freedom of speech.

 

 

All in all, since it's finally the curative and therapeutic outcomes that would solely & eventually matter to the fees-paying patients seeking treatments from any fees-seeking doctors including the psychiatrists, and about the fees-seeking doctors, in any cases treating their fees-paying patients, reasonably anyone, especially the / any fees-paying patients would agree with the below:

 

 

"Well, for the professional psychiatrists seeking fees from their patients for their professional services, well, rather than getting their original medical conditions improved as expected, but just simply on the other way round, turning their medical conditions progressively from bad to worse, such as making them end up contracting any of the totally unexpected & fully unwanted dire neuromuscular, neurological & neurodegenerative disorders of Extrapyramidal Symptoms (EPS) -

 

Extrapyramidal system

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extrapyramidal_system

/

 

Extrapyramidal symptoms

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extrapyramidal_symptoms

 

 

etc. from the use of the related medications dispensed to them etc.,then naturally these fees-paying patients simply have all the undisputed rights to take whatsoever remedial actions anytime or immediately to seek damages & compensations from these fully licensed & certified medical professionals, and in the worst case scenario, just have their medical practicing licenses getting fully revoked on the fully valid grounds of gross negligence, miscellaneous breaches of professional conducts etc. by their respective professional medical bodies and associations which certify these licensed professionals in the first place."

 

as excerpted from :

 

http://www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=2064819#i

 

 

And it's simply all common senses at least for the fees-paying patients spending money seeking medical treatments to get better, treated, healed and cured eventually rather than making things worse for they themselves in the end. 

 

What a load of tendentious and badly written ballocks. 

 

What's your problem? You seem to be some sort of obsessive. 

 

 

Ok, basically and generally anyone of you and anybody else can just simply express & say what they want in this open forum in the context of freedom of speech as long as the contents are agreeable and acceptable to the forum moderators and administrators.

 

 

Whilst as to what the different readers might think & consider about the contents of these posts, that's realistlcally, practically & definitely completely different stories & reasonably anyone would be able to judge that crap posts / useless story-tellings, nonsenses etc definitely won't serve any purposes at all.

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Administrators note: this thread has been split off from the "Sometimes Cures May Just Turn Out To Be Worse Than Diseases Themselves" discussion as off-topic.

 

It is not clear what the topic is, or even if it is useful. If it is not directed toward a logical discussion, it will be moved to the Strange Claims forum.

 

 

The practice of narrative and argument does not lead to invention, but it compels a certain coherence of thought, :phones:

Buffy

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Administrators note: this thread has been split off from the "Sometimes Cures May Just Turn Out To Be Worse Than Diseases Themselves" discussion as off-topic.

 

It is not clear what the topic is, or even if it is useful. If it is not directed toward a logical discussion, it will be moved to the Strange Claims forum.

 

 

The practice of narrative and argument does not lead to invention, but it compels a certain coherence of thought, :phones:

Buffy

How about the thread title be changed to "Should Profit Be a Driving Force in Healthcare?

 

I have come to feel as though healthcare should be treated as a public utility.

 

I have in in-law who works in scheduling for a hospital and is about to lose her job because of a merger.  The scheduling for the offices in her hospital will now be done in a hospital more than 100 miles away.  It has gotten to where patients don't even have access to the offices of the doctor they are seeing.  The medical offices in my town don't even answer the phone.  You call and get a recording telling you to leave your contact number and a brief message, and they will return your call when it is convenient for them, and that may take several days.

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