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Population Increase And Its Implications In The 21St Century


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#35 Doctordick

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Posted 20 September 2017 - 12:25 PM

 

Sustainable development requires human ingenuity. People are the most important resource, :phones:

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I agree except for one issue. Do you really believe that no matter how many you have, more is always better? That idea strikes me as thoughtless!

 

You would first have to determine which fields of study are most important. 

 

Now here you are failing to take into account the fact that our ignorance means that we essentially have no idea as to what knowledge is most important. My position is that all fields of research should be studied and extended.

 

Furthermore, I have been around for a long time and have run across no serious cases of inbreeding among the people I have known personally. In my opinion "inbreeding" is a phenomena which rarely occurs within an open and free society.

 

The issue everyone absolutely refuses to look at is the absolute excess of humanity which is in fact the single most important component of the dangerous and destructive activities of humanity. I think it is quite obvious that there are more people on earth than are needed. If I am in error, please point out the need for this massive population and explain why you think the resultant suffering is a worth while component. Should mankind actually invest in ignorance?

 

My impression is that you just don't want to think about such things. All I am asking is what you think the population ought to be and you seem to be scared to death that thinking about that question requires you to think about how to achieve such a thing. That is nothing more than a reason for not thinking!!!!  Please---

 

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Posted 20 September 2017 - 01:25 PM

I agree except for one issue. Do you really believe that no matter how many you have, more is always better? That idea strikes me as thoughtless!

 

To clarify, the quote is by Dan Shechtman, winner of the Nobel Chemistry Prize in 2011. While the implication is that more is better, it doesn't really say that there's no notion of "too many." That of course is what we're discussing here, but the concept does imply that while there's a desire to stay within a sustainable limit, that there's an argument for more than a very small number, in fact I'd argue that this point means that we do want a "number that is as large as sustainable, but no larger."

 

Whether this is true or not depends on how desirable "ingenuity" is, or in a more general sense, sources of intellectual diversity (similar to genetic diversity, which is also an issue).

 

What do you think?

 

 

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Posted 21 September 2017 - 06:04 AM

 

To clarify, the quote is by Dan Shechtman, winner of the Nobel Chemistry Prize in 2011. While the implication is that more is better, it doesn't really say that there's no notion of "too many." That of course is what we're discussing here, but the concept does imply that while there's a desire to stay within a sustainable limit, that there's an argument for more than a very small number, in fact I'd argue that this point means that we do want a "number that is as large as sustainable, but no larger."

 

Whether this is true or not depends on how desirable "ingenuity" is, or in a more general sense, sources of intellectual diversity (similar to genetic diversity, which is also an issue).

 

What do you think?

 

 

We need diversity of thought in the world to face the new challenges, :phones:
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Ah, Buffy; look around at the world as it is today and tell me that you truly believe we need more of every component of the current society which exists today. My question is quite simple, what number would accommodate all the beneficial aspects of humanities existence without implementing some of humanities more dangerous tendencies. Do we really need the population we seem to be working with?  What would be a rational number?

 

This seems to be an issue no one wants to think about. Perhaps they are right! Perhaps all aspects of human behavior have worth while benefits and populations should be increased until the numbers can no longer be sustained. Let our environment do its job of eliminating the unsustainable. Thought on the subject is clearly not recommended here.

 

Perhaps education is also a total waste of time???

 

Have fun -- Dick