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#1 malform11

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Posted 28 May 2017 - 10:51 AM

At normal social media, the topic is embraced and most people give their honest

opinions.

 

At forums, everyone tries to nullify and deconstruct the topic and have nothing

constructive to offer.
 
At normal social media there are many readers.

 

At forums, the ten people that read you are mostly moderators. The others are

just nasty protectors of the sacred cow truths. Each person must have several

identities, to pad the forum, and provide the illusion of many people in

disagreement of you.

 

At normal social media, posters are only considered for their ideas and words,

no credibility games are played.

 

Forums operate under the pretense that the moderators and their friends know

everything. All visitors are ignorant and have no credibility, and anything they

say is automatically wrong.

 

This is why forums are dying, and deservedly so. I was stupid to think i could

get around the ridiculous nonsense, but forums are designed to be a losing game,

and will only stifle any visitor with substance.

 

Forums will die, and those who were supressed by them will move forward. The

people will find others who actually want to hear their words. They will get

real feedback, and will sometimes experience agreement.

 

They will exist, forums will not.



#2 mrg

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Posted 28 May 2017 - 10:56 AM

Did you know you can find decaf coffee that is every bit as tasty as the real thing?


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#3 Farming guy

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Posted 28 May 2017 - 11:16 AM

At normal social media, the topic is embraced and most people give their honest

opinions.

 

At forums, everyone tries to nullify and deconstruct the topic and have nothing

constructive to offer.
 
At normal social media there are many readers.

 

At forums, the ten people that read you are mostly moderators. The others are

just nasty protectors of the sacred cow truths. Each person must have several

identities, to pad the forum, and provide the illusion of many people in

disagreement of you.

 

At normal social media, posters are only considered for their ideas and words,

no credibility games are played.

 

Forums operate under the pretense that the moderators and their friends know

everything. All visitors are ignorant and have no credibility, and anything they

say is automatically wrong.

 

This is why forums are dying, and deservedly so. I was stupid to think i could

get around the ridiculous nonsense, but forums are designed to be a losing game,

and will only stifle any visitor with substance.

 

Forums will die, and those who were supressed by them will move forward. The

people will find others who actually want to hear their words. They will get

real feedback, and will sometimes experience agreement.

 

They will exist, forums will not.

You must be talking about some other forums, right?  

 

My experiences here have been different.  

 

I like my cows, but do not consider them sacred.


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#4 Turtle

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Posted 28 May 2017 - 11:21 AM

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Posted 28 May 2017 - 11:26 AM

:hal_skeleton:

 

You get a "+" on that, TTL.  That's cute.



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Posted 28 May 2017 - 11:33 AM

At normal social media, the topic is embraced and most people give their honest
opinions.
 
At forums, everyone tries to nullify and deconstruct the topic and have nothing
constructive to offer.
 
At normal social media there are many readers.
 
At forums, the ten people that read you are mostly moderators. The others are
just nasty protectors of the sacred cow truths. Each person must have several
identities, to pad the forum, and provide the illusion of many people in
disagreement of you.
 
At normal social media, posters are only considered for their ideas and words,
no credibility games are played.
 
Forums operate under the pretense that the moderators and their friends know
everything. All visitors are ignorant and have no credibility, and anything they
say is automatically wrong.
 
This is why forums are dying, and deservedly so. I was stupid to think i could
get around the ridiculous nonsense, but forums are designed to be a losing game,
and will only stifle any visitor with substance.
 
Forums will die, and those who were supressed by them will move forward. The
people will find others who actually want to hear their words. They will get
real feedback, and will sometimes experience agreement.
 
They will exist, forums will not.


Bye.

#7 spartan45

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Posted 28 May 2017 - 02:19 PM

At normal social media, the topic is embraced and most people give their honest

opinions.

 

At forums, everyone tries to nullify and deconstruct the topic and have nothing

constructive to offer.
 
At normal social media there are many readers.

 

At forums, the ten people that read you are mostly moderators. The others are

just nasty protectors of the sacred cow truths. Each person must have several

identities, to pad the forum, and provide the illusion of many people in

disagreement of you.

 

At normal social media, posters are only considered for their ideas and words,

no credibility games are played.

 

Forums operate under the pretense that the moderators and their friends know

everything. All visitors are ignorant and have no credibility, and anything they

say is automatically wrong.

 

This is why forums are dying, and deservedly so. I was stupid to think i could

get around the ridiculous nonsense, but forums are designed to be a losing game,

and will only stifle any visitor with substance.

 

Forums will die, and those who were supressed by them will move forward. The

people will find others who actually want to hear their words. They will get

real feedback, and will sometimes experience agreement.

 

They will exist, forums will not.

Science forums offer a worldwide academic platform open to all and are responsible for fuelling my enthusiasm to explore and develop many ideas I’ve had over the years, with about a dozen of these on Google’s first results page under science forum’s websites. The high efficiency of internet search engines to find answers to scientific questions may cause unforeseen problems for science forums however, because imagine somebody is about to submit a dissertation, but the thesis it attempts to prove forming the basis of their PhD appears on a post from an unknown on a science forum; putting at risk maybe 3 years of study; or, what if somebody brings to light something that could cause financial loss to a commercial concern. There may be many other things that cause strange reactions from science forums, I have certainly encountered them. The bottom line is normal social media is in a different realm to science forums.

I have enjoyed reading your views on the speed of gravity and some of your other unconventional ideas, but I cannot help smiling at some of the very humorous and clever comments from forum members. Hopefully you will stay with this forum.


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#8 DrKrettin

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Posted 29 May 2017 - 06:54 AM

At normal social media, the topic is embraced and most people give their honest

opinions.

 

At forums, everyone tries to nullify and deconstruct the topic and have nothing

constructive to offer.
 
 

 

What are normal social media? I thought a forum was one, but obviously I was wrong. 



#9 OceanBreeze

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Posted 29 May 2017 - 08:44 AM

Am I the only one here who sees the irony in someone who has an opinion that forums have no credibility, posting that opinion on a forum? Is this an example of an Epistemic Paradox?


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Posted 30 May 2017 - 12:00 PM

Am I the only one here who sees the irony in someone who has an opinion that forums have no credibility, posting that opinion on a forum? Is this an example of an Epistemic Paradox?

Yep.  Sounds like a crank who isn't getting enough online praise for his "out of the box thinking" and believes he deserves more, and that the evil moderators and trolls are denying him his rightful accolades.  It is worth noting that he is touting the benefits of "normal social media" - but such cranks often end up on forums because they have exhausted their supply of colleagues, friends and mentors willing to listen to them.


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Posted 30 May 2017 - 12:27 PM

Yep.  Sounds like a crank who isn't getting enough online praise for his "out of the box thinking" and believes he deserves more, and that the evil moderators and trolls are denying him his rightful accolades.  It is worth noting that he is touting the benefits of "normal social media" - but such cranks often end up on forums because they have exhausted their supply of colleagues, friends and mentors willing to listen to them.


Yes, this seems to be a variant on the "grand, trampling exit", a standard crank behaviour when patience and interest are exhausted.

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Posted 30 May 2017 - 01:05 PM

Yes, this seems to be a variant on the "grand, trampling exit", a standard crank behaviour when patience and interest are exhausted.


"You better beat it -- I hear they're going to tear you down and put up an office 
building where you're standing.  You can leave in a taxi. If you can't get a taxi, you 
can leave in a huff. If that's too soon, you can leave in a minute and a huff." 

-- Groucho Marx 

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Posted 30 May 2017 - 07:53 PM

This is probably not a good topic to start on a forum where the average age is old enough to actually remember the "credibility gap."

 

 

For every credibility gap there is a gullibility gap, :phones:

Buffy


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#14 spartan45

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Posted 01 June 2017 - 10:54 AM

You must be talking about some other forums, right?  

 

My experiences here have been different.  

 

I like my cows, but do not consider them sacred.

Yes Farming guy, I agree with you, scienceforums seems to provide a different experience to other mainstream science forums.

Ask Google ‘Does the establishment punish curiosity’ and out of 42,400.000 results the top result today (1st June 2017) is from ‘scienceforums‘  -  silly claims forum. The post was the first I have made on this forum and I cautiously entered the question in the silly claims subsection. I have to be careful because distressingly I am unable to contribute to 3 mainstream science forums, (one for life I think) just for being curious. Well done this forum for not blocking the question.



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Posted 01 June 2017 - 11:20 AM

Yes Farming guy, I agree with you, scienceforums seems to provide a different experience to other mainstream science forums.

Ask Google ‘Does the establishment punish curiosity’ and out of 42,400.000 results the top result today (1st June 2017) is from ‘scienceforums‘  -  silly claims forum. The post was the first I have made on this forum and I cautiously entered the question in the silly claims subsection. I have to be careful because distressingly I am unable to contribute to 3 mainstream science forums, (one for life I think) just for being curious. Well done this forum for not blocking the question.

I've been on several of these forums and I doubt that you were chucked out "just for being curious". 

 

It seems far more likely that you were advancing some idea contradicting accepted science, without supporting it or explaining why it should be taken seriously. That would get a person chucked out of many of them, because they exist to allow scientifically literate people to exchange information and to enable that they have to be assiduous in weeding out cranks and trolls. 



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Posted 05 June 2017 - 06:13 AM

At normal social media, the topic is embraced and most people give their honest

opinions.

 

At forums, everyone tries to nullify and deconstruct the topic and have nothing

constructive to offer.
 
At normal social media there are many readers.

 

Does not "normal social media" steer you into groups and ideas with which you already identify?   I understand that Facebook will personalize your news feed to reflect your preferences.

 

Even services such as Netflix and Amazon Prime do this with the entertainment you watch.  I find this feature annoying because sometimes I am looking for something different to view, and both services limit the menu to things similar to things I have already seen.

 

One of my favorite quotes from "Monty Python's Flying Circus " is "And now for something completely different!"  That is getting harder and harder to find.