I.D Posted January 16, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2004 or blacked out... so really u are only talking about existing in psychological terms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.D Posted January 16, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2004 but i was talking about physical reality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.D Posted January 16, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2004 and threfore in physical aspects that is not correct so it is not an absolute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razorofoccam Posted January 17, 2004 Report Share Posted January 17, 2004 Originally posted by: I.Dbut wat if ur in a coma does that mean u no longer exist? ID Human consciousness experiences objective reality [that is: what exists wether humansexist to experience it or not.., what IS]A: throught sensory input [data]Or B: realtime conscious thought.[which can occur if ALL exterior input is removed] The logical absolute"I reason therefore i exist... and thus,, 'a' reality exists. " Is made by logic,, a tool of conscious reason.It is the mind saying that the mind can only make that logical statement IFit exists.It CANNOT make the statement if it DOES NOT EXIST. If you say to yourself...'i exist'Then that is absolute verification that your conscious reason DOES exist... Self aware reasoning consciousness, seems to be the only 'system' that canso questuion the fundamental existence of itself. to your situation where one is in coma or unconscious.Is one that occam has encountered MANY timesThe answere is..That if consciousness is not operational.It can neither question or reason.It 'does not exist' as a self aware consciouness.[it may be defined as a suppressess or nonfunctional one] Without conscious reason...THE LOGICAL deduction of 'i reason therefore i exist.'cannot be made.. You might as well ask if you exist if you have no brain. Or ask a rock if it exists?? Occam proposes that in the typing of your reply. and the reading ofthis one..You absolutely validate that your conscious reason exists.And thus 'a' reality exists to support that existence.[for no phenomena can exist without 'a' reality or structure withlaws to support that existence] OR occam could say.. One CANNOT logically argue that ones reason and mind does not exist.For the act of doing so validates its existence..Absolutely.and importantly.validates absolutely that 'a' reality exists.That is ...WHAT IS exterior to human consciousnes. Thus it is NOT 'existing only in psychological terms as you put it..' It is a logical deduction that reason, and thus 'a' reality EXIST. thus...IS LOGIC CORRECT? Logic is the fundamental underpinning of all existent reality.ALL laws of reality and the systems they spawn are based on it.IF it did not work.NOTHING. could exist. InUnity><Occam PS..Even a solipsist must believe that something exists[himself only] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Henry Wotton Posted January 21, 2004 Report Share Posted January 21, 2004 Cogito ergo sum-This is not an absoluteExistence-This is not an absolute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Henry Wotton Posted January 21, 2004 Report Share Posted January 21, 2004 What if all these thoughts are implanted? What if I'm not thinking, but rather I am a tool? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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