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Built In Obsolescence Or Just Natural Wear And Tear?


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Has built in obsolescence in genes been proved or is it just a theory based upon the seeming facts? I ask on the basis that cans aid preservation of organic matter, from air and water born micro-organisms; movement creates wear as does any kind of change or conflict and therefore damage is what seems to me to limit lifetime, not the former? See Dawkins Guppies for information on reproduction needs of the race and longevity of the individual (The Greatest Show on Earth). Regeneration allows replacement of losses and initially helps evolutionary growth of the foetus, into recognizable child and then on into puberty. Ageing is where this replacement slows down and eventually halts with death as repair becomes more problematic.

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Each chromosome is one double stranded DNA (dsDNA) molecule. The telomeres that protect the ends of chromosomes are an extension of the same molecule, just a whole lot of repeat sequence. As chromosomes divide in each mitotic cell cycle, the 3' end of the dsDNA that protrudes slightly from the telomere is shortened slightly. After so many divisions the telomeres protecting the ends of the chromosomes are worn, and the chromosome begins to degrade bringing with it a whole raft of problems.

 

In somatic cells we lack an enzyme called telomerase, so every time a 3' end of DNA is exposed (single strand overlapping the rest of the molecule) - there is no equipment to fix it. And so, without intervention, the aging is inevitable.

 

Should we learn to get telomerase into somatic cells to repair telomeres after each mitotic division... fountain of youth?

My thoughts are that most older people are resistant to change, have disproportionate resources and power, and will ultimately use their extended lives to be even better at screwing their fellow man and planet. 

Death - it shortens the stays of sociopaths - so not all bad then.

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Interesting idea.  Yes, I often describe aging as being on an conveyor belt.  When you're young the top (death) seems a long way off but as you get older the end approaches and you fear dropping off into the unknown as at birth that was where you came from - hence innocence (not knowing anything much and having to build bridges into this world in the form of your own body and perception.  Older people are verbally clever but as you say their physical powers are waning.  They've fought to get their place in the world but they can do nothing to stop their exit.  I think this is why we have reproduction because we can't go on forever as individuals but ironically because we grow more aware of our own mortality, death draws us towards survival more than adventure (locked in our ivory tower we await the end or stay children forever and live through our children or at least the next generation, continuing to engage with life until it disengages us).

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My thoughts are that most older people are resistant to change, have disproportionate resources and power, and will ultimately use their extended lives to be even better at screwing their fellow man and planet. 

 

 

Yep... and my advise to the ones that are in their ivory towers and are still living partnered, is: TO START SPENDING you tight asses. To me it's like they want to live forever, and just plainly hog all that their is.

The internet though has pretty much stuffed them though, not only has the perception of wanting to follow the life set of the typical westerner brought out of the 50's gone and pretty much dissipated...but it has become quite obvious to some learned people of the 60/70's that they may actually end up living forever: Which now puts a huge mental burden on their shoulders...that it is the generation Xers that "think they know life" but are completely oblivious to the future, while the new generation (y's and the next ones) that can do ALL the work that all the elderly generation did on the order of 1000to1, and even greater: Which begs the question that does that person that wants to live forever, forgot to ask themselves. Whats the point.

 

The sadest part is...those that are pushing the "save the planet" stuff, are the ones that lived one of the most fruitful comfortable lives ever achievable on planet earth: And now they want to take that away from the children to be born.

 

Obsolescence: Genetic, I think it's their for a reason...to make you realise that your supposed to try and create, and to try and grow. Without the perception of ageing you have the problem of not being creative. Strange that the creative though usually give away thier creations, in the hope for the betterment of society...I say that if you have some sort of "advanced" know how, keep it to yourself, so that others may learn for themselves.

 

For those that reach complete enlightenment...I feel sorry for you.

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Obsolescence: Genetic, I think it's their for a reason...to make you realise that your supposed to try and create, and to try and grow. Without the perception of ageing you have the problem of not being creative. Strange that the creative though usually give away thier creations, in the hope for the betterment of society...I say that if you have some sort of "advanced" know how, keep it to yourself, so that others may learn for themselves.

 

For those that reach complete enlightenment...I feel sorry for you.

I think it is wanting to exchange what you have with what someone else has created, to stop your own life becoming boring.  People may want to ram down your throat what they have discovered / believe but learning is what you personally take on board.  As for reaching complete enlightenment - there's no such thing because it is like learning, a continual process, not an end product, hence my mickey take t-shirt design of what makes an artist www.pinterest.com/paigetheoracle/shallow-humour/

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Exchange (sex)

Enlightenment

...no such thing

 

Problem. For example genetic exchange. It used to be that we did not know the word Genetic exchange. -Now that I am enlightened to know what sex is, down to the last molecule: I no longer find it pleasing.

 

...if there is value in Growing a shared clone (Child to a couple) , then I would have rather have just gone to Sunday Church, and had my better half dressed in a pockerdot mini skirt while she did the dishes, than to have to care about a mortgage (as the bread winner)...while my better half is nothing more than a loud mouthed easy to predict product of the brain washed comprehension of the media and advertised product placement---all in the while knowing that I could calculate the appearance and demenour of said clone before I even say hello to a prospective partner.

 

I may aswell model the situation on a computer: It's actually more fun, and I don't need the mortgage or the headache...I can always press pause on my creation too.

 

...and with further enlightenment, I can recreate (partnered or unpartenered Genetic replication), in a completely different manner...eg. Dolly The Sheep, or better yet ErlyRisa the Spider: maybe I could raise the kids in eggs.

 

The egg environment could have TV's inside, where I can create the indoctrination that I desire (I would put mutiple channels on, so that there are differences in the children) Once out of the shell, I can put them too work, growing rice for Charlie, or Oil for Muhammed,

but really, if I had any brains (which I obviously don't, not being enlightened and all) I would make my offspring ultra intelligent, too build me a spaceship to get the f outahere.

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Problem. For example genetic exchange. It used to be that we did not know the word Genetic exchange. -Now that I am enlightened to know what sex is, down to the last molecule: I no longer find it pleasing.

 

...if there is value in Growing a shared clone (Child to a couple) , then I would have rather have just gone to Sunday Church, and had my better half dressed in a pockerdot mini skirt while she did the dishes, than to have to care about a mortgage (as the bread winner)...while my better half is nothing more than a loud mouthed easy to predict product of the brain washed comprehension of the media and advertised product placement---all in the while knowing that I could calculate the appearance and demenour of said clone before I even say hello to a prospective partner.

 

I may aswell model the situation on a computer: It's actually more fun, and I don't need the mortgage or the headache...I can always press pause on my creation too.

 

...and with further enlightenment, I can recreate (partnered or unpartenered Genetic replication), in a completely different manner...eg. Dolly The Sheep, or better yet ErlyRisa the Spider: maybe I could raise the kids in eggs.

 

The egg environment could have TV's inside, where I can create the indoctrination that I desire (I would put mutiple channels on, so that there are differences in the children) Once out of the shell, I can put them too work, growing rice for Charlie, or Oil for Muhammed,

but really, if I had any brains (which I obviously don't, not being enlightened and all) I would make my offspring ultra intelligent, too build me a spaceship to get the f outahere.

Well isn't escapism the only answer to imprisonment?  If we are indoctrinated to believe there is no God (good) or life elsewhere in the universe, then where are we going to escape to?  If death won't give us a new life and there is no life outside the confines of our prison 'as a belief system or physical reality,' then we are trapped, miserable (depressed) slaves doing our masters bidding, who may know that this simply isn't true but it is in our 'superiors' best interest not to tell us (Plato and the shadows on the cave wall - hints of other realities:  Book VII of The Republic).

 

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