Gun Laws

[paigetheoracle]

A study in Sweden found that road markings caused more 'accidents' than where none existed. This is because people stop being courteous and thoughtful, using their own judgement, when they start believing in rules. This is because they then believe that there is a right and wrong way to do things and that those doing it wrongly should be punished and they lose control of their emotions and therefore control over the physical world.

 

Could it be that this ties in with the following statistic that although America is third in the world for murders, it would be fourth from bottom, if big cities like Washington DC, Chicago, Detroit and New Orleans were taken out of the equation? Is this down to population density or the fact that large cities attract organized crime, gang culture and burglaries, robberies etc? In other words are the gun lobby right and it isn't guns that are the problem but those who use them and their motives, plus society's hard come down on gun users as opposed to the countrysides more laid back attitude to everything (I base this on the fact that The Old West wasn't as violent as the big cities even back then, based on statistics and that notoriety was down to such people standing out like sore thumbs rather than disappearing into the background of 'normal' life)? What is the evidence?

[SaxonViolence]

I don't know about your Question. It looks like it would be very hard to verify or refute—too many variables and too little of the data you need.

 

I have wondered this:

 

Bear with me a moment. The Victorians tried harder to repress the Sex Drive than any other society that I'm aware of. They put trousers on table and piano legs and asked for chicken calling it "Light"or "Dark Meat" because it seemed to risque to ask if you wanted a Breast or a Thigh.

 

At the same time, the upperclass Victorians (who were the only ones who really got into all the repression anyway) supported more prostitutes per capita by far than any other society in History.

 

And lets face it:

 

A Dude who will get turned on looking at a Chicken Breast, Piano Leg—or like the joke—Gets horny at "The Crack of Dawn"!

 

Is one Sex-Obsessed Shabnasticator.

 

Today we try hard to repress even the tiniest expression of Violence. School yard Scuffles are viewed as something heinous. "Step outside and settle this like Gentlemen" can get you both felony charges if the laws show up in time to catch you.

 

Children are suspended from school for making paper napkin Guns.

 

{But on the other hand, there are Violent Video Games and Movies—which I'm not terribly opposed to—I love a good "Shoot-em-up" myself—but there is a very serious mixed signal being sent.}

 

But I wonder if some of the pressure to turn mankind into a bunch of Vegan, Toothless, Violence-Free Rabbit People isn't backfiring and causing meltdown in some of the less stable elements in Society.

 

Even if I were proven 100% right, I wouldn't have a clue what to do about it. Taking the Cap off a Radiator or Pressure Cooker when the contents are superheated is not wise.

 

I do know that life would be absolutely unbearable without my Guns. I would not inflict such a meaningless existence on any other free man any more than I would advocate gouging out his eyes or cutting both his hands off.

 

In our quest for mildness, we impose the ultimate punishment of Gunlessness for some offenses that are very trivial next to the Draconian Punishment.

 

 

Saxon Violence

[Racoon]

I know its not a politically correct thing to say... But so what? Somtimes the Truth hurts.

Those cities you mentioned are all highly Black and Blacks with a bunch guns owned by felons illegally. 13% of the population account for 53% of all the gun murders. You can break that down even further and say Black males aged 16-25 commit more than 1/2 of all gun related murders.

I know, hard stats and crime rates are racist. Racist maybe, realist definitely.

 

The United States doesn't have a Gun problem. It has a Black Gang-Banging, Illegal Gun owning, Murder rate problem in those major metroplitarian areas that skew all the statistics.

 

They want to disarm the majority of Americans who are mostly law-abiding citizens who are only exercising their 2nd ammendment rights for protecting their castles and families. For stuff that a minority perpetrate.

 

Simple as that.

The worst cities have the strictest gun-control laws. They don't work because criminals don't care about the law or future consequences. Chicago and Detroit are perfect examples.

 

You will have a few school shootings. Those are relatively rare, but over-sensationalized. The real problem lay in day to day drug & gang violence.

And the best deterent is to have an armed populace with concealed carry permits.

 

Thats not even bringing into consideration what the U.S.'s Tyranical government thinks it can do once they know people can't really defend themselves.

Edited January 19, 2014 by Racoon

[sanctus]

Racoon, there has to be more. I trust that your statistics are right, no critic there. But why does this set US to number 3?

I mean do you have so many more criminals than the rest of the world (-2 countries)? The statistics says so, then question is more why is US-society such that it produces so many criminals (I assume only a very few "criminals" are "born" into it, most become for circumstances..)? EG. are the possibilities for blacks in these cities so much worse than for non-blacks that this is something pushing more blacks into criminlity? I guess you see were I am wanting to get...

 

Saxon Violence: you say

do know that life would be absolutely unbearable without my Guns. I would not inflict such a meaningless existence on any other free man any more than I would advocate gouging out his eyes or cutting both his hands off.

Are you serious? In case, let me ask you something: did actually ever HAVE to use them? (emphasis on have to). I guess not, so all they gave you til now is a sense of feeling safe, but there was no actual need. I do not see my life as meaningless just because I don't have guns...

Also in the case you had to use, eg. someone broke into your house and you showed your guns to scare them away. Why would the fact of not having guns made your life meaningless? Yeah they would have stolen your new blue-ray DVD player, but so what? The chances of making your life meaningless by owning guns is much bigger: what if you accidentally shot down one of the people breaking in and it turns out they were unarmed (so self-defense is not a valid argument) getting you 10 years of jail? That would make 10years of your life meaningless...