The Venus Project - Should We Replace The Monetary System?

[JoeRoccoCassara]

Wikipedi: The Venus Project

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ip_ElRKNTUQ&feature=youtu.be

 

http://youtu.be/My8XFjkfi8A

 

http://youtu.be/fzirIG55fkE

 

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EewGMBOB4Gg

 

The monetary system will be the death of us, we need a resource-based economy, not a money based economy, that is the future. Jacque Fresco didn't pull a resource-based economy idea out of his butt either, this is a vision a hundred years in the making.

 

Some of you should watch

. Others will think is conspiracy gibberish, they would think anything that "questions" the role of something as "unquestionably" critical and visibly operating within our lives as the monetary system is, would be completely false conspiracy bull-hockey. However, in reality, money is a completely obsolete institution. Believe what you want, it's got to go eventually, and I am going to donate twenty dollars to the Venus Project every week of my working life until it builds the city.

 

New money is created out of thin air, disregarding resources, stealing the value of the preexisting money; therefore, purchasing power goes down. Eventually, production is way up, employment is way down, and purchasing power is practically non-existent. Enter the Gaussian Monetary Bell Curve.

Edited March 18, 2012 by Anti-money

[Qfwfq]

Jacque Fresco didn't pull a resource-based economy idea out of his butt either, this is a vision a hundred years in the making.

A century? No! It is as old as the hills. Thing is that it won't be barter that solves all problems and not even a return to gold backed money.

 

I can't currently watch a 2 hr. video but the first one is not only utopistic, it is even somewhat misinformed and self-inconsistent. On what grounds do they claim that technology would automatically solve all problems, that it is currently hindered by the monetary system and how do they match this with stating that automation causes these problems? The only reason it does is that it benefits who paid for it by reducing the number of workers instead of everybody's working day.

[bravox]

I am going to donate twenty dollars to the Venus Project every week...

Oh the irony :lol:

 

Speaking of ironies, I always thought it was funny that printing money is illegal, unless it's the government doing it. Expanding the monetary base is the less honest form of taxation. When the US expands its monetary base, it's actually taxing not only its own citizens, but also any country holding reserves in US dollars.

 

(strangely enough, most countries like it when their own currency loses value, which makes them poorer. Economics is a complex thing)

Edited March 21, 2012 by bravox

[JoeRoccoCassara]

A century? No! It is as old as the hills. Thing is that it won't be barter that solves all problems and not even a return to gold backed money.

 

I can't currently watch a 2 hr. video but the first one is not only utopistic, it is even somewhat misinformed and self-inconsistent. On what grounds do they claim that technology would automatically solve all problems, that it is currently hindered by the monetary system and how do they match this with stating that automation causes these problems? The only reason it does is that it benefits who paid for it by reducing the number of workers instead of everybody's working day.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhF-dpqe7Jk

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZmoYUa1qFw&feature=related

 

We are chimps in a suit in a world we don’t belong in, and the traditional jobs that ANY HUMAN can do are becoming irrelevant in a world of machines, technology, and artificial intelligence. Due to the monetary system, instead of freeing us, this takes away jobs and increases our servitude to our debt. Technology should be freeing us, and it could, if we abolish the monetary system and replace it with a resource-based economy.

 

Ethnic groups, sexes, whites, blacks, the wealthy, the poor, they are not the problem. The problem is that world is changing, and humans can’t keep up. One percent of all humans control over 40% of the earth’s resources; not by INTENTIONAL design, but because "this crisis is a crisis of consciousness. This crisis cannot anymore accept the old norms, the old patterns, the ancient traditions"(traditional school, money, work, the institutions that control our spending power and therefore bind us.)

 

"Considering what the world is now, with all the misery, conflict, destructive brutality, aggression and so on: man is still as he was, he is still brutal, violent, aggressive, acquisitive, competitive. He has built a society along these lines."

 

Do you know how incredibly important it is to change your way of thinking? "How very important it is to bring about, in the human mind, the radical revolution" of a moneyless world, a world where everyone is one in the same, physically connected to AI, to machine, to the very technology that can stop money and war and death and violence?

 

Transition proposals

 

The proposed way to transition to a resource based economy is as follows:

 

"Phase One — construction of a 25-acre research center in Venus, Florida

Phase Two — produce a full-length feature film to premiere globally

Phase Three — construct an experimental research city (test prototype), including a theme park to show people how the future can be.

 

The Venus project claims that all funds raised go back to developing the project, which provide a viable alternative to the market system, for when the market economy falls their solution will provide. As mentioned by Jacque and Roxanne, it is imperative that a motion picture be made before Jacque dies, so that the vision will be readily and easily accessible and apprehensive into the far future. This would continue the cause into building a research city founded on principles laid out by Jacque, establish through years research, experience and experiment."

 

In early society social Darwinism helped root out the weak and kept them subservient to the higher classes at a crucial, but we have long since out-grown social Darwinism.

Edited March 26, 2012 by The Transhumanist

[Qfwfq]

...man is still as he was, he is still brutal, violent, aggressive, acquisitive, competitive.

That's because it is written in his genes. Change them.

[JoeRoccoCassara]

That's because it is written in his genes. Change them.

 

These cities that Jacque Fresco has proposed would provide everything, from transportation to home entertainment to preventing drunk car crashes with TECHNOLOGICAL DEVICES. The city will be free to mantain once built, as it will either use nano solar panel power, oceanic turbine power, wind turbine power, geothermal energy or a combination to allow for a 100% energy efficient city.

 

The other part of the idea is to remove politicians who replace laws to keep order with technicians who devise technological devices to prevent problems like what happened to Anna Brown to maintain order.

 

Also I would like to explain why it is important to change. This is a quote meant to counter my arguments on another site. The quote is deliberately paradoxical.

 

“how can someone win if winning means that someone loses”-scatman

 

To that I responded;

 

There are plenty of RESOURCES for 100% of the human population, and we currently have the MEANS TO HARNESS those resources with the right kind of civilization. However, currently 1% wins and 99% loses. Going down our current path of increased productivity and decreased profit, the percentage of the rich will continue to get smaller until EVERYONE LOSES.

 

Public schools and colleges are a form of brain training in the students' wanted AND unwanted subjects, regardless of what they want to learn or how they want to learn it. This is in fact a designed process, created by federal powers through policy to enforce life-long cognitive servitude habits in children - the fact that we don't choose what to learn and are trained on how to learn what we know to be irrelevant to society by our logically formed (educated) beliefs is the equivalent of Federal mind control, and everyone one of us are warped from the ground up by the education system. Furthermore, the increased hours spent working in jobs that are ultimately only serving corporate interests is the implementation of congress. The U.S. promotes third world countries and promotes global economic scarcity through embargoes and tariffs, while the United States' extended work year simultaneously takes away the minimum amount of time needed for an individual to be relevantly productive to society in his or her lifetime, and instead only serves the small portion of corporate leaders, whom we are all ultimately employed into slavery by. How is Wall street any different than these "Monarchs of Industry". The work force and the monetary system which exist in all forms of government save a total technocracy (which is the only form of government which has never even been considered in any country) is, by design, a voluntary form of slavery-in which we WILLINGLY AGREE to serve the 1% of humanity that controls almost half of the world's resources. This conspiracy is unlikely intentional but rather the result of a poor societal setup. A lack of understanding has, in fact, led to us being completely close-minded to a total technocracy, which is the only form of societal structure that can actually benefit 100% of the population without the use of the political monetary systems. Technocracy is a form of government in which science would be in control of all decision making. Scientists, engineers and technologists who have knowledge, expertise or skills would compose the governing body, instead of politicians, businessmen and economists. In a technocracy, decision makers would be selected based upon how knowledgeable and skillful they are in their field.

 

Carl Sagan wrote that, "The sky calls to us. If we do not destroy ourselves, we will one day venture to the stars." If that rich 1% turns into half a percent, and when that half a percent takes control of almost all resources, than we would fail to embark on such a meaningful voyage, because without change the destructive conflicts witnessed in WWI and WWII will re-emerge in an extinction event-a nuclear calamity millions of times more destructive than every feeble human conflict in History put together. To the those stars nestled in nebulae, those endlessly massive stellar objects that, in their lifetime, generate endless flames of atom-forging heat, the extinction would literally be a meaningless micro-event on a pale-blue dot.

 

For this reason above all we need to understand scientism, open our minds to the radical revolution, and drive out baseless theologies and irrelevant politics to support the foundation of the first total technocracy; a Utopia with 16 hour work weeks, in a world where-if all energy is accounted for-everyone experiences the benefits of the earth's resources without any unequal distribution among it's population. With a technocracy, we can see a world so free from pointless anxiety and endless monarchical servitude. Only that kind of world will lead to an explosion of intelligence capable of making humans Gods through technological singularities and quantum leaps in civilization seeing us rise into numeric levels of the Kardashev scale in ways we couldn't yet understand.

 

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Edited April 6, 2012 by The Transhumanist

[JoeRoccoCassara]

Problems of Transhumanism: Liberal Democracy vs. Technocratic Absolutism.

 

Edited April 10, 2012 by The Transhumanist

[phillip1882]

though i agree the current monetary system is disgusting in the manner in which it is controlled, and needs to be replaced; i don't think you can remove the idea of money entirely.

price is the determining factor in deciding what can and cannot be done in the marketplace. you can't just remove that without some far reaching consequences.

[JoeRoccoCassara]

I think given the chance you would move here. A tiny self-sustaining nation city to be built by a new wave of thinkers. Those directing the Venus Project will build machines that will self-replicate and methodically construct the round city.

 

The idea is a nation free of politics, cultural, religious and sexual segregation or inequality, and even free of money; with a focus on education and scientific endeavors not at all like the menial work 99% of the human population has conformed to perform as a means of servitude.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uou4DiutW5g&feature=player_embedded

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmnfBBEZCN8&feature=player_embedded

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDJ18m6KUW4&feature=player_embedded

Edited October 25, 2012 by The Transhumanist