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What makes creation so difficult, that one has so much trouble believing it?

 

I read all about the theories that evolution is made of,

I read all about the theory that creation clames to be true.

 

What do you believe is true, and why? and why not the other?

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What makes creation so difficult, that one has so much trouble believing it?
On the contrary, Creationism is *much* easier to believe. That's because all that's asked of you is to just believe it. You do not have to question it. The only source is the Bible and what your preacher says. What's hard about that?

 

On the other hand, Evolution is hard to believe in: you have to think, you have to question, you have to do research, you have to look at the pieces and decide for yourself if its actually the best explanation for everything that you see. Here's just a few things you run into:

 

Age of the Earth:

Creationism: Have a hard time dealing with what 4.5 Billion (with a B) even means? No problem, just listen to your preacher, he'll tell you that its only 6,445 years old and he can show you in the Bible where it shows exactly who was whose great-great-great grandfather and how they were related to Noah. :)

Evolution: How can you tell its 4.5 Billion years old? Listen to your science teacher explain how carbon dating works, how geographic strategraphy works, how the cosmos is 13-odd billion years old, how solar systems form, why there are "great walls" in the distribution of galaxies, etc. etc. etc. :Alien:

 

Evolution of Species:

Creationism: God in his infinite wisdom created each creature whole as it is today, and man is created in God's own image. That's why he cares so much about us and makes sure that people who do bad things to us have bad things happen to them in the end. No need to learn about this, its right there in the Bible and the preacher will tell you about it if you can't get through those thees and thous and begats.

Evolution: You need to learn about protiens and enzymes and DNA and all the forms of life and how the show a continuum of complexity in evolving toward higher forms of life. You need to learn about how the fossil record shows evidence of how this works and how the gaps in the fossil record show both continuity as well as punctuated equillibrium.

 

Social Policy: (okay, its not Creationism, but its relevant)

Creationism: The Bible says what the laws should be (not withstanding the first amendment to the constitution) and the ten commandments should be the law of the land. The Bible says homosexuality is bad so there should be laws against that too. If the Bible is unclear, the preacher will clear it up for you. Vote Republican.

Evolution: What is the nature of right and wrong? What should we do if a good man like Billy Budd kills another man by accident? What should we do about homosexuals? Are they different than other minorities? What rights should they have? Should abortion be illegal? Should contraceptives be illegal? Should auto-eroticism be illegal? All prevent procreation which many people think is immoral. If someone has been in a persistent vegitative state for 15 years, but never signed a living will, should they be allowed to die as requested by their closest relative or should the state force those individuals to vegetate forever with life support?

 

I'd say its MUCH harder to come to the conclusion that Evolution is more correct than Creationism. It demands that you think. In my travels I've found people do care, they're mostly basically good, are compassionate of their fellow man (although its easier to like your neighbors than the faceless people in the other valley who may threaten your existence because they're different and you're competing for resources) they're smarter than they think they are. But they're mostly just trying to stay alive, put food on the table, and it would be really nice to think that this hard stuff was something that 1) someone else would just take care of and 2) that someone else would come back with the good news that its really all just fine as long as you agree with them and do what they say.

 

What's most difficult of all with all the polarization created by the religious extremists who insist that anyone who does not agree with them are "godless humanists" and their all going to hell after Armageddon, is to believe in God AND subscribe to Evolution.

 

Cheers,

Buffy

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Evolution is a recent phenomenon and has come out of (relative) reasoning with respect to exiting parameters of life in the present,whereas creationism has arisen denovo out of (imaginative/ relative) reasoning with respect to the exisitng parameters of life in the past specific to it's own standards.

For example there were no Newtons laws or QED in DC(during christ),so there was no need to explain how Jesus was resurrected or how the blood turned into wine or for that matter any miracle in any religion.Over a period of time we reasoned out and started manifesting those reasons into our own creations and started believing them by the proof of their function.If some of our creations (say a cellphone or an airplane) worked,it meant we have evolved a little better.

But our reason cannot explain everything and that supreme domain has it's own definition in the form of god or whatever.

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On the contrary, Creationism is *much* easier to believe. That's because all that's asked of you is to just believe it. You do not have to question it. The only source is the Bible and what your preacher says. What's hard about that?
I disagree (what?). If you learned science first and then someone introduced you to Creationism, you would have to be nuts to believe it. For one thing, evolution is intersubjectively verifyable, which means no matter what culture you are from, where you are, or when, it is still evident and the story is the same. Second, Creationism would seem right away to be very fanciful, with the talking snakes, the ark full of animals, etc...
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I disagree (what?). If you learned science first and then someone introduced you to Creationism, you would have to be nuts to believe it.
I mostly agree with you, its just that 1) kids are getting indoctrinated at a much younger age now (there's a Christian "Kidz Bop" CD that's being pitched these days that gets my daughter's eyes rolling in disgust: "thanks for not doing *that* to me mom!") and 2) so many people sleep through science (and math :Alien: ) class because they don't think its relevant to them. Unless you have done the thinking up front, its easier to go with the "not have to think" path...

 

Cheers,

Buffy

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What makes creation so difficult, that one has so much trouble believing it?

 

I read all about the theories that evolution is made of,

I read all about the theory that creation clames to be true.

 

What do you believe is true, and why? and why not the other?

It's probably our training in scientific way of thinking that allows me to dismiss creationism as pure crap.

Evolution is a theroy with plenty of evidence to support it. creationism has none.

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On the contrary, Creationism is *much* easier to believe....
I have to admit I get a little weary of this straw-man argument model. I have been a Christian for a long time, I have had hundreds of evangelical friends over the years, and I don't think I have ever met a Creationist as you decribe.

 

Among folks that are academically trained, those folks that are theists do not assume that the earth is 4000 year old, or that the flood put fossils into place, or any of the other false-association arguments. Theists believe that God made man special and gave him some capability for free will. After that, there is quite a range of opinion, just like among evolutionists.

 

To suggest that Creationism is the only alternative to the widely accepted set of evolution-related theories is untrue. This would be like saying that evolution is impossible because science has shown that fins cannot evolve into legs by fish climbing onto land. Some folks stilll think that happened. But no one (informed) has thought that in over a hundred years. It can no longer be used as an argument against evolution.

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On the contrary, Creationism is *much* easier to believe. That's because all that's asked of you is to just believe it. You do not have to question it. The only source is the Bible and what your preacher says. What's hard about that?

That's what makes it hard for me to believe. I have questioned everything as far back as I can remember. I really don't understand how so many can believe in creationism with no credible proof that I know of other than faith.

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....this would be like saying that evolution is impossible because science has shown that fins cannot evolve into legs by fish climbing onto land. Some folks stilll think that happened. But no one (informed) has thought that in over a hundred years. It can no longer be used as an argument against evolution.

 

Excellent post, Bio.

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I have to admit I get a little weary of this straw-man argument model. I have been a Christian for a long time, I have had hundreds of evangelical friends over the years, and I don't think I have ever met a Creationist as you decribe....Among folks that are academically trained, those folks that are theists do not assume that the earth is 4000 year old, or that the flood put fossils into place, or any of the other false-association arguments.
I described some extremes, but I have met many Creationists who consider any opinion other than literal interpretation of Genesis to be apostate and reason not to be Raptured. They are not the majority of "theists" by any means, but they are by far the most vocal, and most damaging in trying to find useful agreement on what should be done in terms of trying to teach Creationism as a part of the science curriculum.
Theists believe that God made man special and gave him some capability for free will. After that, there is quite a range of opinion, just like among evolutionists.
Actually among theists, including members of mainstream sects, there is NOT agreement on these points! That was the main thrust of my arguments here and the other active thread on this topic: you can believe in God and believe in Evolution and believe that we *don't* have a "special place" in the universe (by the way, that's a key part of the Aliens Poll I put up a few days ago, and no one has yet voted for a "special position" in the universe for humans). What *I* get tired of is people who hurl epithets like "godless humanist" at anyone who says they believe in Evolution or that the law of the land shouldn't be the Ten Commandments. You can believe these things and still believe in God, although its amusing how many religions would excommunicate you and worse for it.
To suggest that Creationism is the only alternative to the widely accepted set of evolution-related theories is untrue....
I'd agree. The question was specific to Creationism, and there are discussions in other threads about ID. The thing I love about ID is that in spite of the fact that the strict interpretation folks are pushing it heavily, it in fact it almost completely undermines Creationism because it does not use the Bible and cannot address the 6400-year old earth and other things that Creationists insist on. But that's a discussion for the other threads.

 

I think we're actually agreeing here, although from different ends of the spectrum!

 

Cheers,

Buffy

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What's most difficult of all..... is to believe in God AND subscribe to Evolution.
Not really that difficult at all, actually.
You quoted me out of context. To clarify, the thing that makes it difficult is that you will be attacked unmercifully for it by the extremists. I know lots of people who do believe in both God and subscribe to Evolution, and they go to Church, Temple, Mosque regularly, and yet they are told they can't be religious if "they believe in that stuff." If you're looking for reasons that there's a "breakdown in society" I trace it directly to that "us versus them" polarization that is making human discourse, interaction and compromise impossible. Feh!

 

Cheers,

Buffy

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Ah. I apologize, I misunderstood. :Alien:

 

I agree with you wholeheartedly, as I've experienced the effects of that polarization myself. While it's unfortunate and probably somewhat inevitable, one must always remember that most (although not all) of those folks are doing it out of real (although misplaced) concern- for your salvation, presumably. Makes it much easier to bear, when you think about it like that.

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one must always remember that most (although not all) of those folks are doing it out of real (although misplaced) concern- for your salvation, presumably. Makes it much easier to bear, when you think about it like that.

 

Like the crusades, kill the man to save his soul.

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