Ganoderma Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 is proving their existence, or lack of, really any more possible or sure than proving god? why are so many cultures drawing similar drawings of a "dragon"? same reason so many cultures drew up pictures of spirits or any other number of wondrous beings thought by some to be real. i tend to side on the myth side of things and agree certain things like their wings, tails etc woudlnt make sense. but one cannot without doubt rule out the possibility. maybe they were one step on the path fo evolution that failed because of the things we are saying *cant* happen. cannot, impossible, didn't happen are are very dangerous words and are little more than educated guess and assumptions :eek: the thing i love about the phantasticus is the inability for anyone or any science to truly prove or disprove them beyond reasonable doubt. it shouldn't happen, it cant happen because we have never seen it before, but what have we seen? everything, a little? what if? the attraction of life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nevaeh.aaric Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 I have always wanted to see a komoto dragon. How big do they get? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moontanman Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 I have always wanted to see a komoto dragon. How big do they get? Try this article Komodo dragon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAHD Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 YouTube - House Hippo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBfi8OEz0rA Get it? JMJones0424 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HydrogenBond Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 The dragon is a symbol of primal instincts. In tradition, dragons are hermaphrodites. This bi-sexual representation does not mean the dragon literally had male and female sex organs, but rather the dragon represents primal urges common to both male and female, that are independent of sex. For example, the urge to procreate is within males and female. The role of each is different. The dragon symbolizes that common urge before this urge separates into two, which then becomes one. If you saw the movie Avatar, that movie makes use of dragon symbolism, in ways that are part of eastern tradition. In Kundulini yoga, there are seven energy centers. I am just talking about the symbolism and what one is suppose to visualized in this yoga. The base center, from which the chi flows upwards, to feed the differentiation of the other six centers is represented by a serpent or dragon, coiled 3.5 times like the DNA around packing proteins. Maybe the chi was connected to the DNA. The base energy center, or dragon, is located at the little tail bone humans have at the base of the spine. It is not coincidence that Avatar connects to his personal flying dragon, using his tail, which is traditionally associated with the source of his chi or primal energy. This base connection is also how they hook up with the integration of nature in their world. Nature is morally neutral, symbolizing the balance of regeneration and death before separation into good and evil. This is also the dragon symbol. The red dragon Avatar hooks up with in end of the movie, may have been chosen as being red because dragons are often associated with fire; instinct. Without knowing about all this, it can still have an effect on the human soul, with the artists trying to show primal instinct before civilization moved in, and tried to take it away. In the movie, the primal instinct wins, with the crippled man becoming whole, etc. The legs touch the earth and symbolized instincts which become whole via a transformation by nature with the primal instinct. So when the ancients spoke of a dragon, it was more than a flying lizard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moontanman Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 The dragon is a symbol of primal instincts. In tradition, dragons are hermaphrodites. This bi-sexual representation does not mean the dragon literally had male and female sex organs, but rather the dragon represents primal urges common to both male and female, that are independent of sex. For example, the urge to procreate is within males and female. The role of each is different. The dragon symbolizes that common urge before this urge separates into two, which then becomes one. HB, do you have anything what so ever to back up this assertion? If you saw the movie Avatar, that movie makes use of dragon symbolism, in ways that are part of eastern tradition. In Kundulini yoga, there are seven energy centers. I am just talking about the symbolism and what one is suppose to visualized in this yoga. The base center, from which the chi flows upwards, to feed the differentiation of the other six centers is represented by a serpent or dragon, coiled 3.5 times like the DNA around packing proteins. Maybe the chi was connected to the DNA. The flying creatures in Avatar were only similar to dragon in that they were vaguely reptilian and they flew and what does any of this have to do with chi or yoga? The base energy center, or dragon, is located at the little tail bone humans have at the base of the spine. It is not coincidence that Avatar connects to his personal flying dragon, using his tail, which is traditionally associated with the source of his chi or primal energy. This base connection is also how they hook up with the integration of nature in their world. Nature is morally neutral, symbolizing the balance of regeneration and death before separation into good and evil. This is also the dragon symbol. The red dragon Avatar hooks up with in end of the movie, may have been chosen as being red because dragons are often associated with fire; instinct. HB, did you actually see the movie? The people did not use their tails to hook up with anything. So the rest of your contention seems to fall apart. Without knowing about all this, it can still have an effect on the human soul, with the artists trying to show primal instinct before civilization moved in, and tried to take it away. In the movie, the primal instinct wins, with the crippled man becoming whole, etc. The legs touch the earth and symbolized instincts which become whole via a transformation by nature with the primal instinct. So when the ancients spoke of a dragon, it was more than a flying lizard. I am not sure we saw the same movie HB, dragons were far more than flying lizards, I will admit that every one sees things differently but your symbolism doesn't hold up, many saw other things, i know the pagans saw their own religion reflected in the movie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maikeru Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 The dragon is a symbol of primal instincts. In tradition, dragons are hermaphrodites. This bi-sexual representation does not mean the dragon literally had male and female sex organs, but rather the dragon represents primal urges common to both male and female, that are independent of sex. For example, the urge to procreate is within males and female. The role of each is different. The dragon symbolizes that common urge before this urge separates into two, which then becomes one. If you saw the movie Avatar, that movie makes use of dragon symbolism, in ways that are part of eastern tradition. In Kundulini yoga, there are seven energy centers. I am just talking about the symbolism and what one is suppose to visualized in this yoga. The base center, from which the chi flows upwards, to feed the differentiation of the other six centers is represented by a serpent or dragon, coiled 3.5 times like the DNA around packing proteins. Maybe the chi was connected to the DNA. The base energy center, or dragon, is located at the little tail bone humans have at the base of the spine. It is not coincidence that Avatar connects to his personal flying dragon, using his tail, which is traditionally associated with the source of his chi or primal energy. This base connection is also how they hook up with the integration of nature in their world. Nature is morally neutral, symbolizing the balance of regeneration and death before separation into good and evil. This is also the dragon symbol. The red dragon Avatar hooks up with in end of the movie, may have been chosen as being red because dragons are often associated with fire; instinct. Without knowing about all this, it can still have an effect on the human soul, with the artists trying to show primal instinct before civilization moved in, and tried to take it away. In the movie, the primal instinct wins, with the crippled man becoming whole, etc. The legs touch the earth and symbolized instincts which become whole via a transformation by nature with the primal instinct. So when the ancients spoke of a dragon, it was more than a flying lizard. What dragons represent symbolically depends on time, place, culture, religion, vision, etc. I don't recall any that specifically need Kundalini yoga. The worm ouroborus, the serpent eternal, youth immortal, The Deceiver, manipulator, mother of chaos, healer, destroyer, sinner, saviour, jealousy, lust, and greed, the unenlightened wild mind, the civilized and enlightened mind, the protector of secrets and spirits, the swallower of the Sun, the bringer of Night, the rot in the root of the Tree, the crack of thunder, the crash of the river, the whisper of the wind, the pitter-patter of rain, and the incomprehensible immensity of ocean and time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HydrogenBond Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 The symbol of the dragon has a wide range of meanings, depending on the culture. In asian culture the dragon is often associated with water instead of fire. The symbols for our time are expressed in the mythology of the movies. One of the chronologically closest uses of the dragon symbolism, is associated with the precursors of modern chemistry; middle age alchemy. They symbolized the dragon as the mercurial dragon or quicksilver. Like elementary mercury, it was considered toxic and not easy to contain when let out. To contain quicksilver, one had to combine it with things like sulfur, to make mercury sulfide which is one of the most insoluble compounds in nature. Sulfur was often associated with the fires of hell and/or the stink from the fires. This is sort of how the church would see instinct. But the dragon also symbolized fertility and regeneration; one could break mercury apart and it could reassemble. But if you added heat (passion/rage etc) the mercurial dragon could vaporize and appear over there (condense or materialize elsewhere). In alchemy, the tail of the mercurial dragon was analogous to the devil, while the mouth of the dragon was symbolized by Christ. This duality implied it was morally neutral, as a whole, if we add the sum of the two effects; primal instinct. The ouroborus, in alchemy, was often portrayed as the dragon eating it own tail, until it finally consumes itself. Or the primal darkness was being consumed by the primal good until they cancel. When the age of science appears, this is not based on primal instinct, the duality of male and female or the polarization of morality. It was objective. Since primal instinct is morally neutral, procreation using primal instinct is purely result orientated, which is conception. If morality was of no concern, rape can work as good as anything else to make a baby. The mouth of the mercurial dragon would imply the same urge to end result, but restricted in a positive moral way (relationship/marriage) slowly consuming the darker primal means; tail. When the ouroborus disappears, primal instinct was sealed; barrier in the unconscious. Science objectivity was not far away, at least in the minds of the founding fathers. Nowadays, it is more of conscious choice that is more a product of the mind, instead of deep primal instinctive impulse. In modern times, for example, we create many fads connected to sex, dating and reproduction. They all begin by learning and don't have to emanate from primal instinct. The lack of primal instinct is why all these fads are needed and why they are so popular. They are rituals that attempt to induce the primal instinct, but most wear out after a few uses. But this is because primal instinct was sealed; semi-permeable unconscious barrier. There are places in the mind that neither science or the church will lend support and will reject; for good reason. In ancient times, the dragon was approached differently. At that time, primal instinct was not sealed, so one would learn to make the best of it. In some cultures the dragon is not a fearful animal but something more positive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeztar Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 This is the Biology forum. The current discussion is off topic. Please constrain discussion to the thread title and Biology. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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