It's simply evidence that in many states it's easy for psychologically unbalanced people to easily obtain them.
Not concealed carry permits, not in my state....
Amazingly enough, me having a concealed carry permit does not really make me any safer around these folks. The more of them that are carrying guns around, the less safe it is no matter how many sane people have them.
Your opinion, nothing more.
I know you don't see it. You need to maybe think about the fact that it's emotion rather than logic that is leading you to your conclusions.
If anything this is the pot calling the kettle black.
In this case there are several key points:
- Because concealed carry permits are hard to get here, no one had a gun. Since no one had a gun, no one was foolish enough to challenge the perpetrators. Not foolishly challenging the perpetrators meant that they did not shoot. Gun fire not breaking out meant that no one died.
- And all this in spite of the fact that because there are many locals who don't bother with concealed carry permits meant that the argued affect that "when criminals know that people are unarmed, they're more likely to commit crime" didn't hold here at all. It's proof that having lots of people armed--legally or not--doesn't minimize crime.
- Even a highly trained police officer would not have challenged the gunmen in this situation, so even had one been there, it would have played out the same way. Indeed the police are trained not to provoke in situations like this, yet loose concealed carry laws would ensure that such situations escalate more often, resulting in more deaths.
I guess it never occurred to you that people who get concealed carry permits go through more training than just how to shoot straight? Pulling a hand gun on several people with mac10's would be insane. i wouldn't do it no one in their right mind would either.
The primary argument for concealed carry laws really comes down to one of "not trusting the police." In situations where the permittee is a well recognized target, there's a good excuse to let them defend themselves, but when this goes to "anyone should be able to carry a gun for any reason" is simply saying everyone should be able to use deadly force whenever they feel like it.
No it comes down to realizing the police cannot be every where quickly enough to prevent or even respond to many crimes. And no people who have concealed carry permits do not think they can weld deadly force any time they like. where do you get this stuff? Movies?
Sure you can charge someone after the fact for improperly using deadly force when they should not, but by then a bunch of people may be dead.
A great many times the people will be dead anyway, I would rather count on sane citizens to weld deadly force with reason than i would a bunch of criminals. Just because in this case it turned out ok is not reason to trust criminals with your life or with the power of life and death. in many cases the criminals kill everyone to make sure no wittinesses are left behind.
When even highly trained police officers go through their entire careers not having to use deadly force, willy nilly allowing anyone to potentially do so is, in my view, highly irresponsible, and subjects innocent people to much more danger than they would in a so called "disarmed society."
Very few people who conceal carry ever pull their weapons either, when society is disarmed i will give up my guns. until then I want the option of self defense.
We have decided as a society that it is safer if we restrict policing powers to trained police. While this may mean that you as an individual feel more threatened with bodily harm because you do not have police powers to exercise yourself, the statistics that have driven this compromise to restricted police power clearly show that they result in less bodily injury on average.
Who is this we you claim to be a part of? The majority of States say different, the majority of states feel the power of self defense is part of the power people should have. I feel much safer knowing my fellow citizens can defend themselves from criminals. I see no reason what so ever to believe i am safer unarmed than armed.
It is ironic of course that conservatives who demand unrestricted second amendment rights for individuals on the one hand, demand a Communitarian approach to just about every other aspect of society and civil rights....
Don't label me, you do not know me or know my politics or the politics of the people who conceal carry, we are just as different as any other random group of people, it is totally unreasonable to assume i am Conservative or Liberal in any other aspect of my life.
Uh huh. Okay, I guess we can take your word for that. Probably never happened anywhere. Ever.
I am quite certain such things happen just like it is possible a group of criminals was conscientious enough to ensure they didn't hurt any of their victums....
At least not among women....
Yeah, women never loose thier heads....
Again this thread is not a debate about concealed carry laws but a debate on whether the government should make a law about carrying gun int a restaurant or bar. concealed carry is already a fact....