# Antipsychotics / Neuroleptics For Mental Disorders - Comments

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### #35 ntuc

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 03:20 PM

Follow-up :

Well, as to the neurological and neuro-degenerative disorders of Extrapyramidal Symptoms (EPS) as mentioned in the previous post above, please refer to the follows for further in-depth details:

http://en.wikipedia....mine_antagonist (Dopamine antagonist)

http://en.wikipedia....amidal_symptoms (Extrapyramidal Symptoms)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akathisia (Akathisia)

http://en.wikipedia....dive_dyskinesia (Tardive Dyskinesia)

http://en.wikipedia....ignant_syndrome (Neuroleptic Malignant Syndrome)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dystonia (Dystonia)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akinesia (Akinesia)

http://en.wikipedia....udoparkinsonism (Parkinsonism)

As such given the serious neurological and neuro-degenerative complications inherent in these antipsychotics / neuroleptics (whilst one of their invariably inevitable medication effects would be such as the one mentioned by Kriminal99, saying “Before it was turning them into a zombie by cutting out part of their brain, now it is giving them drugs that do the same thing”, and so, should careful discretions & considerations be exercised at all in terms of determining the intakes of such powerful mind-altering drugs which are of dopamine antagonist nature especially when it comes to deciding the issues of dosages, how long they should be taken before their dosages can be progressively reduced & finally stopped ,and such question as to whether the intakes of such medications are necessary at all based on respectively individual different cases & scenarios ?

Whilst as mentioned by Kriminal99 who said that “and single cases like that are used as justification to drug lots of people who aren't really dangerous.", and as such, getting all these lots of "people who aren't really dangerous" forcibly drugged by the related “medical personnel" totally peremptorily, indiscriminately and totally thoughtlessly without even considering the necessities of doing so at all, and in all cases & scenarios, simply do not even have the slightest knowledge about the potentially disastrous and all the irreversibly neurological & neuro-degenerative side effects carried by these dopamine antagonists medications as mentioned above, which nevertheless is simply the very prevailingly unquestioned trend nowadays, well, is such a "practice" really can be deemed as something that is appropriate, rational and reasonable & morally right thing to do ? So, what says you ?

And the key point remains that, for all the related “practices” of deliberately causing unnecessary grievous bodily harms by deliberately inflicting all these life threatening dire and deadly neurological, neuromuscular & neurodegenerative disorders (Extrapyramidal system - http://en.wikipedia....yramidal_system / Extrapyramidal symptoms - http://en.wikipedia....amidal_symptoms) onto such so-called "people who aren't really dangerous", or maybe in certain unknown cases, onto other fully normal / healthy people, etc. well then, the question is such that, reasonably & objectively, would anyone with even the slightest human conscience who are fully aware of what’s going on, well, will they actually deem and consider that any of such acts are actually conforming to the very basic, fundamental & underlying moral principles of humanity and humanitarianism that define our 21st century highly-civilized modern-day human-being community, or rather, will such acts be actually seen as befitting that of civilized human beings (with human conscience) at all especially in the very eyes of the benevolent & humane ones ?

Edited by ntuc, 04 July 2013 - 10:41 AM.

### #36 ntuc

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 05:06 AM

Follow-up : Extrapyramidal Symptoms (EPS)

As such given the serious neurological and neuro-degenerative complications inherent in these antipsychotics / neuroleptics (whilst one of their invariably inevitable medication effects would be such as the one mentioned by Kriminal99, saying “Before it was turning them into a zombie by cutting out part of their brain, now it is giving them drugs that do the same thing”, and so, should careful discretions & considerations be exercised at all in terms of determining the intakes of such powerful mind-altering drugs which are of dopamine antagonist nature especially when it comes to deciding the issues of dosages, how long they should be taken before their dosages can be progressively reduced & finally stopped ,and such question as to whether the intakes of such medications are necessary at all based on respectively individual different cases & scenarios ?

In regard to the quotation above, please refer to the excerpts below:

Akathisia

Akathisia is closely related to dyskinesia. Akathisia is an extreme form of internal or external restlessness. It may be a complete inability to sit still, with an undeniable urge to be moving constantly. Or it may be an entirely inner feeling of jitteriness or shakiness. Akathisia can be exhausting and debilitating. In fact, severe akathisia may put an individual at risk for suicide, simply because it can be so unbearable.
Tardive akathisia refers to akathisia that occurs after long-term medication use, and may become permanent.

Dystonia

Dystonia is a muscle tension disorder involving very strong muscle contractions. These uncontrollable muscle contractions can cause unusual twisting of parts of the body, especially the neck. The condition can be extremely painful and can affect any part of the body, including the eyes. If it appears after several years of medication use, it is called "tardive dystonia," and may become permanent.

Other Extrapyramidal Symptoms
There are many more kinds of extrapyramidal symptoms. Sometimes, they resemble Parkinson's disease, with shuffling-type walking and unusual hand or finger movements. This is called "parkinsonism." Sometimes, the symptoms affect a person's ability to speak or may cause vocal tics (uncontrollable speech or other vocal sounds).

Dealing With Extrapyramidal Symptoms
It is important to know that there is help for extrapyramidal symptoms. Symptoms that appear early in treatment can be especially easy to deal with. Simply switching medications or adding a medication such as benztropine (Cogentin®) can be helpful. Since extrapyramidal symptoms can be distressing, it is important to let your healthcare provider know right away if you experience any of them.
Tardive symptoms (which appear late in treatment) may be relieved by stopping the antipsychotic medication or by adding medications to control the symptoms, although sometimes they become permanent. The best way to prevent them from becoming permanent is to let your healthcare provider know right away if you develop them.

Which are quoted from: http://schizophrenia...ymptoms-p2.html

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Treatment of Extrapyramidal symptoms:
•The treatment for extrapyramidal symptoms include lowering the dosage of the causative agent consumed by the person and also by using an alternative medication.
as quoted from : http://www.symptomwi...amidal-symptoms

Whilst as mentioned by Kriminal99 who said that “and single cases like that are used as justification to drug lots of people who aren't really dangerous.", and as such, getting all these lots of "people who aren't really dangerous" forcibly drugged by the related “medical personnel" totally peremptorily, indiscriminately and totally thoughtlessly without even considering the necessities of doing so at all, and in all cases & scenarios, simply do not even have the slightest knowledge about the potentially disastrous and all the irreversibly neurological & neuro-degenerative side effects carried by these dopamine antagonists medications as mentioned above, which nevertheless is simply the very prevailingly unquestioned trend nowadays, well, is such a "practice" really can be deemed as something that is appropriate, rational and reasonable & morally right thing to do ? So, what says you ?

Next, about the other quotation above, please refer to the second excerpts as shown below:

Extrapyramidal symptoms (EPSs), such as akathisia, dystonia, psuedoparkinsonism, and dyskinesia, are drug-induced side effects that can be problematic for persons who receive antipsychotic medications (APMs) or other dopamine-blocking agents. The clinical manifestations include a number of atypical involuntary muscle contractions that influence gait, movement, and posture. The symptoms can develop acutely, be delayed, or overlap making diagnosing a challenge. Preventive interventions include selective prescribing of APMs, close monitoring of uncharacteristic movements through the use of screening instruments, prompt management of symptoms, and thorough client education. Nurse practitioners who do not practice in psychiatric mental health nursing on a regular basis or who infrequently prescribe psychotropic medications must be cautious with these potential life-threatening symptoms.

which is in turn quoted from : http://www.medscape....warticle/561665

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### #37 ntuc

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 01:24 AM

Akathisia

Akathisia is closely related to dyskinesia. Akathisia is an extreme form of internal or external restlessness. It may be a complete inability to sit still, with an undeniable urge to be moving constantly. Or it may be an entirely inner feeling of jitteriness or shakiness. Akathisia can be exhausting and debilitating. In fact, severe akathisia may put an individual at risk for suicide, simply because it can be so unbearable.
Tardive akathisia refers to akathisia that occurs after long-term medication use, and may become permanent.

Dystonia

Dystonia is a muscle tension disorder involving very strong muscle contractions. These uncontrollable muscle contractions can cause unusual twisting of parts of the body, especially the neck. The condition can be extremely painful and can affect any part of the body, including the eyes. If it appears after several years of medication use, it is called "tardive dystonia," and may become permanent.

Extrapyramidal symptoms (EPSs), such as akathisia, dystonia, psuedoparkinsonism, and dyskinesia, are drug-induced side effects that can be problematic for persons who receive antipsychotic medications (APMs) or other dopamine-blocking agents. The clinical manifestations include a number of atypical involuntary muscle contractions that influence gait, movement, and posture. The symptoms can develop acutely, be delayed, or overlap making diagnosing a challenge. Preventive interventions include selective prescribing of APMs, close monitoring of uncharacteristic movements through the use of screening instruments, prompt management of symptoms, and thorough client education. Nurse practitioners who do not practice in psychiatric mental health nursing on a regular basis or who infrequently prescribe psychotropic medications must be cautious with these potential life-threatening symptoms.

which is in turn quoted from : http://www.medscape....warticle/561665

Follow-up: Medicational Antipsychotics / neuroleptics-caused Extrapyramidal Symptoms (EPS)

In regard to the quotations above : Please refer to the Excerpts below :

Neuroleptic-Induced Extrapyramidal Symptoms

This page was last updated on April 14, 2012

Acute Dystonia

Parkinsonism

Akathisia

Tardive Dyskinesia

Neuroleptic Malignant Syndrome

Acute Dystonia
•"Long-lasting contraction or spasm of musculature develops secondary to the use of antipsychotic medication.
•Acute dystonia typically subsides spontaneously within hours after onset.

Common Dystonias

•Torticollis (lateral neck rotation)
•Retrocollis (neck extension)
•Limb torsion
•Forced jaw closing (trismus) or opening
•Tongue protrusion
•Opisthotonus (extension of head, neck, and paraspinal muscles in an arch)
•Oculogyric crisis (forceful eye deviation
)……as quoted from: http://nursingplanet...l_symptoms.html -

Psychopharmacology Reviews

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The extrapyramidal motor system is a neural network located in the brain that is involved in the coordination of movement. Extrapyramidal symptoms therefore are symptoms that manifest themselves in various movement disorders.
Extrapyramidal symptoms, often known as EPS is a neurological side effect of antipsychotic medication, also known as major tranquilizers. Antipsychotics are used to control psychoses such as schizophrenia but can also be used to treat behavioral disturbances associated with Alzheimer's disease.
Antipsychotic medications include chlorpromazine (Thorazine), thioridazine (Melleril) and haloperidol (Haldol).
Extrapyramidal symptoms can begin within a few hours, days or weeks or even years after commencing treatment with an antipsychotic medication.
Extrapyramidal symptoms are most common with the older conventional antipsychotics medications such as chlorpromazine (Thorazine), thioridazine (Melleril), haloperidol (Haldol). Symptoms of Extrapyramidal side effects
Common signs and symptoms include
• involuntary movements
• Tremors and rigidity
• Body restlessness
• Muscle contractions
• Mask like face
• Involuntary movement of the eye called oculogyric crisis.
• Drooling
• Shuffling gait
• Increased heart rate
• Delirium
Symptoms can be very distressing and frightening.
as quoted from : http://alzheimers.ab...rapyramidal.htm (Extrapyramidal symptoms (EPS) and Alzheimer's disease)

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http://www.psychvisi...E.html#dystonia

http://www.wisegeek....al-symptoms.htm

### #38 LaurieAG

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 02:31 AM

I quite agree with you to a certain extent. Nevertheless, one should always bear in mind that such Dopamine antagonist medications at the very same time also carry such undesirable and yet almost fully unavoidable disastrous side effects of Extrapyramidal symptoms (EPS - http://en.wikipedia....amidal_symptoms ) that include such serious neurological and neuro-degenerative disorders like akathisia, tardive dyskinesia, neuroleptic malignant syndrome, dystonia, akinesia and in the worst case scenario, parkinsonism, which might manifest disastrously and yet irreversibly onto anyone taking them particularly when these drugs are overly relied upon to the point of sheer abuse or maybe 'getting forced to be taken unnecessarily over the long-term" such as what you have mentioned as "and single cases like that are used as justification to drug lots of people who aren't really dangerous.", and well, obviously that's simply how the "law of the jungle" really works in reality, and the related question that arises is such that such scenario and the related issues such as the ones explained and elaborated in my prior posts above can really be fully tolerated, acquiesced and condoned at all on both humanity and humanitarian grounds ? Whilst the "law of the jungle" actually prevails overwhelmingly over any moral principles, underlying basic concepts of human conscience, humanity and humanitarianism nowdays ? So, what says you ?

Hi ntuc,

Here's an example that puts things into context with regards to the "law of the jungle" nowdays in Australia.

http://www.abc.net.a...defence/4650300

A senior member of the RSL is concerned about the way the Department of Defence treats post traumatic stress in soldiers who've returned from combat. Last night ABC TV's Lateline program revealed serving members of the Army were being given large doses of an anti-psychotic drug to help them sleep. The use of the drug has skyrocketed among soldiers, with Defence confirming an almost 600 per cent increase over five years.

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 05:31 AM

A senior member of the RSL is concerned about the way the Department of Defence treats post traumatic stress in soldiers who've returned from combat. Last night ABC TV's Lateline program revealed serving members of the Army were being given large doses of an anti-psychotic drug to help them sleep. The use of the drug has skyrocketed among soldiers, with Defence confirming an almost 600 per cent increase over five years.

Well, when you’ve mentioned about “serving members of the Army were being given large doses of an anti-psychotic drug to help them sleep. The use of the drug has skyrocketed among soldiers, with Defence confirming an almost 600 per cent increase over five years.” I believe that it would just give any persons a direct impression or rather an inductive reasoning that given that the consistently & totally uninterrupted & fully-ensured tiptop conditions of military performances of the serving members of any armies are always of crucial and primary importance to any countries closely from time to time on a day-to-day basis, particularly when it comes to the utmost important issue of national defence, which is actually a key pillar to any nations, thus anyone would reasonably, if not, probably deduce that most probably that had had been decided or done simply as a last resort for the sake of far greater good, of which in this case, the national defence, which is simply indispensable for the sakes of both national and public securities for any countries.

Here's an example that puts things into context with regards to the "law of the jungle" nowdays in Australia.

Oh well, as to your comment above, very sorry, I could hardly agree with you under such background, scenario and context, whilst in this case, the army & national defence. And that’s based on the very fact that if anyone actually chooses to serve in the army, especially on a long-term basis, their mindsets maybe such that they are probably ready to make sacrifices (such as laying down their lives in the combats for their countries that they are allegiant to etc.) and go along with anything anytime for their beloved countries for the sake of national defence and securities, so, not to mention taking medications to help them to sleep.

Next, judging from that news coverage mentioning “with Defence confirming an almost 600 per cent increase over five years.”
, I believe that it would give anyone another impression and inductive reasoning that the related army maybe has realized the unhealthy consequences of the related issue and maybe is trying to address itself to this matter, or else, that would have just simply gone totally unreported and remained concealed, maybe indefinitely.

Whilst as to the particular bulletin shown as attached thumbnail in your post, oh well, if the related health cares and concerns actually cover, include and extend to these soldiers having the related problems, then obviously the related Nation and State are at least doing something to take good care of their interests, welfare, health cares and well-beings.

In short, army lives which inseparably come along with national commitments and military services which are directly linked to national and public securities are simply poles apart and totally different from the normal civil lives of average civilians, and hence, my opinion is such that your personal comment about "law of the jungle" in such a context, circumstances and scenario is simply hardly substantiated, tenable and definitely, reasonably and objectively not agreeable at all by most people.

Lastly, oh well, given the very fact that the intakes of such antipsychotics, particularly on long-term basis, would inevitably and ultimately have their side effects manifested onto the ones taking them in such a pattern, then, naturally and reasonably anyone would believe that the most practical issue in this case would be to try to take earlier preventive cautions and resolving steps to settle such problem.

Edited by ntuc, 31 July 2013 - 01:00 PM.

### #40 LaurieAG

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 07:04 AM

Hi ntuc,

Lastly, oh well, given the very fact that the intakes of such antipsychotics, particularly on long-term basis, would inevitably and ultimately have their side effects manifested onto the ones taking them in such a pattern, then, naturally and reasonably anyone would believe that the most practical issue in this case would be to try to take earlier preventive cautions and resolving steps to settle such problem.

That was one of the main points in the text of the first article, why spend $150 million on celebrations where politicians get to plaster their faces over the media when they do not spend the money our own people with PTSD and prefer to have them drooling and staring at walls instead of receiving proper counselling. The people with mental issues in the first instance were those who harboured delusions about weapons of mass destruction and fantasies about the wrong countries that caused the death of many innocents. Our brave servicemen were mere pawns of the people with the real mental problems and suffer due to political duplicity. Secondly, did you note that the article only required a person to be a lawyer with 5 years practice (3 year degree) while a doctor has to be a member of the college of surgeons (7+ year degree) and a mental health professional had to conform with 5 separate criteria to be on a mental health review tribuneral? If car or real estate salespeople (amoral agents for third parties with a similar low levels of respect as lawyers (i.e many are professional liers) in Australian society) dominated your political system should they automatically be qualified to judge peoples mental health? ### #41 ntuc ntuc Thinking • Members • 163 posts Posted 30 April 2013 - 11:27 AM That was one of the main points in the text of the first article, why spend$150 million on celebrations where politicians get to plaster their faces over the media when they do not spend the money our own people with PTSD and prefer to have them drooling and staring at walls instead of receiving proper counselling. The people with mental issues in the first instance were those who harboured delusions about weapons of mass destruction and fantasies about the wrong countries that caused the death of many innocents. Our brave servicemen were mere pawns of the people with the real mental problems and suffer due to political duplicity.

Thanks for your feedback. Well, given the very fact that all national spendings of any countries are meant to be determined & dictated by the related politicians running the government & public administrations, who obviously would have many complicated & far-reaching issues (especially national concerns and the related public interests as mentioned in your post) to consider on their tables, then, naturally there is simply no way for me, and reasonably the many others to practically form any objective opinions on that matter.

Secondly, did you note that the article only required a person to be a lawyer with 5 years practice (3 year degree) while a doctor has to be a member of the college of surgeons (7+ year degree) and a mental health professional had to conform with 5 separate criteria to be on a mental health review tribuneral?

Oh well, reasonably as far as qualification criteria are concerned, that’s simply an issue to be determined at the professional discretions of the related tribunal and professional bodies (which are ultimately accountable to the ones they serve) with the related specific expertise and experiences which maybe well beyond the boundaries of the average laypersons.

If car or real estate salespeople (amoral agents for third parties with a similar low levels of respect as lawyers (i.e many are professional liers) in Australian society) dominated your political system should they automatically be qualified to judge peoples mental health?

Well, since any major issues & decisions about health cares matters (including the issue of automatically be qualified to judge peoples mental health? In your context), are of utmost importance to public interest, then naturally and reasonably such a significant issue has to be addressed and decided seriously by the public and community as a whole rather than randomly by any individuals or persons separately.

Whilst generally speaking, in addition to any related professional prerequisites such as official credentials, clinical experiences etc., naturally as far as the provisions of any professional health cares are concerned (which reasonably include judging peoples mental health in your context), what would really count and matter eventually and ultimately would surely be all the satisfactory delivery of these professional medical services and results to the ones needing & seeking them. Next, it is then of course the very key factor determining as to whether anyone is truly suitable, qualified and eligible to exercise any of such professional health cares judgments and practices.

As such, given such reasoning, it’s thus very much a question that is meant to be addressed & decided by the public and community as a whole who would evaluate and appraise the professional medical performances & the medical outcomes & results delivered by the different individuals when it comes to determining the issue of their respective eligibilities.

Edited by ntuc, 03 May 2013 - 01:11 PM.

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 10:10 AM

Antipsychotics & Neuroleptics - Striking a Fine Balance for Such Double-edge Swords

Well, about schizophrenia disorders which are mostly treated with antipsychotics / neuroleptics medications, please consider the excerpts below:

{“Positive Schizophrenia Symptoms Positive symptoms of the disorder are easy-to-spot behaviors not seen in healthy people and usually involve a loss of contact with reality.

These positive symptoms can include:

• Hallucinations
• Delusions
• Thought disorder
• Disorders of movement.”}

as quoted from :

http://schizophrenia...izophrenia.html

Next, in regard of the antipsychotics and neuroleptics meant for treatments of schizophrenia , please refer to the excerpts as follows:

{“ Extrapyramidal Symptoms People taking antipsychotic drugs are at risk of developing certain side effects known as extrapyramidal symptoms . These symptoms can include things such as repetitive, involuntary muscle movements (such as lip smacking) or an undeniable urge to be moving constantly . Extrapyramidal symptoms are usually divided into different categories. Dyskinesias are movement disorders, while dystonias are muscle tension disorders . "Tardive" symptoms are those that appear during long-term treatment (often after several years). Unlike earlier symptoms, tardive symptoms are more likely to be permanent even after the medication is stopped. Dyskinesias are movement disorders and can include any of a number of repetitive, involuntary, and purposeless body or facial movements . They can include:

• Tongue movements, such as "tongue thrusts" or "fly-catching" movements
• Lip smacking
• Finger movements
• Movements of the arms or legs.

An individual may or may not be aware of these movements. These movements are usually quite recognizable. Tardive dyskinesia is a dyskinesia that occurs after long-term treatment with an antipsychotic medication. Sometimes, this condition may become permanent.

Akathisia is closely related to dyskinesia. Akathisia is an extreme form of internal or external restlessness. It may be a complete inability to sit still, with an undeniable urge to be moving constantly. Or it may be an entirely inner feeling of jitteriness or shakiness. Akathisia can be exhausting and debilitating. In fact, severe akathisia may put an individual at risk for suicide, simply because it can be so unbearable .

Tardive akathisia refers to akathisia that occurs after long-term medication use, and may become permanent. Dystonia is a muscle tension disorder involving very strong muscle contractions. These uncontrollable muscle contractions can cause unusual twisting of parts of the body, especially the neck. The condition can be extremely painful and can affect any part of the body, including the eyes. If it appears after several years of medication use, it is called "tardive dystonia," and may become permanent . Other Extrapyramidal Symptoms There are many more kinds of extrapyramidal symptoms. Sometimes, they resemble Parkinson’s disease, with shuffling-type walking and unusual hand or finger movements . This is called "parkinsonism." Sometimes, the symptoms affect a person's ability to speak or may cause vocal tics (uncontrollable speech or other vocal sounds )”.}
as quoted from:

http://schizophrenia...l-symptoms.html

Next, it’s thus very obvious that the antipsychotics / neuroleptics medications, well, although they remain unquestionably essential in treating Schizophrenia, but nevertheless, the manifestations of their inherent neurological & neurodegenerative side effects as pointed out above, are however, overwhelmingly & potentially and undeniably far dire, if not, deadly than the Schizophrenia disorders itself.

And in all cases, for miscellaneous precautionary purposes, such dopamine antagonist medications (http://en.wikipedia....mine_antagonist ) of antipsychotics / neuroleptics simply should not be overly relied or fed upon to the point of sheer abuses. In short, it is simply undisputed that antipsychotics / neuroleptics alone are simply not the perfect or the only one & single solution to any cognitive disorders.

Whilst as far as antipsychotics / neuroleptics medications are concerned, well, given the very undisputed fact that since most of them are of dopamine antagonist nature ( http://en.wikipedia....mine_antagonist ) with a variety of simply inevitable serious side effects ( http://curezone.com/...asp?i=2055352#i ), there thus have been in fact a great variety of other far better medications with greater curative effects and far lesser harmful side effects getting invented from time to time nowadays by the modern medical science in order to overcome this problem.

Thus, please refer to: http://curezone.com/...m.asp?i=1530443 /

http://www.webmd.com...g-schizophrenia -

Additional Information About Modern And Outdated Neurological-related Medications

As such, their treatments would definitely involve psychotherapies to complement the usages of such medications for holistic healings .

Next, since different types of non-medication psychotherapy treatments undeniably applies to different individuals needing psychiatric treatments given their respectively different temperaments, characters, traits, personalities etc. . that simply vary from one another, then these duly certified professionals thus would need to be tactful and attentive to all the emotional & psychological needs and patterns of the ones they treat and attend to so as to effectively deliver genuinely & progressively better and better reliefs, cures and healings to these people.

Whilst generally & objectively, surely under whatsoever circumstances, anyone would certainly & positively expect any fully certified and licensed medical practitioners to simply ensure that the medical conditions of the ones or anyone they treat and attend to just get better and better from time to time rather than from bad to worse.

Next, objectively and reasonably , surely anyone would never expect and simply could never accept that for the related persons seeking treatments and getting treated, well, after getting treated and attended to by all the related fully certified & licensed professionals, well, rather than getting their original medical conditions gradually & progressively mitigated and improved better and better in a fully genuine way from time to time, as reasonably expected by anyone, well, just fully & on the contrary or the other way round, have their medical conditions ending up to be far worse off than the ones before getting treated, for example, by developing & contracting all these extra far worse neurological and neurodegenerative disorders of Extrapyramidal Symptoms, Dystonia, Neuroleptic Malignant Syndrome, Parkinsonism, Alzheimer's disease etc. as explained & elaborated through the points above.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 02:00 AM

Fees-seeking Psychiatrist & Their Fees-paying Patients – Everyone Has All the Undisputed Rights & Responsibilities On Any Grounds to Safeguard the Best Possible Interests of Their Personal Heath Cares & Well-beings

Generally and objectively, the psychiatric patients invariably all would have their individual needs for psychiatric treatments in the first place for a variety of related reasons such as stress etc., and thus, that just lead them to seeking professional psychiatric treatments, or else, such individuals wouldn’t have been seen or deemed as psychiatric patients at all if such a need for professional psychiatric treatments obviously, generally and objectively simply do not arise or exist at all.

Next, since getting & seeking psychiatric treatments invariably involves paying medical fees, then the medical-fees-paying psychiatric patients seeking psychiatric treatments, are reasonably & naturally entitled to the best possible desired & expected treatments & outcomes from the related duly licensed & certified psychiatric treatments whilst the duly licensed & certified psychiatrists themselves at the same time also by their very occupational professional ethics & personal medical consciences, are also obligated, especially given that they are paid, to ensure that the conditions of the ones they treat and attend to just get better and better from time to time rather than from bad to worse, then of course the related medical-fees-paying psychiatric patients thus have all the rights either on medical-fees-paying ground or simply for the sake of personal health cares and well-beings, to determine or to switch to other much better duly licensed & certified psychiatrists that are able to serve them better so as to be able to deliver much better curative & therapeutic outcomes to these patients that in turn at least meet their curative & therapeutic needs and purposes in line with the medical fees they pay.

Whilst as far as psychiatric medications are concerned, well, given the very undisputed fact that since most of them are of dopamine antagonist nature ( http://en.wikipedia....mine_antagonist ) with a variety of simply inevitable serious side effects ( http://curezone.com/...asp?i=2055352#i ), there thus have been in fact a great variety of other far better medications with greater curative effects and far lesser harmful side effects getting invented from time to time nowadays by the modern medical science in order to overcome this problem. Thus, please refer to: http://curezone.com/...m.asp?i=1530443
- Additional Information About Modern And Outdated Neurological-related Medications

And as such, in the case whereby any duly licensed & certified professional psychiatrists, maybe for personal self-serving profit-making reasons just simply insist to dispense totally outdated psychiatric medications which are far cheaper and “cost-effective” but nevertheless inherent with all the dangerous side effects ( http://en.wikipedia....amidal_symptoms )compared to the later or latest ones to their medical-fees-paying psychiatric patients seeking psychiatric treatments, in a way that totally disregards the health cares, medical well-beings & welfares of their medical-fees-paying patients, then of course the related medical-fees-paying patients, thus have all the rights to refuse to get treated in such a perilous way, so as maybe to switch to other duly licensed & certified professional psychiatrists who are able and are conscientious enough to take good care them, and in this case in terms of medication usage.

In short, the medical-fees-paying psychiatric patients seeking professional psychiatric treatments naturally & reasonably do have all the rights to refuse and reject any types of psychiatric medicine usage especially when the intakes of the specific medicines are obviously, potentially or simply proven to be perilous to their health conditions such as one of the many examples mentioned above.

Next, in terms of treatment methods, well, since professional psychiatric treatments undisputedly involved psychotherapy as well apart from medications alone, whilst different types of non-medication psychotherapy treatment undeniably applies to different fees-paying individuals seeking professional psychiatric treatments given their respectively different temperaments, characters, traits, personalities etc. that simply vary from one another, then of course the medical-fees-paying psychiatric patients seeking professional psychiatric treatments certainly do have all the rights to choose and to switch to other fees-receiving duly licensed & certified psychiatrists who are able to deliver much better, in this case, professional medication-and-psychotherapy treatment methods and cures that best suit , neatly-tailored to the specific curative and therapeutic needs of these fees-paying psychiatric patients simply for the sake of the respectively & individually different needs of their healthcare, medical welfare and well-beings based on the medical fees they pay.

And it is especially true when the related treatment methods administered by the fees-receiving duly licensed & certified psychiatrists simply could not work out anything satisfactory or positive at all to the fees-paying psychiatric patients.

All in all, it’s all about the breadth of the medical expertise, prowess, ingenuity, skillfulness, resourcefulness and medical consciences, ethical & all other professional issues, or in short, how useful & conscientious these fees-receiving duly licensed & certified psychiatrists really are in practically treating and genuinely & progressively improving the psychiatric conditions of the fees-paying psychiatric patients seeking psychiatric treatments from them that would eventually matter afterall.

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Extrapyramidal system

http://en.wikipedia....yramidal_system

Extrapyramidal symptoms

http://en.wikipedia....amidal_symptoms

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 02:41 AM

Duly Licensed & Certified Professional Psychiatrists & Their Compulsory Medical Professionalism of Modern-day 21St Century

Well, for the professional psychiatrists seeking fees from their patients for their professional services, well, rather than getting their original medical conditions improved as expected, but just simply on the other way round, turning their medical conditions progressively from bad to worse, such as making them end up contracting any of the totally unexpected & fully unwanted dire neuromuscular, neurological & neurodegenerative disorders of Extrapyramidal Symptoms (EPS) http://en.wikipedia....amidal_symptoms etc. from the use of the related medications dispensed to them etc.,then naturally these fees-paying patients simply have all the undisputed rights to take whatsoever remedial actions anytime or immediately to seek damages & compensations from these fully licensed & certified medical professionals, and in the worst case scenario, just have their medical practicing licenses getting fully revoked on the fully valid grounds of gross negligence, miscellaneous breaches of professional conducts etc. by their respective professional medical bodies and associations which certify these licensed professionals in the first place.

Next, please consider the quotation below about the other totally different scenario which is quoted from the other third-party under other different topic of other forum:

i remember been on the employment training i moved this guys bag so they could put a video there he starts threatening me after they showed the video they have a discussion and he's on about been a spunk and sperm man, the guy looking back had personality issues, he left a trail ending up housed as a neighbour

I have to say my present ex girlfriend is hurting and lashing out at those around her and all the mental health lot do is come round and stick a needle in her, she's on a community treatment order, i feel angry about that but what can i do?

Well, in the case of any deliberately errant and yet recidivistic duly certified psychiatric professionals who are fully licensed and yet who simply wilfully refuse to take and bear whatever obligations and responsibilities at all for the health cares of the ones they treat and attend to, and yet could still always take the law into their own hands and then always can just simply get away totally scot-free from such malpractices, oh, well, objectively and reasonably surely anyone could never ever tolerate, acquiesce and condone at all such or the like-uncivilized scenario and phenomena, such as the ones which are nevertheless commonplace centuries ago, to happen , take place and recur in the modern-day 21st century of this highly-civilized world, communities and societies.

Next such “Professional practices” would just simply & inevitably cast smudge and smear onto the generally & supposedly highly regarded modern-day professional psychiatry profession of this 21st century by bringing nothing but merely more on more shames & humiliations to it from time to time.

However, oh well, about all these blatant and brazen abuses of these related fully certified & licensed medical professionals, and well, if these errant deeds and actions just simply can fully be tolerated, accepted, acquiesced and totally condoned by, and simply mean nothing at all, to the related professional medical bodies & associations which duly and fully certify and license these medical professionals in the first place, then in such a scenario, there would hardly be anything that anyone can do.

Whilst the key issue here is that, well, about all these blatant and brazen abuses of these related fully certified & licensed medical professionals, well are these deeds and actions really can be deemed and defined in the eyes & thoughts of anyone as really & fully medically ethical & professional in line with all the officially & ubiquitously proclaimed & codified professionalism and medically ethical rules & regulations of the modern-day psychiatric profession such as the ones laid down by the related professional medical bodies & associations in the first place?

Whilst the key point to ponder over here is such that, well, about all the basic principles & sanctity of humanities and humanitarianisms which inseparably and indispensably involve health cares of the people, well, do they actually and really mean anything or totally nothing at all in reality to these professional medical bodies & associations?

Lastly, it is simply the very much undisputed fact that the very key health cares & medical well-beings issues of every single individual are unquestionably a totally inseparable and indispensable part of humanity and humanitarianism afterall.

Edited by ntuc, 16 May 2013 - 05:33 AM.

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 06:09 AM

How To Treat Schizophrenia, Antipsychotics / Neuroleptics Medications and Neuromuscular, Neurological & Neurodegenerative Side Effects of Extrapyramidal Symptoms (EPS) Carried By Antipsychotics / Neuroleptics Medications - Striking a Fine Balance for Such Double-edge Swords

Next, it’s very much worthy to take note about all the related rarely known dire & fatal neuromuscular, neurological & in the worst case scenario, the neurodegenerative disorders of Extrapyramidal Symptoms (EPS) side effects of antipsychotics / neuroleptics medications meant to treat Schizophrenia, & actually one of the minor symptoms are the neurological / neuromuscular medication / Tardive Dyskinesia-caused seriously unmitigated incessant eyelid twitching / rapid eye blinking - http://curezone.com/...asp?i=1428915#i / http://curezone.com/...asp?i=1428920#i .

Detailed Explanations about Extrapyramidal Symptoms (EPS) -

http://en.wikipedia....amidal_symptoms

http://schizophrenia...ymptoms-p2.html

http://www.symptomwi...amidal-symptoms

http://nursingplanet...l_symptoms.html

http://alzheimers.ab...rapyramidal.htm

http://www.psychvisi...E.html#dystonia

http://www.wisegeek....al-symptoms.htm

Others:

http://curezone.com/...asp?i=2055352#i (Side Effects of Neurological & Neurodegenerative Disorders of Extrapyramidal Symptoms (EPS) Caused by Antipsychotics / Neuroleptics – Full Details)

http://curezone.com/...asp?i=1530443#i (Additional Information About Modern And Outdated Neurological-related Medications)

http://curezone.com/...asp?i=2062086#i (Antipsychotics & Neuroleptics - Striking a Fine Balance for Such Double-edge Swords)

http://curezone.com/...asp?i=2065487#i (Fees-seeking Psychiatrist & Their Fees-paying Patients – Everyone Has All the Undisputed Rights & Responsibilities On Any Grounds to Safeguard the Best Possible Interests of Their Personal Heath Cares & Well-beings)

http://curezone.com/...asp?i=2065488#i (Duly Licensed & Certified Professional Psychiatrists & Their Compulsory Medical Professionalism of Modern-day 21St Century)

http://curezone.com/...asp?i=1631689#i (Various Possible Medical Causes of Unusual Eyelid Twitching / Eye Blinking - Brief Explanations)

http://curezone.com/...asp?i=1233341#i (A New Version for the Self-administered Needle-free Free-Of-Charge Acupuncture Cure For Non-stop Persistent Rapid Eyelid-twitching / Eye-blinking)

Lastly, whilst the down-to-earth reality is such that, it is simply the very much undisputed fact & totally unvarnished & veracious truth that the very health cares & medical well-beings issues of every single individual are unquestionably a totally inseparable and indispensable part of humanity and humanitarianism afterall.

Relevant Articles:

http://brainmeta.com...pic=19710&st=30

http://www.iblindnes...t=1238&start=30

http://curezone.com/...asp?i=2067763#i

http://www.peoplesre...d.php?p=4774632 (Humanity & Humanitarianism Dismissed As Mere Nonsense and Scorned With Sheer Contempt? )

Edited by ntuc, 07 September 2013 - 08:51 AM.

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 10:32 AM

Let's Just All Pray To God For These Poor, Needy & Indigent persons Who Simply Unfortunately Get Systematically Deprived of Medical Treatments Necessary to Save & Preserve Their Lives

Well, given the very much undisputed fact & totally unvarnished & veracious truth that the very health cares & medical well-beings issues of every single individual are unquestionably a totally inseparable and indispensable part of humanity and humanitarianism, then the fully undeniable sanctity of these basic underlying principles should be unquestionably, staunchly & steadfastly upheld all the time .

And as such, the basic human rights of the ones seeking professional medical treatments from the related duly licensed & certified professional medical practitioners simply should not be scornfully, contemptuously, callously & inhumanely stifled and snuffed out just like that especially in this highly-civilized modern-day 21st century.

http://curezone.com/...asp?i=2065487#i (Fees-seeking Psychiatrist & Their Fees-paying Patients – Everyone Has All the Undisputed Rights & Responsibilities On Any Grounds to Safeguard the Best Possible Interests of Their Personal Heath Cares & Well-beings)

http://curezone.com/...asp?i=2065488#i ( Duly Licensed & Certified Professional Psychiatrists & Their Compulsory Medical Professionalism of Modern-day 21St Century )

Whilst in regard of the excerpts below:

"Well, on all humanitarian grounds let's just hope that the underlying life-saving functions of healthcare would not just simply end up as a mere luxury of the affordable ones to the pathetic extent that the indigent, poor and needy ones are simply and totally getting systematically deprived of it due to the very sheer reason of unaffordability."

as quoted from:
http://www.healthlin..._a_res#Post1121

and about the quotation below :

"I think Actually these persons distributed nearly the identical sore know-how as me from such debilitating sickness and for your data, {{there were numerous of them who were not so well-to-do, and therefore they could not pay for such costly health accounts of glimpsing the health experts}} or to get Botox injections / surgical remedy to deal with their non-stop eyelid-twitching problems. Therefore, when I suggested such an acupuncture method to them, I did it out of benevolent humanity, understanding and compassion, and express gratitude God that it worked on each and every individual of them."

quoted from : http://www.drugs.com...ce-46571-2.html (Please refer to Post No : 49) /

http://curezone.com/...m.asp?i=1673263 /

http://curezone.com/...asp?i=1876376#i

& as to the acupressure cure mentioned above :

http://curezone.com/...asp?i=1428266#i /

http://www.medicalac..._1/poster1.html

Well, about the obviously ubiquitous phenomenon of poor, needy and indigent people seeking medical treatments to save and preserve their lives, who are nevertheless always subsequently, unfortunately, uniformly & invariably kept / kicked / driven out of the private clinics, private hospitals & other private medical premises for the sole and only reason of their unaffordability such as the scenario described through this excerpt, {{there were numerous of them who were not so well-to-do, and therefore they could not pay for such costly health accounts of glimpsing the health experts}}, then, let's just sincerely pray to God that these poor, needy & indigent people would simply not totally be left to perish all by themselves and let's just hope that they will all get the necessary salvation they need to save themselves one day.

By the way, naturally and rationally all the kind and benevolent persons would earnestly hope that the doctors of the modern medical world today will eventually come to realize one day that practicing medicine is simply, mainly and definitely not about profiteering and money-making alone. Anyway, as human beings ourselves, the principles of humanitarian concepts, humanity, conscience etc, well, they simply should not be ignored or deliberately compromised for the sake of money-making especially when it comes to the issue of medical conscience of the doctors practicing medicines of which its key, primary & undisputed purpose is mostly about saving human lives rather than making money to enrich themselves.

As such, let's just sincerely pray to God once again that all the necessary humanely positive changes universally for the sakes of the better and better health cares, welfare and well-beings of anyone seeking treatments from any doctors will come forth one day.

And hopefully our prayers to God for such humanity and humanitarianism causes will be answered one day.

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 09:09 AM

What Anyone Wants From Seeking Any Medical Treatments?

"I think Actually these persons distributed nearly the identical sore know-how as me from such debilitating sickness and for your data, there were numerous of them who were not so well-to-do, and therefore they could not pay for such costly health accounts of glimpsing the health experts or to get Botox injections / surgical remedy to deal with their non-stop eyelid-twitching problems. Therefore, when I suggested such an acupuncture method to them, I did it out of benevolent humanity, understanding and compassion, and express gratitude God that it worked on each and every individual of them."

Well, in regard of the quotation above as excerpted from:

http://www.drugs.com...ce-46571-2.html (Please refer to Post No: 49) /

http://curezone.com/...m.asp?i=1673263

& as to the needle-free acupressure cure mentioned above:

http://curezone.com/...asp?i=1428266#i

well then, I just would like to informally share something else with you guys purely for your leisurely reading pleasures. As such, please refer to the follows:

Needle-Free Acupuncture is the process of clearing the areas of congestion within the meridians and balancing the Qi without the use of acupuncture needles penetrating the skin

quoted from:

http://brainmeta.com...showtopic=23257

Well, frankly speaking, in practice and as a matter of fact, the very unvarnished and veracious truth is such that, regardless of whatever cures and therapies available for any bodily ailments, such as the ones from the western medical science and other alternative medicines, generally and objectively any of us would reasonably and rationally believe that what realistically and practically matters and counts the most to anyone seeking any medical treatments would ultimately be whether the particular given cures and therapies available would really work out and deliver any genuinely sustainable, effective and positive results and outcomes at all in the very reality and in the very end to serve their respective expected curative needs and therapeutic purposes. Whilst along with that, preferably of course with the minimum risks, costs and troubles involved.

Next, included below are just some of the several few very simple, generally-and-widely-known common examples out of the numerous other different medical treatment-seeking scenarios pertaining to the points mentioned above:

http://curezone.com/...asp?i=1876376#i (Botox and Surgical Solutions for Chronic Blepharospasm? Are they reasonably really sensible, rational and practical under most of the circumstances?)

http://www.iblindnes...t=1238&start=30 (Antipsychotics & Neuroleptics - Striking a Fine Balance for Such Double-edge Swords)

http://curezone.com/...asp?i=2063112#i (Fees-seeking Psychiatrist & Their Fees-paying Patients – Everyone Has All the Undisputed Rights & Responsibilities On Any Grounds to Safeguard the Best Possible Interests of Their Personal Heath Cares & Well-beings)

http://curezone.com/...asp?i=2064819#i (Duly Licensed & Certified Professional Psychiatrists & Their Compulsory Medical Professionalism of Modern-day 21St Century)

Others:

http://www.peoplesre...d.php?p=4774632 - Humanity & Humanitarianism Dismissed as Mere Nonsense and Scorned with Sheer Contempt?

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Posted 07 January 2015 - 09:47 PM

Follow-up

All in all, it’s all about the breadth of the medical expertise, prowess, ingenuity, skillfulness, resourcefulness and medical consciences, ethical & all other professional issues, or in short, how useful & conscientious these fees-receiving duly licensed & certified psychiatrists really are in practically treating and genuinely & progressively improving the psychiatric conditions of the fees-paying psychiatric patients seeking psychiatric treatments from them that would eventually matter afterall.

Next and well then, as a rule of thumb, reasonably and objectively any persons would surely, generally and directly agree that any duly-licensed and professionally-qualified doctors, medical practitioners and personnel etc. are naturally at least duty-bound to safeguard the best-possible health care interests and medical well-beings of anyone they treat, whilst to the very minimum extent, and at least on every and any humanitarian grounds, with all the necessary due professionalism, humanity, probity and integrity as naturally, reasonably and directly expected from anyone they treat.

Follow-up :

http://brainmeta.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=20370&st=30

(Please refer to Post 49 & 50)

http://www.scienceforums.com/topic/14747-risperdal-induced-non-stop-persistent-eyelid-twitching-my-healing-experience/page-5

(Please refer to the very last post)

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Posted 19 July 2017 - 05:21 AM

Summary

QUOTE(matthewebbert @ Sep 04, 2013, 02:18 PM)

Needle-Free Acupuncture is the process of clearing the areas of congestion within the meridians and balancing the Qi without the use of acupuncture needles penetrating the skin

In respect of the independent third-party quotation above excerpted from : http://brainmeta.com...pic=23257&st=30 (Please refer to Post no. 32),

all in all and as a summary, the needle-free acupuncture such as this particular example, http://www.curezone....m.asp?i=1233341 (which is definitely a far better option than epidermic / syringe injections - http://www.nbcnews.c...9/#.WWr2eFK575d (please refer to the related video- which may be deleted anytime) , together with the o ther bodily acupuncture points, may just potentially bear immeasurable and invaluable therapeutic and curative medical benefits to the mankind, especially the poor and needy ones  -  http://www.curezone....asp?i=1673263#i , and of course especially and particularly when they (the other acupuncture points other than the specific Hegu acupoint) are carefully explored, experimented, observed, studied and applied with extreme precautions.

Whilst as a rule of thumb, there are simply no absolute certainties in medical sciences, theories & principles especially when it comes to effective cures and therapies for certain diseases.

And of course, only the final positive curative & therapeutic results & outcomes brought forth & produced would eventually matter & be relevant.

Edited by ntuc, 05 October 2017 - 01:21 AM.