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#1 JulianKeller

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Posted 05 November 2008 - 03:49 AM

What is the psychology behind these words? [they are from a tv show, but I found it weird that an old friend of mine said something so similar to me just before I watched the tv show, an the fact my friend never watched the show made it all the more ominous to me, so I have been wracking my brain and now I have brought it here]

My friend's variant - "Observing even the smallest thing you can come to understand the universe. Action and reaction for instance, as well as cause and effect. All can be understood thru a linear timeline."

tv show -"...by watching you can understand anything.. Cause and effect, action, reaction.. How to change the future.."



An also what can be read into, "How do I make love stay?"

An what is reading into mean from a psychological standpoint?

Also what's the deal with some people wanting to save the world and feeling it is their life purpose to enlighten others with their 'wisdom'?

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Posted 05 November 2008 - 08:26 AM

Good morning Julian,
The words from the television show are used to guide you from repeating the same mistakes from the past.If we look through out history, the same mistakes often repeat themselves. The point is to recognise that a wrong choice was made, and look to make a more informed choice for the future. In our own lives, if we experience the pain of touching the stove, then we are unlikely to touch it again.However, in our emotions, that is not always the case. We will repeatedly choose people to love or associate with, whose personality type, has hurt us in the past.We hope that this time, a different result will occur. It usually does not. We have to take a deep objective view into why we seek these people and what they have to offer. Chances are, we are attempting to correct something from the past, that there is no correction for. It is not about right and wrong, it is about choice. For example, my marriage had come to an end.Every one stated that what a mistake it had been.Really? I have two wonderful children that would have never brought joy to my life, if that "mistake" had not been made. Therefore, it was certainly not a mistake, but simply a choice. The next choice will be made after careful consideration of personality attributes that I deem appropriate to be a part of my life. Ideas and habits that do not conform to my own ideology, will not be a part of the new scenario. This is my choice.
You asked how to make love say. Love is not something that can be grasped, or held, or controlled. It's very substance is not tangible, yet can be felt deeply. Imagine yourself not as a receptor, but as a conduit. As you allow love, whether it be in the form of philio, eros, or agape, to embrace you; you in turn will emit that to others. When your cause is generated by that, your effect will bring positive reults to yourself and others.
When approached with the concept of "saving the world",
my inevitable response is from "what"? Death? Destruction? Hell? or possibly myself? It is not about saving, it is about living.There will always be a means to an end, but it is the means that we are responsible for. Therefore, we must take care of ourselves, others, and our planet.There will always be people out there selling you something, whether that be an item, religion or a concept. You don't have to purchase. Choose only those things that you deem right for yourself and simply leave the rest.

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Posted 05 November 2008 - 04:42 PM

How do I save the world?

What is the psychology behind these words?


To me, comments such as "save the world" or "end of the world" philosophically reflect humanity's innate arrogance and tendency to think of ourselves in grand terms. Nothing humanity could now (or in the foreseeable future) accomplish could destroy the world or save it from its eventual and possibly inevitable destruction. We play at the pleasure of cosmic forces that could squash us at will.

The psychology of such a statement is another matter. Motivating a large group of people is helped by exaggerating the benefits of action and the consequences of inaction. This can be applied to almost any situation. Your company may inform its workers that some new initiative must succeed or the company is going under—even if it's not true. Your president might tell you that war is necessary to save your country or way of life. The TV show you mention and whatever method of awareness it promised ("understand the universe") is more of the same. It's a large promise attached to a small investment in the hopes of delivering action (watching the show, buying into the philosophy, buying the book, etc)

It's really no different from telling people that sorting their aluminum cans in the proper recycling bin "saves the world". It motivates them. I personally don't think it is as good a motivation as some appeal to emotion, but it seems just as common.

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Posted 05 November 2008 - 05:43 PM

To answer the thread title, save the cheerleader! :hihi:

But more on-topic, "saving the world", as pointed out already, is a ridiculous phrase. It can be motivational, but is dishonest.

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Posted 06 November 2008 - 11:26 AM

Respect the nature.

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Posted 08 November 2008 - 05:33 AM

"How do I save the world?" What is the psychology behind these words?
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Save the lovely cheerleader, save the love, save the relationship, save the world....

Save the world really means save the civilization, doesn't it?
Well, some folks mean 'save the environment' I suppose, regardless of what happens to people; but....

But my point is that this "save the world" phrase doesn't really mean "rescue the world (or love);" it means "keep it the same," or "maintain the...."

Status quo.... Maintain homeostasis (in the most metaphorical sense)... is what it always comes down to....

Consider the psychology of those who want to destroy the world. They don't like the status quo; they feel as if homeostasis is lost and unregainable... perhaps?
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Also what's the deal with some people wanting to save the world and feeling it is their life purpose to enlighten others with their 'wisdom'?

...just tryin' to build up some good karma...
...maybe thinking of their kids, or fellow man...
...and maybe help evolution along a little bit?

...which kinda sums up religion's big motive also, doesn't it?


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#7 JulianKeller

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Posted 09 November 2008 - 06:14 AM

The question isn't really how to save the world. :shrug: Short of a chain of nuclear bombs, there's little we can do to affect the world.

Saving the enviroment we live in, etc etc is other stuff :)

I'm attempting to understand the psychology behind the words. What is the motive driving them? What kind of person would say that? What is the psychology behind the thought process of cause and effect? Advantages, disadvantages. :P

Freezstar... cool lol so if I save the cheerleader, I save the world? It'd be cool to have a nice long pointy sword to help me. :P <<Future Hiro is a favorite character.

Another question is what is the psychology behind someone who believes themselves to have supernatural powers? I mean they are like martial artists who condition themselves to take pain and then believe it to be supernatural in nature :P so what is the psychology and the thought process, what kind of person could think this?

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Posted 09 November 2008 - 11:06 AM

If you want the world to be saved gather up about 10,000 of your like minded friends and each of you send me a crisp new $100 bill and I'll save the world. Guaranteed results by the year 2108, send that money now!

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Posted 09 November 2008 - 01:46 PM

:D MTM B)

The question isn't really how to save the world. :hyper: Short of a chain of nuclear bombs, there's little we can do to affect the world.
Saving the enviroment we live in, etc etc is other stuff :Guns:
The evidence shows that we've been increasingly affecting the world for the past few millennia, ...but that's not why you called. :hyper:

I'm attempting to understand the psychology behind the words. What is the motive driving them? What kind of person would say that? What is the psychology behind the thought process of cause and effect?
I think it all comes down to evolution.
What is the drive that motivates a parent to sacrifice themself for their child's future?

I think it's the same drive that motivates one to feel 'saving the (future of the) world' (maintaining the status quo, seeing a continuity linking the present with the future) is important.

What is the psychology behind the thought process... what kind of person?
Maintaining homeostasis... a person who doesn't feel balanced, content, complete, or fulfilled unless they try to make things better for the future?
It's what motivates a soldier to sacrifice for a cause greater than themself.
Regardless of what indoctrination, religious fervor, or political zeal motivates someone, they are striving (according to their worldview) to maintain a right, normal balance, and a clear path to the future.


Advantages, disadvantages. :eek:
Well, it's certainly advantageous for the continuation of the species, but not the individual....
Maybe that's why there's some ideal balance of altruistic and selfish people in any given healthy society.


Freezstar... cool lol so if I save the cheerleader, I save the world? It'd be cool to have a nice long pointy sword to help me. :doh: <<Future Hiro is a favorite character.

Another question is what is the psychology behind someone who believes themselves to have supernatural powers? I mean they are like martial artists who condition themselves to take pain and then believe it to be supernatural in nature :P so what is the psychology and the thought process, what kind of person could think this?

"...supernatural powers? I mean they are like martial artists...."
...someone who enjoys shifting their homeostatic set point toward some goal?
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#10 JulianKeller

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Posted 09 November 2008 - 03:10 PM

Is it possible for someone to shift their homeostatic set point consciously thru mental/internal focus? >_> j/w

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Posted 09 November 2008 - 03:58 PM

Is it possible for someone to shift their homeostatic set point consciously thru mental/internal focus? >_> j/w

I don't want to get caught up in the semantics of physics/mental, but....

Exercise is a mental effort, causing a physical change...
but what about meditation which causes physical changes?
Making a choice to lead a military life, or a religious life, or a city vs. rural life would affect one's setpoint, I'd think.
...and what about...
Religious or psychological conversions that bring about physical changes (releases of tension)?
...or "Superhuman" feats of strength when someone is motivated by life or death situations, or even an ideology?
...or simply having a philosphy of life or worldview that makes one calm or agitated?
...and what about diet choices?

...and speaking of "releases of tension," ...(imho) it was religious fervor that led Newton to avoid impure thoughts and occupy his mind with the theoretical world, leading to his visualization of the Calculus. Thank goodness he was trying to change his setpoint. :hyper:

I think genetically there are different modes that will each accomodate a stable setpoint; and that each setpoint will have a range of stability within its mode.

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Posted 11 November 2008 - 05:49 PM

Two words :

You don't

go with the flow for what is around you cannot be controlled but can be influenced by your actions or well-planned objectives just like generation wealth management