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Parapraxes and other Characteristics of Numinosity


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#1 Tolouse

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Posted 22 April 2008 - 08:54 AM

i've been reading about the works of Rudolf Otto, C.G. Jung, Mircea Eliade, Freud, Marx, Weber and others.

Parapraxes and Numinosity

Jung concludes that:

C. G. Jung picked up on the idea of parapraxes and tried to explain their occurrence with his concept of the shadow. Jung’s notion of the shadow has both personal and collective aspects. An irruption of shadow contents into daytime activities could stem from an unresolved personal complex, the larger forces of the collective unconscious1 or some combination of the two. For Jung, unintended slips don’t always refer exclusively to the person making them. They can point to an entire situation among several or perhaps many people.


and:

How we respond to mistakes is crucial. Jung felt that the self is on a natural trajectory toward wholeness. That is, nature heals and corrects. And since mankind sprung from nature, Jung believed that increased psychological awareness increases our mastery over the environment. Thus for Jungians, self-knowledge translates to increased confidence as well as new vitality and a sense of meaning.


A Parapraxis is:

an unusual word that might intimidate those unfamiliar with psycho-analytic theory. But it’s a pretty simple idea. In the Psychopathology of Everyday Life Freud says parapraxes are unintentional acts resulting from an unconscious wish, desire, attitude or thought (London: Penguin, 2002 [1901]).


in Wiki, a parapraxis is also called the Freudian Slip

A Freudian slip, or parapraxis, is an error in speech, memory, or physical action that is believed to be caused by the unconscious mind.

Some errors, such as a man accidentally calling his wife by the name of another woman, seem to represent relatively clear cases of Freudian slips. In other cases, the error might appear to be trivial or bizarre, but may show some deeper meaning on analysis. As a common pun goes, "A Freudian slip is like saying one thing, but meaning your mother." A Freudian slip is not limited to a slip of the tongue, or to sexual desires. It can extend to our word perception where we might read a word incorrectly because of our fixations. It is important to note that these slips are semi-conscious. This is to say that these thoughts are consciously repressed and then unconsciously released. This is unlike true Freudian repression, which is the unconscious act of making something unconscious.


now, my question is, is it really an unconcious response or could it be that something is buried deeper into the psyche?

my opinion, however, concludes that it is an unconcious act based off past experiences.

thoughts or opinions?

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Posted 24 April 2008 - 08:51 AM

now, my question is, is it really an unconcious response or could it be that something is buried deeper into the psyche?

my opinion, however, concludes that it is an unconcious act based off past experiences.

thoughts or opinions?




An "unconscious response" is referring to the deep "psyche" so I confused to what the choices are here.

I my view the rare slip of the tongue is not as important as noticing peoples predispositions.


Jung’s concept of the archetype is IMNSHO, I hate when people say "IMHO"
when it anything but. Anyway these concept of the archetype should be the core of modern psychology.
These unconscious images form around adolescents and can become the organizers of the of the still malleable unformed mind. These archetypal images born from childhood and adolescent experiences can lead to adventures of discovery, rewarding relationships or cycles of negative feedback of memory-perception that lead to neuroses.

I can see that in our culture that our initial programming is not forming from family relationships experiences as much as it should. New generations are letting the programs
from mass media or political/religious idealisms, and even outdated scientific models that our all intended as guides not program's. The mind should keep open to new information and experiences, but so many waste conscious energy exempting to insist to others the world is this way or that way instead of seeing the world is any way you choice to see it.


Without numinosity things and other persons remain mere images to the individual because there is no psychic energy exchanged; that is, the individual feel no emotional attachment. The lack of numinosity in many lives of contemporary society is the result of the scientific understanding of things. Currently most things, including people, are described in scientific terms, which have dehumanized the individual.

One of the products of this dehumanization process has been the elimination of connections, particularly instinctual connections, between persons and things. A majority of the civilized world has started regarding things, even animals and plants, as possessions or objects. Little, if any, thought or feeling is given to the existence of these things or objects. This feeling of carelessness has become so persuasive that it has spilt over into man's relationships with his fellow human beings.

Although many feel they have lost something within their lives, they do not know the exact nature of their lost. Increasingly more people are recognizing that they are losing spirituality in their lives, and this is the reason for their dehumanization. Their recognition was not aided by their orthodox spiritual leaders, those who were more interested in maintaining their institutions than the sacred meaning that they stood for, but by probing deeply within themselves with the help of others who also came to this recognition.




You can observe this time an time again on this site. Some will read something and misinterpret the meaning because they are predisposed to a certain models of thinking or paradigms that they have boxed themselves into. Sometimes it really amazes me how bad it can be. I tend to learn the “accepted paradigms” of thinking then use a cross disciplinary approach whether it be personal relationships or a philosophical discussion on the collective subconscious.

Many think such times of enchantments are gone forever, and the sad part is that many do not care. They apparently seem satisfied with their scientific and sophisticated attitudes. Many classify and explain everything in cold calculated terms and feel mastery within their separate selves. Still, at times, they seem to question what is wrong with the world.

Others who have studied the ancient ways and helped to give birth to them again will gladly tell these people what the wrong is. They would tell them that the world is still mystical. The people who have returned to, or revived, the ancient ways would say that there is still a strong, emotional bound between Nature and her children. These people have rediscovered the sacred rituals, secret formulas, and many others things that once came out of the primeval forest to give life to the world. Simply, when mystical ties compose is the numinosity between the world, its parts, and the individual, all things become inclusive and alive. A.G.H.

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Posted 24 April 2008 - 09:15 AM

that's enlightening, thanks

as for the reference of "unconsciousness", i keep thinking of something as natural as breathing or something that happens without consciously thinking about it

for something in the mind, does it thing have to be inactive to be considered unconscious?

Unconscious mind states that

Neuroscience is an unlikely place to find support for a proposition as adaptable as the unconscious mind. [20] For example, researchers at Columbia University Medical Center have found that fleeting images of fearful faces - images that appear and disappear so quickly that they escape conscious awareness - produce unconscious anxiety that can be detected in the brain with the latest neuroimaging machines.[21] The conscious mind is hundreds of milliseconds behind the unconscious processes.


and was what i was thinking when mentioning the Freudian Slip or parapraxis

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Posted 24 April 2008 - 11:43 AM

I my view the rare slip of the tongue is not as important as noticing peoples predispositions.


I strongly agree with this statement. I've always thought Freud tended to make mountains out of mole hills. Freudian slips are a good example. There are such better indicators of a person's mental workings such as their actions, attitude, and a good old fashioned conversation.

I would think (although I can't imagine how I'd support this) dreams and parapraxes can just as often be misleading to psychology or a psychotherapist as correctly interpreted.

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 07:28 AM

that's enlightening, thanks

as for the reference of "unconsciousness", i keep thinking of something as natural as breathing or something that happens without consciously thinking about it

for something in the mind, does it thing have to be inactive to be considered unconscious?

Unconscious mind states that

and was what i was thinking when mentioning the Freudian Slip or parapraxis

The "Unconsciousness" is the natural uninterrupted flow of information, your right. The "Consciousness" is only a very small part of this information we catch with our memory. Our memory functions as a device that retains the familiar. This has to do again with our archetypal memory, like a seed crystal or a basic program that builds on to itself that which has the same pattern are structure.

Our conscious perception is really just our awareness of the growth our memory.