Technician class experimenter logs in

[Jimostr]

Greetings!

 

My real name is Jim and I am an electronics technician with a research and engineering lab background.

 

A few weeks ago, a post at ATS ( http://www.AboveTopSecret.com ) was brought to my attention. I thought the discussion by Larry717 about the alleged "Philadelphia Experiment" was interesting, so I joined the board and participated in his thread with a few posts.(membername jimostr)

 

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread60003/pg2

 

What is remarkable to me about this particular thread is how many views it gets (30,000+) in relation to how many pages there are in the thread (only three). Compared to other topics in the ATS "Science and Technology" section, "The Philadelphia Project" is by for the most popular subject in terms of views. However, in terms of dialog with other board members (with the exception of Larry717) the quantity and quality levels of intelligent comeback commentary is particularly dismal. I really need more action than this so that's why I'm here. Hopefully there are some hands on science buffs here who would be interested in exploring the possibility of my doing a small scale "Philadelphia Experiment".

 

I have a small lab at home. The equipment I have includes a large variac, a 50 mhz digital storage oscilloscope, various power supplies including a 30kv hvps, an interesting computer controlled stereo signal generator (0 - 20khz) capable of producing sine, square, and triangle waves with a variable phase between channels of 0 - 90 degrees. It will also output white and pink noise. I also have a 900 watt dual secondary spark gap fired tesla coil.

 

I am a little light on the theoretical end of things. Perhaps someone could comment on Larry717's second post on page 2 of the thread where he states the following:

A low magnetic field produces an extremely fast precession of the electrons in an iron body. The precession, or rotation, of the electrons is like the motion of particles in a cyclotron. There is a force called the centripetal force. The formulas for centripetal force and magnetic force are equal to each other. There is not much force produced by a single particle in a

cyclotron. But FMR involves the precession of billions of electrons.The values relevant to FMR are inserted into the magnetic force equation to get the centripetal force. Here are the particular equations:

 

Centripetal Force Fc = mv^2/r = q(Wc r) B

 

where m is the mass of the moving particle, v is its velocity, r is the radius or the distance from the center of rotation to the particle, q is the charge of the particle, Wc is the cyclotron frequency and B is the magnetic field through which the particle moves.

 

Fc (FMR) = Q (Wp r) B

 

where the centripetal force due to FMR equals the total charge of the precessing electrons multiplied by the precession frequency, the radius of turning of the total charge, and the magnetic field B.

 

There are 10^28 electrons in one cubic meter of iron. The total charge is about one billion coulombs. For B = 1 Tesla, Wp = 10^11 radians/s.

 

Wp = the ratio of charge to mass of the electron multiplied by B. With r = 1 meter,

 

Fc (FMR) = 10^20 Newtons

 

Einstein identifies the centipetal, centrifugal, and Coriolis forces as manifestations of gravitational force.In General Relativity, use is made of the term, "curvature of spactime." Now, a body in spactime accelerates along the curvature in the same way a body accelerates under gravitational force. For our purposes, they are different ways of saying the same thing.

 

Now the Newtonian gravitational force between a spherical body of 15 solar masses and a 1kg test mass, with a center-to-center separation of 1m is:

 

F = GMm/r^2 = 2x10^21 Newtons

 

Thus, in the Newtonian approximation at least, FMR, using electromagnetic quantities, can yield nearly the same gravitational force as the mass of 15 Suns. Here is a hint of the unification of electromagnetism and gravitation. A unification like this may have been responsible for the Philadelphia Experiment.

Any ideas?

 

Jim

[Tormod]

Welcome, Jim!

 

For the record: We generally do not like to see other people's posts from other forums being posted without that poster's consent. Since you posted the link to the forum, at least we know where it came from. But it is not a good idea to ask members here how to handle a discussion at a separate forum.

 

That said, I'm moving your topic over to the physics forum because it mainly belongs there.

[Jimostr]

Welcome, Jim!

 

Thanks, hi! :hyper:

 

For the record: We generally do not like to see other people's posts from other forums being posted without that poster's consent.

 

If you are referring to Larry717, I don't think he'd mind. We've exhanged our regular email addresses and have been discussing the subject in private. I reposted his comment here as if it were merely a quotation from a published document, ( postings to public forums, by definition, are published documents) in order to see if anyone else can evaluate or explain the idea presented. My reason for doing this is that I do not have the physics background to say whether or not Larry's reasoning is valid....it sounds good to me, but I'm not a Physics expert.

 

Since you posted the link to the forum, at least we know where it came from. But it is not a good idea to ask members here how to handle a discussion at a separate forum.

 

I'm not asking members how to handle another discussion. I'm merely asking for an independent evaluation of Larry's reasoning in the boxed quotation, because I don't know if it's valid or not, I'm not a Physicist....

 

That said, I'm moving your topic over to the physics forum because it mainly belongs there.

 

OK!

 

Jim O.

[Tormod]

It's just our policy, Jim. I think you make a good case for why you post it here, and you do not hide who the original poster is. I just felt that it was necessary to point it out. :hyper: No harm done.