Vibrio Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 I have been on many forum sites and the ones I like least seem to be the big ones with a lot of members and mods. Now, I will admit, this one is not the worst, trust me. But it is also not the best. I came here because it seemed very welcoming and friendly. I agree with almost all the rules for this board. I won't lie. No porn, be respectful, etc. However, I do not agree with the little picky things. This includes the no re-posting existing topics. I don't see the point. I mean, you have to reply to a topic that has been dead for 6 months or more? You have to do a search for every new topic you make? I am surprised that so many of you stay on these sites like this. I get tired of doing searches all the time and if I screw up, having a mod post links to existing topics or having them closed! I understand that you most likely have a reason for it. However, I believe I can overcome that reason here: Members whine and complain about it. I know they do. And I am sure I am not the only one who does. It gets annoying to post a really cool topic and have it closed! People aren't going to reply to an existing topic as they would to a new one. New topics are more attractive and exciting. New topics open a new discussion idea. If I post what I want on an existing topic, people will say "hey! I remember this topic. I'll post something." This "something" may be a reply to me, someone else, or just a thought of his or her own that has nothing to do with my post. When a new topic is posted, it naturally calls for a new reply. New topics, even similar to existing ones, are askng for a completely new conversation and replies to that specific post. New members come on constantly and some members don't return. Who is going to want to reply to a thread that has been made by a member who never comes on anymore. Those theads are dead and some can never be brought back to life even if a new post is made. A lot of times no one replies. In other words, if I reply to an existing thread from a year ago, it is more likely that I won't get replies than if I created a new one. There is no big deal in making a thread similar to one of months or even years ago! It hurts no one, it causes no harm. It only angers moderators for a reason unknown. I was recently asked to edit my signture because it had a link to my forum site on it. I was told it was so that people won't be drawn away from this site. Ok, fair enough, but would it really do so? This site is enormous! Pleanty of members. I highly doubt it would draw people away! Besides, websites advertse on websites all the time. I put the link in my sig, not to draw people away from here, but to have them give mine a look. They can be members of both if they wish. It does not matter. Advertising goes hand in hand. Why not have a deal where if you want a link in your signature, you need to link back to here on your site? It's really not that big of a deal and I think it is taken far too seriously. This site would be a lot better if I was not walking on eggshells, hoping that I won't get in trouble. I bet that a lot of people feel this way but don't show it. I have my own site to worry about and spend time on rather than wasting it on this floor of eggshells. I do not feel comfortable here anymore. I realize that this board is no different than the general message board. I find the new topic policy everywhere. What I said above goes for all of them. From seeing, disagreeing and feeling mistreated by moderators throughout the web, I have come to follow a new and different policy for board rules as an administrator of Bio Freaks United. Moderators jobs are to keep things in order: move topics when needed, keep spam/porn out and delete offensive posts. There is no need for pickiness. The little things should be enforced as they are. My advice to all forum administrators and moderators: The board is about keeping your members happy. Like any business, treat the costomer as best you can. What they want is what keeps them buying from you. A message board is no different. Keep members by acting in their favor. When a complaint is posted, such as this, take it into consideration because one member could easily be speaking for many. You do not want to lose members and/or have them feel uncomfortable! Overall, pickiness is not needed and not favored. It causes people to complain and do more work to post a new topic. It has more negative effects than positive ones. I strongly advise that it be vanished from here and other forum websites! Tormod, C1ay and GAHD 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfiniteNow Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 What threads have you had closed? Was the request to remove a link to another forum from your sig a request, or a mandate? Why the long diatribe? Be specific. What should we change? We are growing and improving everyday. What do YOU want? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queso Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Yeah sometimes they can be a bit enforcive, but there are ways to work around it. This place is like grand pillar status, word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfiniteNow Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 but there are ways to work around it.Care to share? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queso Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Care to share? Teeheehee, you're so silly InfiniteNow. I just love you.Oh, my psychology is partitioned and evolves here @ hypography.You warn me and infract me and I step back and giggle, throwing out my tonguelike a fishing rod into this pool of knowledge. As if I even needed to tell you that! I was just being silly, like always, because I dance on the absurd lillies of life whilst peeking thru bushes at truth, ciao. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tormod Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 This includes the no re-posting existing topics. I don't see the point. I mean, you have to reply to a topic that has been dead for 6 months or more? You have to do a search for every new topic you make? No, you don't *have* to, but as our rules point out - it's a *good idea*. Some threads pop up with rather regular intervals and it would be a very bright idea to look for them (like search for "creationism" if that's what the post is about, for example). Then, if a post is found, write "I found other topics but none covered what I want to discuss" or "I see that this has been discussed before, but I have a different angle I want to discuss". Some of us have been around this site for years and it does help both us and everyone else to try to keep the amount of topics on a given topic to a minimum. That said, I completely agree that, for example, a two-year old thread is most likely worth a completely new thread rather than reposting in the old one. I am surprised that so many of you stay on these sites like this. I get tired of doing searches all the time and if I screw up, having a mod post links to existing topics or having them closed! Which topic did you have closed? Members whine and complain about it. I know they do. And I am sure I am not the only one who does. It gets annoying to post a really cool topic and have it closed! In fact I have never received a complaint about this until now, so I don't think you're 100% correct there. Again, which really cool topic did you post and have closed? I was recently asked to edit my signture because it had a link to my forum site on it. I was told it was so that people won't be drawn away from this site. This must have been a mistake (please send me the PM you received, as it sounds like a mistake on behalf of the mod team). Our rules state that you may link to any site that is of use to our members, as long as it does not solicit members to sign up elsewhere. You are perfectly welcome to put your forum link in your signature. In fact, I remember clicking on it and checking out the site. We do welcome that. Why not have a deal where if you want a link in your signature, you need to link back to here on your site? It's really not that big of a deal and I think it is taken far too seriously. Again, this is based on a mistake, and we do not want to require people to link back. This site would be a lot better if I was not walking on eggshells, hoping that I won't get in trouble. I bet that a lot of people feel this way but don't show it. That may be, and it's not good if it is the case. We are working on expanding the site to diversify the topics (to isolate the science forums and open up venues for less fact-based discussion) and this might be one of the things people don't like. The science forums are a place where people are *expected* to be able to back up claims (unless they are merely asking a question, of course). We spend a lot of time welcoming users. But we also spend a LOT of time with troublesome users who find nothing better to do than complain about us picking on them, yet they violate our rules in every single post (you are NOT among them). My advice to all forum administrators and moderators: The board is about keeping your members happy. Like any business, treat the costomer as best you can. What they want is what keeps them buying from you. A message board is no different. Keep members by acting in their favor. When a complaint is posted, such as this, take it into consideration because one member could easily be speaking for many. You do not want to lose members and/or have them feel uncomfortable! Good advice. Do you really think we do not do our members any favors, though? Your criticism is extremely harsh. We have a team of some 15 mods and admins monitoring over 50 forums. It is inevitable that we will make mistakes. But believe me, we are talking about ways to make things easier for everyone. I strongly advise that it be vanished from here and other forum websites! Good luck with your own boards, and may you treat your members with the respect they deserve. Turtle 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racoon Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 I can agree to Admin being 'Picky' if not 'qliquey' But I can also agree to the hard work and money that goes into maintaining a smooth and productive site. A wholesome and adventerous process...full of bumps in the road I favor counterbalancing all teh Spammers and Dips with some relatively levelheaded people trying to encourage intellectual growth.. :love: ;) :bouquet: :shade: :phones: If you want to say some stuff, maybe un-Kosher.. then go to PostMagnet :love: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michaelangelica Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 I have been on many forum sites and the ones I like least seem to be the big ones with a lot of members and mods. Now, I will admit, this one is not the worst, trust me. But it is also not the best. I came here because it seemed very welcoming and friendly. I agree moderators seem especially sensitive (&there are so many of them!) I have run a-foul at least four times Yet the system seems to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chacmool Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 I would like more members, especially those who have been around a while, to comment in this thread. I am very interested to read the opinions and ideas of our members. :unsure: Do you really think we are being picky? What would you like to change? How would you do things differently? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michaelangelica Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Do you really think we are being picky?Yep You are all a bit obsessive compulsive. Relax a bit. Especially with new people. Be gentle. Nasty words never killed any body. C1ay 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tormod Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 You are all a bit obsessive compulsive. Yeah. We get up in the morning, go to work, do our bit, go home, do family stuff, spend time on chores, and manage to tweak in some quality Hypography time. And we just love it when our fellow Hypographers generalize about us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michaelangelica Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Yeah. We get up in the morning, go to work, do our bit, go home, do family stuff, spend time on chores, and manage to tweak in some quality Hypography time. And we just love it when our fellow Hypographers generalize about us.Look you do a great job- but relax a bit. Don't get defensive. We all appreciate what you do, I for one, would not be here if the forum was not moderated. PSHey I have just passed 2,000 posts Do I get a prize? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imaplanck. Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 I have been on many forum sites and the ones I like least seem to be the big ones with a lot of members and mods. Now, I will admit, this one is not the worst, trust me. But it is also not the best. I came here because it seemed very welcoming and friendly. I agree with almost all the rules for this board. I won't lie. No porn, be respectful, etc. However, I do not agree with the little picky things. This includes the no re-posting existing topics. I don't see the point. I mean, you have to reply to a topic that has been dead for 6 months or more? You have to do a search for every new topic you make? I am surprised that so many of you stay on these sites like this. I get tired of doing searches all the time and if I screw up, having a mod post links to existing topics or having them closed! I understand that you most likely have a reason for it. However, I believe I can overcome that reason here: Members whine and complain about it. I know they do. And I am sure I am not the only one who does. It gets annoying to post a really cool topic and have it closed! People aren't going to reply to an existing topic as they would to a new one. New topics are more attractive and exciting. New topics open a new discussion idea. If I post what I want on an existing topic, people will say "hey! I remember this topic. I'll post something." This "something" may be a reply to me, someone else, or just a thought of his or her own that has nothing to do with my post. When a new topic is posted, it naturally calls for a new reply. New topics, even similar to existing ones, are askng for a completely new conversation and replies to that specific post. New members come on constantly and some members don't return. Who is going to want to reply to a thread that has been made by a member who never comes on anymore. Those theads are dead and some can never be brought back to life even if a new post is made. A lot of times no one replies. In other words, if I reply to an existing thread from a year ago, it is more likely that I won't get replies than if I created a new one. There is no big deal in making a thread similar to one of months or even years ago! It hurts no one, it causes no harm. It only angers moderators for a reason unknown. I was recently asked to edit my signture because it had a link to my forum site on it. I was told it was so that people won't be drawn away from this site. Ok, fair enough, but would it really do so? This site is enormous! Pleanty of members. I highly doubt it would draw people away! Besides, websites advertse on websites all the time. I put the link in my sig, not to draw people away from here, but to have them give mine a look. They can be members of both if they wish. It does not matter. Advertising goes hand in hand. Why not have a deal where if you want a link in your signature, you need to link back to here on your site? It's really not that big of a deal and I think it is taken far too seriously. This site would be a lot better if I was not walking on eggshells, hoping that I won't get in trouble. I bet that a lot of people feel this way but don't show it. I have my own site to worry about and spend time on rather than wasting it on this floor of eggshells. I do not feel comfortable here anymore. I realize that this board is no different than the general message board. I find the new topic policy everywhere. What I said above goes for all of them. From seeing, disagreeing and feeling mistreated by moderators throughout the web, I have come to follow a new and different policy for board rules as an administrator of Bio Freaks United. Moderators jobs are to keep things in order: move topics when needed, keep spam/porn out and delete offensive posts. There is no need for pickiness. The little things should be enforced as they are. My advice to all forum administrators and moderators: The board is about keeping your members happy. Like any business, treat the costomer as best you can. What they want is what keeps them buying from you. A message board is no different. Keep members by acting in their favor. When a complaint is posted, such as this, take it into consideration because one member could easily be speaking for many. You do not want to lose members and/or have them feel uncomfortable! Overall, pickiness is not needed and not favored. It causes people to complain and do more work to post a new topic. It has more negative effects than positive ones. I strongly advise that it be vanished from here and other forum websites! Yes it is ridiculous. I made a comment about how bad a Mod I would ever make on a forum, in jest. Next thing I was jumped upon with the: 'We expect all members to be good members, dont you know?':naughty: and subsequently banned for a day for what I can only assume was a failure to suck up to this totally uncalled for warning, in favour of continuing a lighthearted manner. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qfwfq Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Just for the sake of being picky Imaplanck, we also discourage quoting a whole, long post when there's no point in it and it only requires needless scrolling. Anything wrong with horse sense? (And hosting space isn't free either.) I get tired of doing searches all the time...A case when it's especially good to search first is before starting a new thread to ask a question. Often you can find the same question already answered, :) without even having to wait for someone to bother replying. If you find answers but feel you're still missing something, bumping the old thread back up can allow you to query more specifically to what you don't get. Also, bumping a thread back up doesn't necessarily require the same people to be around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfiniteNow Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Yes it is ridiculous. I made a comment about how bad a Mod I would ever make on a forum, in jest. Next thing I was jumped upon with the: 'We expect all members to be good members, dont you know?':naughty: and subsequently banned for a day for what I can only assume was a failure to suck up to this totally uncalled for warning, in favour of continuing a lighthearted manner. :) For those who appreciate the context of an action, you can see here that we were complying with the user's direct request... :) http://hypography.com/forums/tutorials-how-tos/10231-ummm-how-do-i-become-hypography.html#post158179 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zythryn Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Yes it is ridiculous. I made a comment about how bad a Mod I would ever make on a forum, in jest. Next thing I was jumped upon with the: 'We expect all members to be good members, dont you know?':naughty: and subsequently banned for a day for what I can only assume was a failure to suck up to this totally uncalled for warning, in favour of continuing a lighthearted manner. :) Aha, so you can have a sense of humor but the mods can't:doh: They did ask if you should be banned, and you said sure:shrug: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zythryn Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 As for the original poster. I disagree with you. The mods have been exceptional and are some of the few I have found on the internet that will admit error if an error is made.They also do a great job keeping the site spam-free and from descending into chaos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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